No Ret Pallies

[Xsorus]

Guess what - no it wont. You are making a HUGE logical leap here, and you have absolutely nothing to back it up at all other than wishful thinking.

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Saying "End of the topic" doesnt actually end the topic. HAHA, are you 7? The FACT remains that you have to make so many unrealistic conditions for the pally to be taken to any group - even in your perfect pally world, Ret will be grossly under performing compared to a real dps. You make this weird logical leap : i would rather have a ret pally who is perfect in every way and still doing half the dps of a good dps class who is lazy"

But what about the FAR more realistic scenario where all your dps are putting in equal effort? What now? What about REALITY?

I'm not making a logical leap....I have actual proof of this happening. Its called Live Servers, where they removed 40 man raiding for exactly this issue.

[Kaver]

Classic shouldn't be about "Don't invite this spec" The stories I hear about Vanilla are that you can play any spec you wish. Sure might not work in raiding, but it's all about having fun. Don't be elitest toward people by saying "OH this spec sucks! I don't want it in any of MY dungeons!" Cause tbh. I hope someone trolls you with that spec.

Don't listen to the OP Guys. PLAY what you want! if you wanna be a retty! DO IT! Don't let anyone else put you down!

That’s cool and all.. but the fact is that Rets are going to have a hard time getting invited to raids and dungeons. So if that content is something people are interested in doing, they should strongly consider how much effort they are willing to put in. Otherwise we will se a lot of people get very disappointed. Rets will be able to find groups but it will just be much more troublesome. That just how the game is sadly. I wish all specs were good but that don’t change the facts. It’s better to tell people the truth than to lie and waste their time.

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I'm not making a logical leap....I have actual proof of this happening. Its called Live Servers, where they removed 40 man raiding for exactly this issue.

The removed 40 man raiding so it would be easier for casuals to get into raiding.

[Twistnectar]

They have the lowest DPS, highest threat, crappy off heal, and crappy CC.

Are you crazy? Ret off heals are STRONG.. :O

[OokOok]

That's not true at all. I have no problem being in a 5-man with a ret pally.

I think what he means is that any group who plans to actually clear and finish BRD/UBRS/LBRS/Strat/Scholo won't be inviting ret paladins\


any "Vanilla" players who tell stories about "you can be any class and spec and raid and do successful dng clear runs" never played retail vanilla. That wasn't a thing. If you played a class that could heal, you healed. If you played a warrior, you tanked until you had 2000AP and then you could bloodthirst fury warrior.

[Dacien]

I think what he means is that any group who plans to actually clear and finish BRD/UBRS/LBRS/Strat/Scholo won't be inviting ret paladins\


any "Vanilla" players who tell stories about "you can be any class and spec and raid and do successful dng clear runs" never played retail vanilla. That wasn't a thing. If you played a class that could heal, you healed. If you played a warrior, you tanked until you had 2000AP and then you could bloodthirst fury warrior.

That's just not true at all. I played ret all through Vanilla and was relegated to nothing but dungeons, and I did them all, including 45 Baron. DPS wasn't the only thing, it was also off-heals and great undead management in Scholo/strat. Ret was welcome in dungeons all day every day back when I played.

[Gaidax]

Are you crazy? Ret off heals are STRONG.. :O

They were pretty decent actually yes, the main limiting factor was that you could blast off like 5 Holy Lights before running OOM, but they did heal nicely, especially if you ran Divine Favor 21/0/30, which I liked for BGs when I was not Holy - which was a godfather of organized PvP healer specs.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

I was in both raids and 5 mans as "Ret."

[Machismo]

I think what he means is that any group who plans to actually clear and finish BRD/UBRS/LBRS/Strat/Scholo won't be inviting ret paladins\


any "Vanilla" players who tell stories about "you can be any class and spec and raid and do successful dng clear runs" never played retail vanilla. That wasn't a thing. If you played a class that could heal, you healed. If you played a warrior, you tanked until you had 2000AP and then you could bloodthirst fury warrior.

Ret pallies do fine in Strat, and are still passable in the others. Since they are plate, and their consecrate is rolling, healers will never pull aggro. if a tank cannot handle them all. A large portion of all those instances involves aoe pulls, so a ret pally will do fine. Will they top the meters? Not likely. But, they won't be totally useless.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

I think what he means is that any group who plans to actually clear and finish BRD/UBRS/LBRS/Strat/Scholo won't be inviting ret paladins\


any "Vanilla" players who tell stories about "you can be any class and spec and raid and do successful dng clear runs" never played retail vanilla. That wasn't a thing. If you played a class that could heal, you healed. If you played a warrior, you tanked until you had 2000AP and then you could bloodthirst fury warrior.

This is false.

[Selastan]

I played ret in Classic. Those buffs are worth it. And you aren't going to turn down someone when you've spent 50 minutes just trying to recruit a group for Scarlet Monastery. You take what you can get.

[Coldfrostzero]

1. Where's your Hand of A'dal achievement?

2. TBC Ret Pala isn't even comparable to Vanilla Ret. You bring a unique buff in TBC, in Vanilla you do not. If a raid in Vanilla wants Blessing of Sanctuary from Prot, a Paladin gets it. And guess what he does? Heal.

Other than this, I see nothing more to discuss. The bottom line is that if you play Prot or Ret, you and your entire guild is losing out. If you are fine with that, good for you. I'm happy for you. That doesn't mean that it's still not subpar or that you won't get looked down upon. Which you will, and it's 100% justified.

I didn't raid that seriously in vanilla or BC because I was like 17-19 and going to school I started getting serious in WotLK with Heroic 10 man raids. I was in the second best Horde guild on my server.

I never said BC Ret and Vanilla ret are the same...I said exactly that they are different. I said they aren't as much of a burden as you claim. People who downed Naxx in Vanilla in 2006 had ret paladins in the raid. They still bring another precious paladin buff and another aura for their group.

I don't care if you consider it a burden. I won't be raiding with you. A guild said they were cool with me playing Prot paladin, and even in the beta nobody had a single qualm about a prot paladin tank. Nor a ret paladin in group. The worst I saw was people saying they didn't want more than a single melee in group even though shit dies quickly regardless. You're thinking is outdated. It's an old game and who cares. Just don't PUG if you don't want to deal with "subpar" specs. Otherwise, grow up and get over it.

[alexs]

I didn't raid that seriously in vanilla or BC because I was like 17-19 and going to school I started getting serious in WotLK with Heroic 10 man raids. I was in the second best Horde guild on my server.

I never said BC Ret and Vanilla ret are the same...I said exactly that they are different. I said they aren't as much of a burden as you claim. People who downed Naxx in Vanilla in 2006 had ret paladins in the raid. They still bring another precious paladin buff and another aura for their group.

I don't care if you consider it a burden. I won't be raiding with you. A guild said they were cool with me playing Prot paladin, and even in the beta nobody had a single qualm about a prot paladin tank. Nor a ret paladin in group. The worst I saw was people saying they didn't want more than a single melee in group even though shit dies quickly regardless. You're thinking is outdated. It's an old game and who cares. Just don't PUG if you don't want to deal with "subpar" specs. Otherwise, grow up and get over it.

I'm sorry but you can't main-tank raids as prot paladin. You don't have enough block chance compared to a decent geared warrior, even if ur BiS geared towards prot, you'll only have a "chance" to get block cap based on luck and rng. Warrior is the only class that can reach block cap with a cooldown

You also don't have a taunt until tbc

[mrlowrider]

Basically if you have a healing spec, you heal. Welcome to classic!

[Malix Farwin]

Comparing Mythic + to vanilla dungeons. Now that's something to make ya laugh. You clearly cannot be reasoned with so lets just have time prove you wrong.

At frst i was going to create an argument but actually nvm. Please level ret paladin, you deserve it.

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I played ret in Classic. Those buffs are worth it. And you aren't going to turn down someone when you've spent 50 minutes just trying to recruit a group for Scarlet Monastery. You take what you can get.

This statement more or less proves my point. Yes you will take what you can get and if you get a paladin, they are healing. A lot of the issues ret/proc had that kept them from being viable didnt happen till BC. Ret pally in Classic mostly auto'd. You didn't even have something as basic as crusader strike, quite literally better off playing a warrior.

[Coldfrostzero]

I'm sorry but you can't main-tank raids as prot paladin. You don't have enough block chance compared to a decent geared warrior, even if ur BiS geared towards prot, you'll only have a "chance" to get block cap based on luck and rng. Warrior is the only class that can reach block cap with a cooldown

You also don't have a taunt until tbc

I never claimed I was going to main tank. Don't understand this need to strawman literally everything I say with you people.

I also know they don't get taunt until BC. They get a 3 target reverse taunt. I played Prot and Ret in BC when Horde got Paladins. It was my main all the way until BFA.

Looking forward to someone telling me something else I already know about the game to try and argue something I'm not.

[Not A Cat]

I'm a firm believer in playing what you want and fuck the haters

But I don't think any amount of nostalgia can make playing vanilla ret fun.

[ploki]

Ret palas should never exist... in my opinion, they are broken in every wow expansion.

[ey b0ss]

And to annoy op , I'll start a guild with a ret pala and make my own raids :^).

[iosdeveloper]

Ret palas should never exist... in my opinion, they are broken in every wow expansion.

that's true, rets were always broken bad or broken good

[Anastacy]

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i forgot how cool Vengeance buff looked

God most of those opponents were complete shit.