The RNG is killing this game (for me)

[Gaidax]

If you have received your BiS items after just a few weeks you have been very lucky. I have people in my guild who have srsly wasted several houndreds of pearls and still havent got the item they were looking for.

Even if they do get the item, the rewarding feeling for getting good gear is gone, opening houndreds of loot boxes with shit and that number 101 loot box finally gives you your item, its gambling and i argue its bad for the game.

They will get it, because it's literally inevitable at the rate you can gather targeted benthic tokens. Heck if they would get off their socket perch they climbed, they'd get all items they want in literally 3 days.

But of course that's not purple enough as I said, so (the horror) they may need a couple of weeks to get fully decked into everything they want. Call the waaaambulance.

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I DONT NEED BIS.

Am I too old for internet?

Well then what's the issue? If you don't want socket then you can get benthic item you want in a day. Or what, maybe there is no issue then after all?

[iinverse]

I DONT NEED BIS.

Am I too old for internet?

If you do not need BiS, why do you bother about gear anyway?
You'll have enough of it for casual content anyway by doing quests/rep/lfr.

[Gaidax]

If you do not need BiS, why do you bother about gear anyway?
You'll have enough of it for casual content anyway by doing quests/rep/lfr.

Because apparently if it's only HC raiding gear level from manapearl WQs, then it's not good enough. /shrug

Go figure. People got pampered to the point they legit lost all grip on reality.

[InTheEnd]

Very easy solution: just unsubscribe. You won't have to worry about any gear issues or any other drama associated with the game. Do it, it will feel good.

[iinverse]

Because apparently if it's only HC raiding gear level from manapearl WQs, then it's not good enough. /shrug

Go figure.

Oh, you're right! Every casual needs mythic level gear!


UPD. Talking about benthic gear... some pieces, if procced correctly (damage effect+socket) can outperform even mythic gear from EP.

[Gaidax]

UPD. Talking about benthic gear... some pieces, if procced correctly (damage effect+socket) can outperform even mythic gear from EP.

But you need to farm pearls for several days and buy two dozens of tokens to get that item, UNACCEPTABLE. Give it to me now, IMMEDIATELY.

How can I do my 5 rat's asses WQs and Normal Sivara without items comparable to WF 455 gear???

[iinverse]

But you need to farm pearls for several days and buy two dozens of tokens to get that item, UNACCEPTABLE. Give it to me now, IMMEDIATELY. How can I do my 5 rat's asses WQs and Normal Sivara without items comparable to WF 455 gear?

5 pearls for each reroll... UMPOSSIBRU!

[Doffen]

I think you don't get that the fact there are many chances to get high ilvl gear is not the problem ( because you don't have any grip on the real item you would like to have ).

Because I didn't say anything about getting high ilvl gear, but gear in general. That's the issue, not if it's high itemlevel or anything, we have had examples of that since early years of the game. You can easily see what gear you get in raids and dungeons, that's not randomized. What's random is if it drops, but that's not the issue either, that's just rng working like it should. If you want that trinket, you can get it by doing the content that rewards it. Nowadays you can be lucky to get it from another source too, like timewalking or the dungeon-event(weekly quest). Won't help much for a mythic raider, but for most people it is another, if tiny source of that raid-gear.

So what do you really mean with that, you don't have any grip on the real item you would want to have? That you can't target World Quest gear? Warfont gear? Conquest gear? The fact that there is to much gear from too many sources is the real issue, not the forging. It's collateral damage if you like, to prevent people to get to a point where they can't upgrade their character anymore. Like I wrote before, vanilla/TBC didn't have that issue as much since getting enough gear wasn't an issue, now it is. Even if WotLK we had minor issues with this, and it has gotten to a point where it's now becoming an overkill, it's just too much gear and some of it are indeed randomized.

That you don't get gear with the stats you don't want has been an "issue" throughout the whole game. Vanilla had shit itemization, it got better with the years to come. Now it's seen as an issue because people feel like they get overloaded with useless gear, and that's fair, but among those 5 epics a day, one is more likely to be what you want, or close to it.

[Axxil]

Sounds like you have a bad case of "millennials wanting instant gratification."

[Niwes]

i agree to OP in almost 90% or so. whatever ppl may think about. i just have the same feelings, even with manapearls and titan residuum. and i play this game, without any interruption (yes, i got that bronce orc statue from blizz), since 14 years.

i do not know what that means, but i just had to post it.

[Gatto]

That you don't get gear with the stats you don't want has been an "issue" throughout the whole game. Vanilla had shit itemization, it got better with the years to come. Now it's seen as an issue because people feel like they get overloaded with useless gear, and that's fair, but among those 5 epics a day, one is more likely to be what you want, or close to it.

On the one hand, I can agree with you.
But on the other hand, they put stuff to slow us, by simply preventing trades.

1) Can't trade items with a friend, if the item I dropped has a higher ilvl than the one I have ( Blizzard forces us to take the item, even if it would have been top for a friend ).

2) Can't trade bonus roll ( as on point 1, we are forced to take an item which could be useful to others )

3) Profession crafts ( we can craft, but only for ourselves ).

So yeah, since vanilla there have been improvements indeed, but still we are forced for no reasons.

ps: I forget to add "You are not able to buy specific azerite pieces from vendor but capped ilvl". this sucks, since the traits are mandatory.

[tehealadin]

It does get frustrating at times. I love that weekly chest loot. It picks your highest ilvl slot then generates an item for that slot. No titanforge? Better luck next week.

[tikcol]

I DONT NEED BIS.

Am I too old for internet?

You're wasting your time. You're dealing with people so far into Blizzard's ass that they allegedly, with a straight face, say more RNG is in fact less RNG.

Benthic gear is the biggest slot machine in the expansion, everything besides the gear slot is pure RNG. You'll have to wait for Classic because I can only see them doubling down on this to hook these people even further into their big casino of a game.

[d00mh4cker]

You're wasting your time. You're dealing with people so far into Blizzard's ass that they allegedly, with a straight face, say more RNG is in fact less RNG.

Benthic gear is the biggest slot machine in the expansion, everything besides the gear slot is pure RNG. You'll have to wait for Classic because I can only see them doubling down on this to hook these people even further into their big casino of a game.

Thanks dude, my god i thought I was going to lose it.

[Doffen]

On the one hand, I can agree with you.
But on the other hand, they put stuff to slow us, by simply preventing trades.

1) Can't trade items with a friend, if the item I dropped has a higher ilvl than the one I have ( Blizzard forces us to take the item, even if it would have been top for a friend ).

Wrote so in a previous post as well, strongly agree with this. Seeing how strong secondaries still are, getting that higher itemlevel doesn't ensure you getting an upgrade, so to not being able to trade that item is silly. Either remove it, or make it so you can trade it up to like 15 itemlevel above or so at least.

2) Can't trade bonus roll ( as on point 1, we are forced to take an item which could be useful to others )

Agree a bit less on this, seeing it being a bit of a single player move so you can keep something for yourself, but I wouldn't mind if they made it so that you could trade these. Making it so that it could be tradeable in pure guildruns, but not in pugs would be a decent change. But I am in a guild raiding so I am biased here.

3) Profession crafts ( we can craft, but only for ourselves ).

Definitely, I would love the TBC-profession system back, or WotLK for that matter. It was okay in Legion overall with obliterum and stuff, but in BfA.. Let's be honest, it's bullshit.

So yeah, since vanilla there have been improvements indeed, but still we are forced for no reasons.

I might be a tad softer than you on this one, but as you can see, even though we might disagree about the big picture, I think we agree somewhat on most anyway. I hope they go back a bit on gear in the next expansion, we are getting overloaded with gear, and that's not all good. Not for me at least. More strive to get to the point you want is something I want back.

[Steelcryo]

You're missing the fuck out of OPs argument, like all of it. Are you people THAT uneducated or THAT much unwilling to read and understand short texts?!It's absurd! At the very least it looks like you've never played the game back in the day when WoW was an actual RPG game unlike current RNG hell.

That's a lot of anger you have, maybe talk to someone about it? As for being uneducated or unwilling to read, I'm not the one making guesses about other people. I've played since Classic, you also missed my other post where I stated back in the day the only RNG you had to deal with was whether an item dropped or not. So next time you decide to berate someone and insult them, make sure you actually have your facts straight and don't make yourself look like a complete moron.

[Gaidax]

You're wasting your time. You're dealing with people so far into Blizzard's ass that they allegedly, with a straight face, say more RNG is in fact less RNG.

Benthic gear is the biggest slot machine in the expansion, everything besides the gear slot is pure RNG. You'll have to wait for Classic because I can only see them doubling down on this to hook these people even further into their big casino of a game.

People play this game for many years. It does not matter what kind of nonsense you sprout, reality is that gearing up has NEVER been faster and in 8.2 it's cranked up even more.

As I said - more is more. The sheer volumes of gear thrown at people beat out any RNG added to sustain the whole thing. Getting decked into strong items is legitimately a MUCH faster process than it ever was and double so for casual players, who by all rights would not even have anything even close to this back in the old days.


Why the fact that casual players can literally get decked in a full HC grade gear by literally playing solo in 8.2 is already unprecedented level of catering there. You literally don't need to do ANY group content and you are guaranteed to have 425 ilvl or close to that mid-patch.

And what's even more hilarious - there is legitimately no RNG about because it's plain token gear.

At this point you have people like OP complain: "but durr it's not bleeding edge totally 100% optimized gear". Shit, son, that's terrible there.


And you know what? I do in fact agree that this shit needs changing, because this is ridiculous. Why, in fact, I'm all for getting back to TBC gearing scheme - you know all of it. So that people will chill and get down to earth a tad and understand a value of what they get now a bit more.

[GnomeEU]

It's the reason I stopped playing too. It took me 4 weeks to finally get groups for m10 dungeons and then I get shit gear many times in a row.

[Gaidax]

It's the reason I stopped playing too. It took me 4 weeks to finally get groups for m10 dungeons and then I get shit gear many times in a row.

Reminds me how in TBC, despite being raider, I had blue pieces in quite a few slots months into TBC. Somehow it was fine and people like OP want that back.

Yet apparently it's also a tragedy you don't get optimal gear in 4 weeks. OooOOooOOOooo. Decide please.

[d00mh4cker]

People play this game for many years. It does not matter what kind of nonsense you sprout, reality is that gearing up has NEVER been faster and in 8.2 it's cranked up even more.

As I said - more is more. The sheer volumes of gear thrown at people beat out any RNG added to sustain the whole thing. Getting decked into strong items is legitimately a MUCH faster process than it ever was and double so for casual players, who by all rights would not even have anything even close to this back in the old days.


Why the fact that casual players can literally get decked in a full HC grade gear by literally playing solo in 8.2 is already unprecedented level of catering there. You literally don't need to do ANY group content and you are guaranteed to have 425 ilvl or close to that mid-patch.

And what's even more hilarious - there is legitimately no RNG about because it's plain token gear.

At this point you have people like OP complain: "but durr it's not bleeding edge totally 100% optimized gear". Shit, son, that's terrible there.

But you misunderstood. Ive been playing since classic beta. Except for early TBC. I want less gear, much less gear. But when I do get gear I want it to be good, not instantly sold to npc or disenchanted because it sucked. The amount of gear thrown on you thats literally shit, it's insane.

The feeling of getting an upgrade from purchasing benthic f.e (it's loot boxes with another name) is not good. You are in NO control what so ever except for raiding, thats the only time you know what the boss can drop and what stats it has, but then you have warforged and titanforged by just it's existence make it feel like your playing the lottery. You get that item you want but you know that RNG could improve it a bit more, its shit.

Im not talking about getting the best gear easy. I want less gear, much much much less gear, but I want to be in control, I want to have goal to work towards. Not farming 400 mana pearls, open loot boxes and hope for the best.