Hottest July: Has Climate Denialism Doomed Us?

[Trassk]

Actually no there are certain technologies companies could have used to reach lower emission but didn't because they only look out for the bottom line. That's not going into what the fossil fuel industry has been doing, several countries have drastically cut emissions by simply increasing the penalty for polluting. So the solutions are there but without government regulations companies won't implement them. Your outlook lacks perspective and the history of the problem.

Nope, my outlook comes from scientific understanding of growth and resources from expects on the subject. Plus my understanding isn't hampered by socialist and globalist indoctrination.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/...verpopulation/

[cubby]

People often assign fatalities to various ideologies. But when it's all said and done, I'm thinking Climate Denialism will out do them all. The drought and heat waves cause untold deaths and displacement.

Climate denialism tends to move through predictable stages, i.e., it’s not happening, it’s happening but it’s a natural not anthropogenic process, it’s happening and we’re causing it but it’s not that bad, OK it’s real bad but there’s a technological fix just around the corner, aka capitalism to the rescue again, to whatever rationalizations will be deployed next month or year or decade to ensure that no rich person ever has to give up anything in the present to avert catastrophe in the future.

I suppose this is a good time to remind people that the New York Times keeps printing op-eds by climate change deniers of various flavors because Intellectual Diversity is Good, or maybe they’re just being flat-out bribed, like everybody else inside the non-stop griftathon known as contemporary Reality.

July confirmed as hottest month on record

July this year was the warmest month ever recorded worldwide, satellite data has confirmed.
The assessment was carried out by researchers at the EU’s Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S).
Scientists say it’s the latest sign that Earth is experiencing unprecedented warming.
Scorching heatwaves saw records tumble across Europe last month, with unusually high temperatures within the Arctic Circle as well.
Globally, July 2019 was marginally warmer – by 0.04 degrees Celsius (0.072 Fahrenheit) – than the previous hottest month on record, July 2016.

However, it’s notable that the 2016 record followed a strong El Nino weather event, which boosts average global temperatures beyond the impact of global warming alone.
The new July mark follows on from a global record for June, which was confirmed by data from several different agencies.
According to Copernicus, every month this year ranks among the four warmest on record for the month in question.


INB4 whatever ... climate denialists always like to point out that some random glacier is experiencing some seasonal growth. Looks like Greenland has given up and said "fuck it".

Greenland Lost 12.5 Billion Tons of Ice in a Single Day
Last Thursday, August 1, the Greenland ice sheet experienced its largest single-day volume loss on record, sending an estimated 12.5 billion tons of ice pouring into the ocean. Per a Twitter post by climate scientist Martin Stendel, the amount of ice collectively lost on Thursday and Wednesday—the ice sheet’s biggest surface melt day since 2012, with around 60 percent of the frozen expanse undergoing at least 1 millimeter of melting—would be enough to cover Florida in almost five inches of water.

More than likely not. We were doomed regardless of deniers. The total amount of policy change needed to halt, much less reverse, climate change damage is beyond stupendous. We're going to have to go through it then repair rather than try and avoid it.

From my understanding of the science, we've already hit a cascading threshold.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

At least when Trump dies he will be able to leave his kids an extra few percent. That is whats most important here guys. Get with the program.

/s

[zEmini]

All climate denialists should be exiled to the deserts and tundras of the world.

[Draco-Onis]

Nope, my outlook comes from scientific understanding of growth and resources from expects on the subject. Plus my understanding isn't hampered by socialist and globalist indoctrination.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/...verpopulation/

How did you draw this imaginary line to socialism and globalist doctrines? carbon pricing is a right wing free market solution to climate change.

[NED funded]

This is probably like talking to a wall at this point, but climate denialism hasn't doomed us. Accepting that something is happening is very different than actually doing something about it. China accepts that Climate change is happening yet they are exporting coal plants and are among the biggest emmitters. Same with people, reduce your meat intake, throw away your AC and stop driving a car. These are the biggest changes in your life that you can that will actually help, but nooooo: "I have to go work", "Beyond meat is just around the corner and I will stop eating meat" and whatever other garbage people make up to justify their lack of action.

[Draco-Onis]

This is probably like talking to a wall at this point, but climate denialism hasn't doomed us. Accepting that something is happening is very different than actually doing something about it. China accepts that Climate change is happening yet they are exporting coal plants and are among the biggest emmitters. Same with people, reduce your meat intake, throw away your AC and stop driving a car. These are the biggest changes in your life that you can that will actually help, but nooooo: "I have to go work", "Beyond meat is just around the corner and I will stop eating meat" and whatever other garbage people make up to justify their lack of action.

humans by nature are selfish second governments and corporations have far more impact than individuals.

[d00mGuArD]

This is probably like talking to a wall at this point, but climate denialism hasn't doomed us. Accepting that something is happening is very different than actually doing something about it. China accepts that Climate change is happening yet they are exporting coal plants and are among the biggest emmitters. Same with people, reduce your meat intake, throw away your AC and stop driving a car. These are the biggest changes in your life that you can that will actually help, but nooooo: "I have to go work", "Beyond meat is just around the corner and I will stop eating meat" and whatever other garbage people make up to justify their lack of action.

If you ask from people ridiculous things (like stop eating meat), you will get ridiculous answers and ridiculous results.

[NED funded]

humans by nature are selfish second governments and corporations have far more impact than individuals.

Corporations aren't forcing you to eat meat or have an AC

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If you ask from people ridiculous things (like stop eating meat), you will get ridiculous answers and ridiculous results.

Its not even stop eating meat, just reduce your intake and procure to eat chicken

[wunksta]

This is probably like talking to a wall at this point, but climate denialism hasn't doomed us. Accepting that something is happening is very different than actually doing something about it. China accepts that Climate change is happening yet they are exporting coal plants and are among the biggest emmitters. Same with people, reduce your meat intake, throw away your AC and stop driving a car. These are the biggest changes in your life that you can that will actually help, but nooooo: "I have to go work", "Beyond meat is just around the corner and I will stop eating meat" and whatever other garbage people make up to justify their lack of action.

Not saying you are wrong, but residential emissions are around 12% in the US, with cooling (refrigeration, AC, etc) being 7.8% of total emissions world wide. Transportation, electricity and the industrial sector contribute much larger percentages within the US. Every little bit helps but replacing our energy sources and fossil fuel based transportation, as well as doing carbon capture policies would provide the largest benefits I think. Also, mitigating emissions by doing massive tree planting programs would be a good idea as well. Ultimately, this will require a large cultural shift and a lot of governmental policies.

[JohnBrown1917]

Actually no there are certain technologies companies could have used to reach lower emission but didn't because they only look out for the bottom line. That's not going into what the fossil fuel industry has been doing, several countries have drastically cut emissions by simply increasing the penalty for polluting. So the solutions are there but without government regulations companies won't implement them. Your outlook lacks perspective and the history of the problem.

You're probably going hear that 'theory' more and more in the future, everything to ignore the real problems. Climate change denialism is falling too much out of favour, so they gotta do something. But the whole "globalist indoctrination" spiel will continue on(and that it is also socialist, somehow). We can produce enough to support the whole world, but that does not benefit the elite(that these former climate change denialist support).



Gonna see a rise in eco-fascism to make an excuse to keep out climate refugees.

[Draco-Onis]

Corporations aren't forcing you to eat meat or have an AC

So you are saying the corporations that make the AC with certain environmental standards and produced the process to get the meat to the table have no part in this?

[JohnBrown1917]

So you are saying the corporations that make the AC with certain environmental standards and produced the process to get the meat to the table have no part in this?

Don't forget all the fossil fuel companies who put a ton of money into lobby'ing for climate change denial.

[PC2]

There's no "doom" on the horizon. If people innovate then all of our metrics like agricultural output, population, and GDP can keep going up over time. If people don't innovate then the numbers go down over time. Prophecizing the future makes no sense when it depends on what people decide to do.

[Shadowferal]

^reminds me of Devin Nunes...

[PC2]

^reminds me of Devin Nunes...

I don't know who that is. We should be here to talk about the topic and *ideas*, not about particular people.

[JohnBrown1917]

There's no "doom" on the horizon. If people innovate then all of our metrics like agricultural output, population, and GDP can keep going up over time. If people don't innovate then the numbers go down over time. Prophecizing the future makes no sense when it depends on what people decide to do.

That is assuming the elite will stop trying tto make money of destroying the planet(for humans) so good luck with that.

[NED funded]

So you are saying the corporations that make the AC with certain environmental standards and produced the process to get the meat to the table have no part in this?

No need for that scale of meat production without the demand.

And for the record, there is literally not enough water to keep up with the growing demand of meat, so you can shove your best practices elsewhere

[Kokolums]

How in the world do you solve a problem like global warming? The core problem is the human race is far, far too corrupt to coordinate an attempt to fix it. If it is real, we are all dead, guaranteed, because we will NEVER solve it. To solve it, you are going to overpower the will of incredibly powerful people across the globe, and that will never happen.

So the answer is, it better not be real.

[Draco-Onis]

No need for that scale of meat production without the demand.

And for the record, there is literally not enough water to keep up with the growing demand of meat, so you can shove your best practices elsewhere

I suggest you pick up a history book your line is old and has been proven wrong time and time again because of technology. I mean look up vertical farming and how it could change production, I know where to shove my best practices but it seems your head is already stuck there.

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Don't forget all the fossil fuel companies who put a ton of money into lobby'ing for climate change denial.

Blaming the individual for everything is laughable.