Originally Posted by
Zulkhan
That being said, we still don't know for sure what Forsaken think about this matter or if the general populace even know about this, nor if this "one case scenario" (which is actually not, since Sylvanas' use of the undead has become slightly more "opportunistic" even before such event) it's going to repeat itself and, consequently, raise more and more concerns at every iteration.
Well, to me those values are simple enough to be understood quite easily by everyone. But of course, simple and fundamental values can be easily twisted at anyone's convenience. Even though, I must say, Sylvanas hasn't even attempted to argue whether Baine's take of the "Forsaken values" was wrong, she conveniently ignored the matter altogether and simply branded Baine a traitor (legitimately so, since Baine and Zelling indeed betrayed Sylvanas, but that's besides the point).
I don't think that first or second generation of Forsaken matter in this situation, at all. In fact, the concept of "free will" elaborated into something akin to "free choice" has been precisely established with the second generation, when the Val'kyr started to create undead, giving them first the chance to embrace undeath or die permanently and then the possibility to join the Forsaken or just do the fuck they wanted to do (as long "what they wanted to do" didn't represent a threat to the Forsaken themselves). As a consequence, the undead in question becoming or not becoming Forsaken is an absolutely irrelevant matter, since the concept of "free will" is granted to them regardless.
Derek represents an undeniable unprecedented case, since the reason why he didn't join the Forsaken is not because he refused it, it's because he wasn't allowed to choose to begin with; the only purpose of his existence as an undead was to become a weapon and for that purpose he has been mentally conditioned so that he would fulfill that purpose alone. It's not direct, will-bending mind control, it's not what the Lich King did but the ultimate purpose of Derek's existence was precisely the same of the undead under the Lich King's control; following a roundabout way doesn't change the ultimate, final result. At all.