Building a computer from scratch

[Tmbryant91]

Hey everyone,

It’s been awhile since I’ve been on here, or had access to a computer. I’m looking to get back into gaming but I’m also needing a computer that can support other things as well.

Budget: I would say that $2000 is my budget but I’d be willing to go slightly over. Definitely no more than $2500.

Resolution: Honestly, whichever the best for my needs would be.

Games / Settings Desired: As of now I’ll only be playing WoW. I know WoW isn’t that intense of a game but I’d like to be able to play on max setting with 60fps.

Any other intensive software or special things you do (Frequent video encoding, 3D modeling, etc): Other than gaming, I will be using this for streaming and also editing videos. I’d want something that can support both of these.

Country: USA

Parts that can be reused: I trashed my old computer so I have nothing that can be reused.

Do you need an OS? Yes

Do you need peripherals (e.g. monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc)? I’m looking for dual monitors, speakers and any suggestions for a HD camera would be helpful.

Thanks in advice for everything and hopefully I can get this within my budget!

[Kagthul]

Games / Settings Desired: As of now I’ll only be playing WoW. I know WoW isn’t that intense of a game but I’d like to be able to play on max setting with 60fps.

Just understand that even with the recent multi-core improvements, there WILL be times when you drop below 60fps. Its a lot less often than it used to be, but it will happen.

I'd say..

what do you want your performance in games OTHER than WoW to be? You can max out WoW on a pretty cheap machine (well under 1k); but i could easily spend your budget if you want it to do great in other games too.

Edit: Also, if you want the "best" streaming experience, consider using a dedicated streaming rig. With your budget you could do that, i'd think. Ill kick around a build in a dual-system case later.

Further edit:

Nevermind the dual system idea, since you need monitors. That will eat a giant hole in your budget if you want to do anything over 1080p.

[Anevers]

It's a little rushed but this should do the job. I'll post up a Ryzen 3900x and a 3700x build up when I get home from work.

It's still under budget so you can increase the storage, memory, and or upgrade to a 2080ti maybe?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pcHr9J

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($479.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS MASTER ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($279.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.99 @ Corsair)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1822.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-16 00:29 EDT-0400

Edit:
Fixed the issue with the i9

[Tmbryant91]

Just understand that even with the recent multi-core improvements, there WILL be times when you drop below 60fps. Its a lot less often than it used to be, but it will happen.

I'd say..

what do you want your performance in games OTHER than WoW to be? You can max out WoW on a pretty cheap machine (well under 1k); but i could easily spend your budget if you want it to do great in other games too.

Edit: Also, if you want the "best" streaming experience, consider using a dedicated streaming rig. With your budget you could do that, i'd think. Ill kick around a build in a dual-system case later.

Further edit:

Nevermind the dual system idea, since you need monitors. That will eat a giant hole in your budget if you want to do anything over 1080p.

Honestly, after thinking about it, I will only play WoW. I’d play everything else on a console so if it saves me money on my budget I’m all for it lol

Edit: Honestly, I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a separate system just to stream off of. Do you have an idea of how much more it’d be?

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It's a little rushed but this should do the job. I'll post up a Ryzen 3900x and a 3700x build up when I get home from work.

It's still under budget so you can increase the storage, memory, and or upgrade to a 2080ti maybe?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zZ76vn

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900 3.1 GHz 8-Core Processor ($434.90 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS MASTER ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($279.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($111.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1791.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Thank you!

[Kagthul]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BhzHV6

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($328.90 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler ($74.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($83.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($92.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($533.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Total: $2014.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I didn't include the OS - do not pay full MSRP for Windows. There are several sites where you can get cheap OEM keys for ~15$. Send me a PM if you cant find one.

I didnt include speakers because im just not enough of an audiophile to recommend good ones.

The monitors are high-refresh VA freesync panels. They are on the list of compatible monitors from nVidia, so you can enable G-sync on them.

Even with "only" an RTX 2070 SUPER, this will still do most AAA games at high/ultra settings and well over 90fps. You could step up to the RTX 2080 if you wanted for more future-proofiness, for an additional 200$.

For my money, 1440p high refresh is the sweet spot in gaming right now. Its quite a bit sharper than 1080p, but not nearly as taxing as 4k (and 4k, while it is sharper than 1440p, is not as big of a difference as going from 1440p > 4k is).

As for webcams, Logitech has several good ones that do 1080p/60, and Razer has the Kiyo. I have thee Kiyo (i got it open-box at Microcenter for half off, otherwise i'd likely have gotten the Logitech C920), and it's pretty solid, and i really like the light-ring it has built in.

I'd recommend getting a standalone mic, as well. I got a Blue Yeti for cheap on Craigslist and mounted it to an arm above my monitors (built from PVC and black iron pipe). Its quite a bit clearer than anything you're going to get in a headset or in a camera.

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Edit: Honestly, I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a separate system just to stream off of. Do you have an idea of how much more it’d be?

Um, probably another 400-500. A dedicated streaming rig doesn't need to be super duper powerful.

Im heading for a shower, but ill throw something together when i get out.

The Phanteks Evolv X lets you build two systems in one chassis. I'd build it in that. (They also sell a PSU that can power two rigs).

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System 1:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pZtNJ8

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($359.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z390 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($161.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($533.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Evolv X ATX Mid Tower Case ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Phanteks Revolt Pro 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Custom: Logitech C922x Pro Stream Webcam 1080P Camera for HD Video Streaming & Recording At 60Fps (960-001176) ($74.76 @ Amazon)
Total: $2288.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-15 17:54 EDT-0400

System 2:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gZkb4q

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($148.90 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($119.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston A400 240 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($92.99 @ Amazon)
Custom: Phanteks PH-ITXKT_R01 – ITX Upgrade Kit for Phanteks Dual System Chassis, Compatible with Evolv X and Eclipse P600S ($25.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $492.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-15 18:02 EDT-0400

note: The second build does not include a case or PSU because youll be putting it in the same case, and the Revolt PSUs have plugs for two systems, so you only need one PSU. I moved the mass storage (4TB 7200 RPM drive) to the streaming rig. The streaming rig doesn't have a GPU, but the Vega 11 built into the 3400G is more than enough for streaming/daily driving.

Important: You will need to add a video-in device to the second system. You could use a USB3.1 external solution or get a PCIe card - i dont know enough about the topic to recommend one, but from what i've seen you're looking at about another 150$ or so. If you opt for a PCIe card, youll need to use the PCIe riser cable that comes with the mITX kit.

You can also (if you want) get another PCIe riser cable and vertically mount the GPU (on the primary rig), but that is up to you.

One of the benefits of this setup is that you can use your streaming rig to browse the web/watch videos, etc, withhout it affecting your gaming rig at all. I do something similar with my setup - i have a gaming rig (Windows) and use my MacBook Pro (docked/plugged in) next to it. Its quite a bit more convenient than trying to alt-tab or dealing with Windows' weird eccentricities when using two monitors.

Youll need a second keyboard and mouse of course, unless you want to use a KVM switch (i recommend just getting a second set of peripherals).

And for windows keys - again, there are plenty of places to get them cheap. Never pay full price for Windows.

[Hoofey]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zZ76vn

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900 3.1 GHz 8-Core Processor ($434.90 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS MASTER ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($279.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($111.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1791.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-15 16:35 EDT-0400

You're really not getting a lot for your money here.

Surely you must have intended to use the 9900k in this build? A high-end, expensive motherboard+beefy cooler paired with a 65w locked cpu doesnt make much sense.

[Anevers]

You're really not getting a lot for your money here.

Surely you must have intended to use the 9900k in this build? A high-end, expensive motherboard+beefy cooler paired with a 65w locked cpu doesnt make much sense.

Is the i9 9900k not in the parts list? If it's not I'll adjust when I get home.

Edit
Yeah looks like I clicked the wrong i9, with the master and the dark rock I intended the OP to be able to oc.

Good catch

[Sorshen]

It's a little rushed but this should do the job. I'll post up a Ryzen 3900x and a 3700x build up when I get home from work.

It's still under budget so you can increase the storage, memory, and or upgrade to a 2080ti maybe?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zZ76vn

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900 3.1 GHz 8-Core Processor ($434.90 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS MASTER ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($279.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($111.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1791.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-15 16:35 EDT-0400

i9-9900 is throwing money in the dumpster.
He doesn't need a $280 motherboard, a $150 one will do.
Nvme is also a stretch.

Don't get the above build.
Kagthul's build is much much better value (tho I'd get an aftermarket cooled 5700XT and save some $120 there).

[Anevers]

i9-9900 is throwing money in the dumpster.
He doesn't need a $280 motherboard, a $150 one will do.
Nvme is also a stretch.

Don't get the above build.
Kagthul's build is much much better value (tho I'd get an aftermarket cooled 5700XT and save some $120 there).

You basing that off I selected the wrong i9 or just not a fan of i9's in general

[Hoofey]

i9-9900 is throwing money in the dumpster.
He doesn't need a $280 motherboard, a $150 one will do.
Nvme is also a stretch.

9900K is fine if your main focus is WoW and some streaming\editing.
Motherboard is indeed on the more expensive side.

Nvme is fine these days.
Heres a few examples compared to the 860 Evo, some of them comparable to the 970 Evo.

PCPartPicker Part List

Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.95 @ B&H)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($109.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $724.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-15 21:37 EDT-0400

[Kagthul]

You basing that off I selected the wrong i9 or just not a fan of i9's in general

The i9 is, by and large, a waste of money. It will outperform a 3700X, but not enough to justify the extra 200+$. It also runs hotter than hell, requiring beefy aftermarket cooling, and if you want to overclock it, you have to spend out on a board that has beefy VRMs.

All told, the 9900K + a decent motherboard to go with it is going to be ~300+$ more expensive than a 3700X and motherboard, and is only going to perform maybe 5-10% better.

Intel doesn't have a lot of compelling parts out right now, considering the cost and performance of Ryzen 3 parts.

In my "two systems in one case" build above, i only went with the 9700K because it will perform better, is about the same cost as the 3700X, and hes going to be doing all his encoding on a second machine, rendering the lack of Hyperthreading moot. Notice in the single-system build i went with a 3700X.

Most games (MMOs and a few other secure client server games that have many players on screen at once being the notable exceptions) are NOT CPU bound, especially when you get over 1080p. For most games, thee 3700X and the 9900K (even overclocked) will provide the same gameplay experience. Yeah, you might get 180fps on the 9900K, and "only" 165fps on the 3700X, but... thats irrelevant performance since at best you've got a 144hz display.

Its hard to recommend Intel at any price range other than 9400F for a semi-budget build or the 9600K and 9700K for an "all i do is game, nothing more" build (since they will perform a bit better and the loss of extra threads doesnt matter). Even then, the 3600 and 3700X are both still totally viable.

Also, you had other parts on that list that were pointless overspend. While getting an NVMe drive is fine, there's no reason to pay the Samsung premium when the Intel 660p's are just as good and almost half the price. The motherboard was way overboard, too. Could have easily gotten by on something like the Tomahawk i posted above.

Just because someone HAS a budget, doesn't mean you need to spend it all, especially for minimal (if any) performance gains.

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(tho I'd get an aftermarket cooled 5700XT and save some $120 there).

I hadn't really checked benches for aftermarket 5700XTs. I know the stock 5700XT was beaten up pretty badly by the 2070 SUPER. If the aftermarket ones perform better, than that would be a totally viable choice.

Though you dont get RTX, and you limit yourself to ONLY freesync monitors (since nVidia GPUs can do both freesync and Gsync, but AMD GPUs can only do freesync). Up to you to decide if that is important to you. If not, then the 5700XT might be the way to go.

[Anevers]

The i9 is, by and large, a waste of money. It will outperform a 3700X, but not enough to justify the extra 200+$. It also runs hotter than hell, requiring beefy aftermarket cooling, and if you want to overclock it, you have to spend out on a board that has beefy VRMs.

All told, the 9900K + a decent motherboard to go with it is going to be ~300+$ more expensive than a 3700X and motherboard, and is only going to perform maybe 5-10% better.

Intel doesn't have a lot of compelling parts out right now, considering the cost and performance of Ryzen 3 parts.

In my "two systems in one case" build above, i only went with the 9700K because it will perform better, is about the same cost as the 3700X, and hes going to be doing all his encoding on a second machine, rendering the lack of Hyperthreading moot. Notice in the single-system build i went with a 3700X.

Most games (MMOs and a few other secure client server games that have many players on screen at once being the notable exceptions) are NOT CPU bound, especially when you get over 1080p. For most games, thee 3700X and the 9900K (even overclocked) will provide the same gameplay experience. Yeah, you might get 180fps on the 9900K, and "only" 165fps on the 3700X, but... thats irrelevant performance since at best you've got a 144hz display.

Its hard to recommend Intel at any price range other than 9400F for a semi-budget build or the 9600K and 9700K for an "all i do is game, nothing more" build (since they will perform a bit better and the loss of extra threads doesnt matter). Even then, the 3600 and 3700X are both still totally viable.

Also, you had other parts on that list that were pointless overspend. While getting an NVMe drive is fine, there's no reason to pay the Samsung premium when the Intel 660p's are just as good and almost half the price. The motherboard was way overboard, too. Could have easily gotten by on something like the Tomahawk i posted above.

Just because someone HAS a budget, doesn't mean you need to spend it all, especially for minimal (if any) performance gains.

I work as system builder/Sales, when someone tells me their budget I assume that is what they are willing to and expect to spend. I've never had a customer walk up to me and say I have a budget of $1300 but only build for $900. Moreover the i9 build didn't even come close to $2500.

At a budget of $2500 it was inferred he wanted the best processor, as they made no mention of compromise. Normally when someone says they have 2000+ budget normally you would go Intel, because most people willing to spend that want the best, even if the best is 5% better. The build I did was meant for overclocking an i9 (Hence the beefy mboard with beefy VRMs that good finned heat sinks, and a beefy aftermarket cooler).

Now unless you have i9 9900k money: you should go Ryzen (I run a 3700x myself). Most people should run Ryzen, as there is no real reason to run anything on the Intel side unless it’s an i9. I agree: The Ryzen 7 performs better for money spent and with the SMT will probably age better than the 9700k who is already maxing out in certain titles (I have posted on this before).

All that being said I only had time to knock out one build before I had to go to work, and said I would also be doing a Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 builds.

Here comes another Cadillac build but with a Ryzen 9
This is another no compromise build, if this is too expensive the 3700x is next.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fgrWMZ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($499.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard ($269.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Royal 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($78.88 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1866.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-16 01:28 EDT-0400



Now if you want to skirt the budget by a lil bit a 3700x is a really really sweet processor (this is from experience).

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xTPYpG

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($328.90 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($199.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1487.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-16 00:59 EDT-0400


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I hadn't really checked benches for aftermarket 5700XTs. I know the stock 5700XT was beaten up pretty badly by the 2070 SUPER. If the aftermarket ones perform better, than that would be a totally viable choice.

Though you dont get RTX, and you limit yourself to ONLY freesync monitors (since nVidia GPUs can do both freesync and Gsync, but AMD GPUs can only do freesync). Up to you to decide if that is important to you. If not, then the 5700XT might be the way to go.

In regards to the rtx 2070 super vs 5700 xt: there is little need to spend more money for the difference in performance, the 5700xt is the better buy.

[Temp name]

At this point in time as per your own argument there is little need to spend more money for trivial performance: the 5700xt is the better buy.

[video=youtube;3AftiYtuaXk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AftiYtuaXk[video]
[video=youtube;hpyE0S2yKJY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpyE0S2yKJY&t=2s[video]
[video=youtube;FQJCm7bnOfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQJCm7bnOfU[video]

It's amazing what a decent cooler will do for you..

[Kagthul]

I work as system builder/Sales,

Textbook Appeal to Authority fallacy. Ill throw one out there for you, since we're apparently taking them out and waving them around:

In the last six years ive built about 500 machines, specifically for gaming, that are used at conventions and esports events. And that's on top of
~100 builds for private clients, from basic office machines to 4,000$ gaming rigs. Now that we're done waving them around pointlessly...

If you're in sales, you shouldn't be gouging your customers. If one comes to you with a set of standards he wants to meet, and a max budget number, its your job to deliver the required performance for the least amount of money possible. Otherwise, you're just ripping your customers off.

9700k who is already maxing out in certain titles (I have posted on this before).

You weren't right then, either. You still aren't. When a quad-core part with SMT/HT can deliver more fps than a high-refresh monitor, an 8-core part is definitely not "maxed out". If you get 200fps on one CPU and only 180 on the other, who cares? Thats pointless performance. If that even happens, which, outside of games that are coded like stinking dog shit (AHEM, Assassins Creed), it doesn't.

At this point in time as per your own argument there is little need to spend more money for trivial performance: the 5700xt is the better buy.

Its like i said that. Oh wait, i did.

I hadn't really checked benches for aftermarket 5700XTs. I know the stock 5700XT was beaten up pretty badly by the 2070 SUPER. If the aftermarket ones perform better, than that would be a totally viable choice.

Though you dont get RTX, and you limit yourself to ONLY freesync monitors (since nVidia GPUs can do both freesync and Gsync, but AMD GPUs can only do freesync). Up to you to decide if that is important to you. If not, then the 5700XT might be the way to go.

See? I said that.

[Anevers]

Textbook Appeal to Authority fallacy. Ill throw one out there for you, since we're apparently taking them out and waving them around:

In the last six years ive built about 500 machines, specifically for gaming, that are used at conventions and esports events. And that's on top of
~100 builds for private clients, from basic office machines to 4,000$ gaming rigs. Now that we're done waving them around pointlessly...

If you're in sales, you shouldn't be gouging your customers. If one comes to you with a set of standards he wants to meet, and a max budget number, its your job to deliver the required performance for the least amount of money possible. Otherwise, you're just ripping your customers off.

Cool you've done about as many as I have, some of my best customers are the high end dealerships that like to drop $4500 per build for their showrooms.

*Puts away wavy thing*

My job as sales is to meet the specs they want within the budget they set with the best margin for my company. If I'm building machines and I'm not maximizing profits per build then I'm not doing my job well. The customer gets the best machine for their budget, without cutting corners. It’s how sales works whether you’re a distributor, system integrator, or a in a Mom n Pop shop.

You weren't right then, either. You still aren't. When a quad-core part with SMT/HT can deliver more fps than a high-refresh monitor, an 8-core part is definitely not "maxed out". If you get 200fps on one CPU and only 180 on the other, who cares? Thats pointless performance. If that even happens, which, outside of games that are coded like stinking dog shit (AHEM, Assassins Creed), it doesn't.

Cool I can tell you didn’t bother read or watch what I posted because there is benchmarks to prove my point. Buying an 8 core 8 thread is a stupid thing to do, especially if you have any plans to hold on to the system for the next 3-5 years. Buy a Ryzen 7/Ryzen 9 or even an i9.

Its like i said that. Oh wait, i did.


See? I said that.

Cool, would you like a gold star?

It's amazing what a decent cooler will do for you..

Indeed.

[pansertjald]

Cool I can tell you didn’t bother read or watch what I posted because there is benchmarks to prove my point. Buying an 8 core 8 thread is a stupid thing to do, especially if you have any plans to hold on to the system for the next 3-5 years. Buy a Ryzen 7/Ryzen 9 or even an i9.

So you think all of a sudden that a 8c/8t CPU will not do fine for the next 3-5 years?. People have been saying this for the last 10 years or so and we are still only starting to see games use more then 4 cores and it is still under 10 games, Just because the new PS5 and Xbox will bee getting more then 4 cores, doesn't meen that all of a sudden all games will run on 6 cores or more and run like crap on 4 core CPUs.

Even a 6c/6t CPU will be more then fine for the next 3-5 years. Just because we have CPU's whit a billion cores now, doesn't meen that game developers will make all their games run on 4+ cores and even if they do, the games will still run just fine on CPUs with less cores. 70% of all gamers still play on 4 core CPUs and that will not just change in the coming years. It cost money to upgrade and not all people have money to upgrade their computer all of the time

[Saphyron]

Intel Based System

PCPartPicker Part List


CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($479.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.12 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC GAMING Video Card ($539.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G1+ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.75 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Speakers: Logitech Z150 0 nW 2.0 Channel Speakers ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2311.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-17 07:38 EDT-0400

AMD Based System

PCPartPicker Part List


CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.12 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G1+ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.75 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Monitor: Acer XZ271U bmijpphzx 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($269.99 @ Walmart)
Speakers: Logitech Z150 0 nW 2.0 Channel Speakers ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2146.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-17 07:43 EDT-0400

[Anevers]

So you think all of a sudden that a 8c/8t CPU will not do fine for the next 3-5 years?. People have been saying this for the last 10 years or so and we are still only starting to see games use more then 4 cores and it is still under 10 games, Just because the new PS5 and Xbox will bee getting more then 4 cores, doesn't meen that all of a sudden all games will run on 6 cores or more and run like crap on 4 core CPUs.

Even a 6c/6t CPU will be more then fine for the next 3-5 years. Just because we have CPU's whit a billion cores now, doesn't meen that game developers will make all their games run on 4+ cores and even if they do, the games will still run just fine on CPUs with less cores. 70% of all gamers still play on 4 core CPUs and that will not just change in the coming years. It cost money to upgrade and not all people have money to upgrade their computer all of the time

There are already games today maxing out on 8cores 8threads. Why would buy a CPU that is already maxed? It would be silly to waste that kind of money. A 9700k will cost you roughly about $360 before tax (USA), has no Hyperthread/SMT and no cooler. A 3700x is $330 near identical gaming performance in most cases, and comes with a decent cooler. The same comparison could be made of the 9600k vs 3600...and both the AMD chips have SMT and do productivity based workloads better.


4c/4t is done, it will run older games fine. The new games? Not so much. Some games are already using 10 threads if available, and the new consoles being 8c/16t game makers will be making more games with that in mind. Doesn't mean you cant play these games on a old i5/i7 but the experience will be lacking with all the stuttering.

The 9700k maxing out at 100% usage. Buy an i9 9900k or 3700x or better for longevity

[pansertjald]

There are already games today maxing out on 8cores 8threads. Why would buy a CPU that is already maxed? It would be silly to waste that kind of money. A 9700k will cost you roughly about $360 before tax (USA), has no Hyperthread/SMT and no cooler. A 3700x is $330 near identical gaming performance in most cases, and comes with a decent cooler. The same comparison could be made of the 9600k vs 3600...and both the AMD chips have SMT and do productivity based workloads better.


4c/4t is done, it will run older games fine. The new games? Not so much. Some games are already using 10 threads if available, and the new consoles being 8c/16t game makers will be making more games with that in mind. Doesn't mean you cant play these games on a old i5/i7 but the experience will be lacking with all the stuttering.

The 9700k maxing out at 100% usage. Buy an i9 9900k or 3700x or better for longevity

That video is just hilarious. He is basing it all on one fucking bad programed game, wich other reviewers have already said when tasting CPUs and GPUs and he says that this will be the standart in games from now on......... That is just LOL.

He has no fucking idea of what the upcoming games will be like and i have not seen ANY OTHER games maxing out a 8c/8t CPU.
But go ahead and take the words of one Youtuber if you want. But PLEASE don't go a tell people to do the same, because that guy is just LOL

[Anevers]

Cool I'll take his word over yours any day. I know at least he knows what he's doing.