Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[shimerra]

I see this argument a lot, and it's largely wrong. This is absolutely the reason the 3/5ths compromise exists, to be sure, but it also has little to do with why the electoral college exists. Any connections to slavery are largely a result of how slavery was a major consideration in how the systems of government as a whole were structured and were not the primary arguments for the Electoral College in particular. Noxx79 largely has the right of it, here, as Alexander Hamilton states in The Federalist 68:

Yeah Alexander and most of the founders loathed the idea of direct democracy. But the end result was the entire constitution was one giant appeasement to slaveholders which resulted in a distorted congressional and therefore EC representation.

As far as I'm concerned the statement still stands easily.

[Kallisto]

..I take it you dont understand how the College works or why it exists.

It exists to keep the slave states happy because they had numbers of slaves who wouldn't have counted towards the election result. So the founders in their infinite stupidity bowed to them to the point Pre Civil war Virginia basically decided the winner of every election and South Carolina never allowed people to vote for the president prior to the civil war.

Today it's not fit for purpose

[Breccia]

Trump's threat to investigate the investigators takes a misstep today. By which I mean, trips and knocks out some of its teeth.

DOJ chooses not to prosecute Comey for leaking on the grounds of...actually you'll like this.

in part because they didn't believe there was evidence to show Comey knew and intended to violate laws on handling classified information

That's right, rabid fanbase. Turns out, if Trump gets to hide behind ignorance is an excuse, it applies to everyone else, too.

Oh, and it wasn't a close call, either.

[cubby]

Trump's threat to investigate the investigators takes a misstep today. By which I mean, trips and knocks out some of its teeth.

DOJ chooses not to prosecute Comey for leaking on the grounds of...actually you'll like this.



That's right, rabid fanbase. Turns out, if Trump gets to hide behind ignorance is an excuse, it applies to everyone else, too.

Oh, and it wasn't a close call, either.

It's actually even worse. The evidence in question wasn't classified at the time Comey decided to disseminate it. This upcoming Comey issue is going to be grist for the far right insanity propaganda mill. They'll ignore all the facts and just focus on "both sides" and "Comey was guilty we just chose the higher road" bullshit.

[Breccia]

"Comey was guilty we just chose the higher road" .

At which point, you and I will drag out Trump's TOTAL EXONORATION and shove it down their throats.

[cubby]

At which point, you and I will drag out Trump's TOTAL EXONORATION and shove it down their throats.

Indeed, I'll bring the beer (whiskey actually).

Seriously though, the write up on this entire ridiculousness is horrific. It's basically Trump's personal attorney Attorney General and IG creating a big mass of nothing, based on information that was classified at the lowest level after Comey released it (I wonder why it was classified ) and then, based on that, the IG recommending that Comey be prosecuted but the AG saying they will choose not to.

The Trumpkins will read "both sides leaked!" and "Comey helped Clinton (lose?)!" while reality tells us there was never any thing wrong with Comey's actions to begin with - which we already knew.

At least Trump finally got his witch hunt.

[Aehl]

It exists to keep the slave states happy because they had numbers of slaves who wouldn't have counted towards the election result. So the founders in their infinite stupidity bowed to them to the point Pre Civil war Virginia basically decided the winner of every election and South Carolina never allowed people to vote for the president prior to the civil war.

Today it's not fit for purpose

Remove the EC, user the popular vote, and a few states pick the President for eternity.

Then again thats why you want it removed. It would be SO much easier if there werent any pesky opponents and California picked the President for eternity.....LMAO

Dream on.

Even if you were able to get it onto the table, 38 of the 50 legislatures would never agree.

[Noxx79]

Remove the EC, user the popular vote, and a few states pick the President for eternity.

Then again thats why you want it removed. It would be SO much easier if there werent any pesky opponents and California picked the President for eternity.....LMAO

Dream on.

Even if you were able to get it onto the table, 38 of the 50 legislatures would never agree.

You know California has a large number of conservative voters. As does NY.

Lmao, it’s funny when people defend disenfranchisement. Especially when it’s their own.

[We are covfefe]

Remove the EC, user the popular vote, and a few states pick the President for eternity.

Then again thats why you want it removed. It would be SO much easier if there werent any pesky opponents and California picked the President for eternity.....LMAO

Dream on.

Even if you were able to get it onto the table, 38 of the 50 legislatures would never agree.

The EC is an outdated concept and has been for hundreds of years. If you don't live in swing states your votes don't even matter. Guess people in sold blue/red states don't exist and therefore don't matter. Must suck to live in one of those states as the minority party.

[Muzjhath]

Remove the EC, user the popular vote, and a few states pick the President for eternity.

Then again thats why you want it removed. It would be SO much easier if there werent any pesky opponents and California picked the President for eternity.....LMAO

Dream on.

Even if you were able to get it onto the table, 38 of the 50 legislatures would never agree.

Remove the EC, use the popular vote, and more states than before picks the popular vote. And those states will probably have more people in them than before.
Keep the EC and a few states pick the President.

In either system campaigning only in LA, Chicago, NY and Dallas won't win you the election as it's to small a population in those places. However I'm sure that the GOP would love to get 6 million votes out of California. Votes that today are useless in the presidential election.

[Bodakane]

Remove the EC, user the popular vote, and a few states pick the President for eternity.

Then again thats why you want it removed. It would be SO much easier if there werent any pesky opponents and California picked the President for eternity.....LMAO

Dream on.

Even if you were able to get it onto the table, 38 of the 50 legislatures would never agree.

Yeah, fuck letting the people decide.

All the EC does, is make small town people more powerful than other people. Farmer Joe's vote shouldn't carry more weight than Banker Bob's. They should be equal.

But the truth of the matter is that you, like all conservatives, will argue whatever side of an issue you need to, to get what you want. If the EC hurt your agenda, you'd be against it. Conservatives, no longer have morals or ethics.

[Ghostpanther]

Remove the EC, user the popular vote, and a few states pick the President for eternity.

Then again thats why you want it removed. It would be SO much easier if there werent any pesky opponents and California picked the President for eternity.....LMAO

Dream on.

Even if you were able to get it onto the table, 38 of the 50 legislatures would never agree.

I agree. It is not going to happen in the US and for good reasons as you pointed out. It is a pipe dream for the left.

And at least this thread seems to have switched from the dead Mueller investigation to another topic.

[Daelak]

Remove the EC, user the popular vote, and a few states pick the President for eternity.

Then again thats why you want it removed. It would be SO much easier if there werent any pesky opponents and California picked the President for eternity.....LMAO

Dream on.

Even if you were able to get it onto the table, 38 of the 50 legislatures would never agree.

This doesnt even make sense when you tally up the total number of eligible voters.

[Shalcker]

Yeah, fuck letting the people decide.

All the EC does, is make small town people more powerful than other people. Farmer Joe's vote shouldn't carry more weight than Banker Bob's. They should be equal.

Only as long as you would agree that their wealth should be equal as well.

Otherwise Banker Bob would have outsized influence overall (and as studies show things like personal campaign contributions do influence politics), and different "voting weight" could be perfect equalizer for things that really shouldn't depend on wealth.

[Blur4stuff]

When Texas turns blue and Florida becomes reliably blue republicans will suddenly support abolishing the EC. It will happen, just a matter of how soon. Texas going blue in 2020 is certainly a possibility. Another decade from now there's gonna be a lot fewer baby boomers.

All of these nonsense arguments they make supporting the EC will suddenly vanish. Kind of like their moral fiber when they started supporting Trump.

[Poopymonster]

When Texas turns blue and Florida becomes reliably blue republicans will suddenly support abolishing the EC. It will happen, just a matter of how soon. Texas going blue in 2020 is certainly a possibility. Another decade from now there's gonna be a lot fewer baby boomers.

All of these nonsense arguments they make supporting the EC will suddenly vanish. Kind of like their moral fiber when they started supporting Trump.

They have to do it. They believe you have to carry a baby to full term regardless of anything.

[Aehl]

Only as long as you would agree that their wealth should be equal as well.

Otherwise Banker Bob would have outsized influence overall (and as studies show things like personal campaign contributions do influence politics), and different "voting weight" could be perfect equalizer for things that really shouldn't depend on wealth.

Ah yes the poiitics of envy:

What is a socialist
One who has yearnings
For equal division of unequal earnings
Idler or lazy they yell and they holler
To fork out their dime and pocket your dollar

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When Texas turns blue and Florida becomes reliably blue

Martians will invade and the ICQ flower will turn purple with pink polka dots.

Dream on.

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This doesnt even make sense when you tally up the total number of eligible voters.

The EC exists for one main reason: population density. Otherwise three states would elect the President forever. Not happening and we both know why.

In any case its all moot..this thread should die . There aint no more investigation, Mueller aint got jack shit, no collusion no nothing.
A nothingburger...which is what I said it would be.

What was that thread title? Oh yeah.

"We are taking your President from you"

That didnt age well..did it?

LMAO

Small fact, folks, the more the Dems lurch to the left, the more they embrace the lunatics, the more they gaurantee President Trump will be re elected.

The Democrats are now a party where all 10 candidates on stage raised their hands to support health services for illegal immigrants. As recently as 2016, Hillary Clinton drew flak for not having fully embraced a New York plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. And no one aggressively challenged Julian Castro when he called for decriminalizing illegal border crossings.

Does anyone here really think this WONT antagonise voters? Allowing ILLEGALS to be able to vote when they arent citizens?\

Impeachment? Go right ahead..watch it backfire. But..believe what you will. Wont change anything. Just remember that back in 2016, the polls all said Clinton would be anointed...and they were all wrong. I see the same polls now say "Trump is unpopular"...theres only one poll that matters.

It will be next year in November.

Calling it now, President Trump will be re elected.

[Shalcker]

Ah yes the poiitics of envy:

What is a socialist
One who has yearnings
For equal division of unequal earnings
Idler or lazy they yell and they holler
To fork out their dime and pocket your dollar

Instead of popular vote modern US oligarchy could make "voting with your dollar" literal. All those laws removing caps certainly look like move in that direction.

And that voting option would also see Hillary winning (based on total campaign contributions), just like popular vote.

[Daelak]

Ah yes the poiitics of envy:

What is a socialist
One who has yearnings
For equal division of unequal earnings
Idler or lazy they yell and they holler
To fork out their dime and pocket your dollar

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Martians will invade and the ICQ flower will turn purple with pink polka dots.

Dream on.

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The EC exists for one main reason: population density. Otherwise three states would elect the President forever. Not happening and we both know why.

In any case its all moot..this thread should die . There aint no more investigation, Mueller aint got jack shit, no collusion no nothing.
A nothingburger...which is what I said it would be.

What was that thread title? Oh yeah.

"We are taking your President from you"

That didnt age well..did it?

LMAO

Small fact, folks, the more the Dems lurch to the left, the more they embrace the lunatics, the more they gaurantee President Trump will be re elected.

The Democrats are now a party where all 10 candidates on stage raised their hands to support health services for illegal immigrants. As recently as 2016, Hillary Clinton drew flak for not having fully embraced a New York plan to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. And no one aggressively challenged Julian Castro when he called for decriminalizing illegal border crossings.

Does anyone here really think this WONT antagonise voters? Allowing ILLEGALS to be able to vote when they arent citizens?\

Impeachment? Go right ahead..watch it backfire. But..believe what you will. Wont change anything. Just remember that back in 2016, the polls all said Clinton would be anointed...and they were all wrong. I see the same polls now say "Trump is unpopular"...theres only one poll that matters.

It will be next year in November.

Calling it now, President Trump will be re elected.

You still aren't understanding. If you as a presidential candidate even won ALL the votes of EVERY voter in California, New York, and Texas, you would wind up with only 22% of the total voting population in the US. Your campaign would crash and burn. Its simple addition.

[unfilteredJW]

You still aren't understanding. If you as a presidential candidate even won ALL the votes of EVERY voter in California, New York, and Texas, you would wind up with only 22% of the total voting population in the US. Your campaign would crash and burn. Its simple addition.

Dude is complaining about giving medical care to people. Math is probably tough as well.