China building 4 nuclear powered aircraft carriers

[Kokolums]

https://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-navy-5572501/

China plans to build four nuclear-powered aircraft carriers by 2035 and develop new carrier-based fighter jets as Beijing tries to boost its naval prowess and catch up with the powerful US Navy, a media report Wednesday quoted Chinese military experts as saying.

The reason this is important is that almost every nation has conventionally-powered aircraft carriers if they have them at all, which are great for patrolling waters around the nation but not much else. The ONLY reason to build nuclear-powered aircraft carriers is if you plan on force projection around the globe. With China constructing an entire fleet of them, its telling you they plan on displacing the US as the world superpower. They firmly believe the US is falling apart. This construction plan is a tell.

[Thekri]

Not sure how you derived "The US is falling apart" from that. Not really the point here. Anyway we just had a thread on Chinese carriers less then a weak ago, perhaps you should read through that one. There is nothing new about this development, because it isn't really a development. China has intent to build Nuclear Carriers, has had for decades. They might have already laid one down, but it won't be ready before the later 2020s at the earliest. Warships tend to get canceled and scrapped during construction a lot, so it all depends on how much cash China is willing to sink into their navy. Historically their Army has been much more politically powerful, and views major Naval spending as a threat to their own budget.

[Machismo]

Not sure how you derived "The US is falling apart" from that. Not really the point here. Anyway we just had a thread on Chinese carriers less then a weak ago, perhaps you should read through that one. There is nothing new about this development, because it isn't really a development. China has intent to build Nuclear Carriers, has had for decades. They might have already laid one down, but it won't be ready before the later 2020s at the earliest. Warships tend to get canceled and scrapped during construction a lot, so it all depends on how much cash China is willing to sink into their navy. Historically their Army has been much more politically powerful, and views major Naval spending as a threat to their own budget.

This is all part of his plot to sell an agenda of a civil war, with Russia and China invading the United States to join up with the alt-righters to help push neo-Nazism.

[ifrah]

Just bolstering their presence around the Asian waters to further underline their opinion how everything touched by someone ethnically Chinese in any part of the human history belongs to communist China.

[Kellhound]

https://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-navy-5572501/

China plans to build four nuclear-powered aircraft carriers by 2035 and develop new carrier-based fighter jets as Beijing tries to boost its naval prowess and catch up with the powerful US Navy, a media report Wednesday quoted Chinese military experts as saying.

The reason this is important is that almost every nation has conventionally-powered aircraft carriers if they have them at all, which are great for patrolling waters around the nation but not much else. The ONLY reason to build nuclear-powered aircraft carriers is if you plan on force projection around the globe. With China constructing an entire fleet of them, its telling you they plan on displacing the US as the world superpower. They firmly believe the US is falling apart. This construction plan is a tell.

France has a nuclear powered CATOBAR carrier. The US built conventional carriers until 1968 and the last one was only retired 10 years ago. The use of nuclear power is not a requirement for force projection. A carrier (as well as its escorts) has to be continually resupplied with food, parts, jet fuel, ordnance, etc. So the logistics advantage of a CVN over a CV is not as great as you might think.

And China will still be behind the US in 2035, as we will have 5-6 Nimitz and 5 Ford class CVNs....

[Thekri]

France has a nuclear powered CATOBAR carrier. The US built conventional carriers until 1968 and the last one was only retired 10 years ago. The use of nuclear power is not a requirement for force projection. A carrier (as well as its escorts) has to be continually resupplied with food, parts, jet fuel, ordnance, etc. So the logistics advantage of a CVN over a CV is not as great as you might think.

I don't think he cares. Only the last three sentences of his post matter to him, and those are the ones he just made up in the first place. 95% of the people that like to make political points based on military technology have zero idea what they are talking about, and have no interest in learning.

[Kellhound]

I don't think he cares. Only the last three sentences of his post matter to him, and those are the ones he just made up in the first place. 95% of the people that like to make political points based on military technology have zero idea what they are talking about, and have no interest in learning.

Usually my answers are not aimed at the writer of the post, but the readers of the thread.

[Thekri]

Usually my answers are not aimed at the writer of the post, but the readers of the thread.

Yeah, same here. But since we just talked about Chinese Carriers last week, I am inclined to just let this thread die, since it doesn't have a point.

[Kokolums]

This is all part of his plot to sell an agenda of a civil war, with Russia and China invading the United States to join up with the alt-righters to help push neo-Nazism.

"sell an agenda of civil war". what does that even mean exactly? How do I profit from that?

I think the most likely scenario here is that by 2030, a nuclear war has taken place, most of the US is nuked, the vast majority of humans on Earth are dead, the environment is screwed, and the survivors limp on into an uncertain future. I think the only way to avoid that is for trust to be rebuilt in the US. And trust specifically has been lost among the right wing. So we need to make sure we rebuild trust among right wingers before this happens. But there's very little time and no-one is doing anything to stop it.

I'm just interested in surviving. I think I'll just die in one of the nuclear bombs though.

[Dontrike]

"sell an agenda of civil war". what does that even mean exactly? How do I profit from that?

You don't profit from it, but you certainly love to push the civil war angle to n new every post you write.

[smityx]

I've been saying for years it's only a matter of time before there's a Chinese carrier task force sitting 16 miles off the coast of DC/Virginia just inside international waters.

[Kellhound]

I've been saying for years it's only a matter of time before there's a Chinese carrier task force sitting 16 miles off the coast of DC/Virginia just inside international waters.

With lots of nice pictures from the periscopes of SSNs that have been making continuous attack runs on it. Plus all of the fun the F/A-18s out of NAS Oceana would have running practice attack runs on the ships....

Carriers to not pose the threat to the US they do to most countries. They dont even pose a threat to China proper.

[smityx]

Actual military threats no. But PR and show of force/power yes. Hell Russia has to tow it's one carrier wherever it needs to be. Chine will soon have deep water task forces off both coasts of the US. In the south China seas and off the coasts of Africa to protect it's current "resource acquisitions" there.

[Machismo]

"sell an agenda of civil war". what does that even mean exactly? How do I profit from that?

I think the most likely scenario here is that by 2030, a nuclear war has taken place, most of the US is nuked, the vast majority of humans on Earth are dead, the environment is screwed, and the survivors limp on into an uncertain future. I think the only way to avoid that is for trust to be rebuilt in the US. And trust specifically has been lost among the right wing. So we need to make sure we rebuild trust among right wingers before this happens. But there's very little time and no-one is doing anything to stop it.

I'm just interested in surviving. I think I'll just die in one of the nuclear bombs though.

You literally proved my point in your comment, thanks.

And no, pandering to racists and neo-Nazis is not the solution.

[Kellhound]

Actual military threats no. But PR and show of force/power yes. Hell Russia has to tow it's one carrier wherever it needs to be. Chine will soon have deep water task forces off both coasts of the US. In the south China seas and off the coasts of Africa to protect it's current "resource acquisitions" there.

Very unlikely. They are not going to waste naval power by going into the Western Atlantic on anything like a regular basis. Even 4 new CVNs could not support that.

[Azadina]

"sell an agenda of civil war". what does that even mean exactly? How do I profit from that?

I think the most likely scenario here is that by 2030, a nuclear war has taken place, most of the US is nuked, the vast majority of humans on Earth are dead, the environment is screwed, and the survivors limp on into an uncertain future. I think the only way to avoid that is for trust to be rebuilt in the US. And trust specifically has been lost among the right wing. So we need to make sure we rebuild trust among right wingers before this happens. But there's very little time and no-one is doing anything to stop it.

I'm just interested in surviving. I think I'll just die in one of the nuclear bombs though.

You won't. Tell you what, if the extremely unlikely happens, that your civil war and nuclear holocaust masturbation fantasies come true and you initially survive, then I'll promise you that I'll see to it personally. Now you may stop holocaust fantasies, as you can be assured that either way you'd be done. Sound good enough?

[jeezusisacasual]

"sell an agenda of civil war". what does that even mean exactly? How do I profit from that?

I think the most likely scenario here is that by 2030, a nuclear war has taken place, most of the US is nuked, the vast majority of humans on Earth are dead, the environment is screwed, and the survivors limp on into an uncertain future. I think the only way to avoid that is for trust to be rebuilt in the US. And trust specifically has been lost among the right wing. So we need to make sure we rebuild trust among right wingers before this happens. But there's very little time and no-one is doing anything to stop it.

I'm just interested in surviving. I think I'll just die in one of the nuclear bombs though.

There is no civil war chances or prospects so stop with that. Unless you count domestic terrorism as acts of war by a specific side. You are also fairly sure of Nuclear war which again has no prospect either as none of the powers have the combination of ability to deploy those weapons to begin with excluding the US. The entire goal of starving the Chinese economy is to remove them from having the ability to do so and Russia is not a real player either. Its also impossible to rebuild trust with groups that think specific sections of the nation should be removed. My father served in Vietnam and yet that did not stop various right wingers from calling him an evil Muslim either so the fault is on them not anyone else. This reeks of the Alex Jones bullshitery that stagnates on youtube.

[Corvus]

I thought China was claiming thats it new hypersonic carrier killer missiles had made carriers obsolete? Why would they want to build four very expensive obsolete ships then?

[Thekri]

I thought China was claiming thats it new hypersonic carrier killer missiles had made carriers obsolete? Why would they want to build four very expensive obsolete ships then?

Already covered extensively in the older thread. It is a mix of hedging bets and using them for smaller scale operations around the world. If China needs to put some pressure on Tanzania, they don't have a lot of options right now, and Tanzania won't be operating hypersonic missiles any time soon.

Russia is rebuilding the Kirov class for the same reason, and those are modern battleships in all but name. They are obsolete too, but if you don't have anything that can deal with them then obsolete doesn't mean much when they are punching you in the face from 30 miles off your coast.