What is a "normal" Orc actually like - and can orcs be at peave with anyone?

[Mace]

Their history is full of clans fighting each other, constantly war focused, even before the corruption... I am looking for examples where orcs have actually been okay with living in peace with anyone over a prolonged period.. I haven't found it yet.

So I look to their lore, in the time before the legion that was described, and even then you would have clans having feuds and it was actually culturally encouraged.

You're not evil attacking a clan for food and water, and in arguments or disputes, the winner is resolved through a good fight.

I mean can a race like this ever live in peace with others?

[Irian]

It's true that in the past they weren't, but truthfully, the majority of the orc population has a positive relationship with their allies in the Horde. It might just be because they have someone to direct their - for lack of a better term - warmongering culture at, but it remains to be seen.

Overall though I don't think the orc race can find "peace" in the way that a human could. Their culture is one of conflict and they thrive in it, that's just the kind of people they are.

[Al Gorefiend]

They were historically more peaceful than Night Elves, Mace.

[avitush]

Didn't the orcs live in peace with the draenei on Draenor before the Legion showed up? I might be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure they at least tolerated the draenei and even engaged in trade with them from time to time.

The orcs didn't really become dicks until after they drank the green Kool-Aid.

[NoiseTank13]

The orcs didn't really become dicks until after they drank the green Kool-Aid.

And with the release of WoD, the green kool-aid no longer was the cause.

It is now the Ambien to Roseanne's racism. i.e, their penchant for genocide was in them all along.

[Rustedsaint]

Orcs were never at peace, they always fought someone or even their own kind over resources.

[DeicideUH]

The problem is not the orcs per se. They are just a people.

The problem is the Horde. It's when you pull all your resources together for war, under the command of a single person that requires unwavering loyalty.

[TigTone]

Orc never had a chance at “peace”.

Draenor is a shit place to live in. It’s like Australia at the scale of a world.

Everything is trying to kill you.

So it’s understandable they still have that culture mentality of fight for survival.

[Kyphael]

Orcs can be divided into two sects; the "shamanistic orcs" or the "warmongering orcs." Shamanistic orcs like Durotan and Thrall tend to be more peaceful and can co-exist with other races. Warmongering orcs, obviously, are dicks, and can't sit still so they fuck with other people and pound their chests to incite conflict over menial things like "resources" or pride, like Grom, Garrosh, Blackhand, and Bladefist. Orcs are no different than any other race. They have good and bad among them.

[ChampionChains]

The orcs on Draenor were never any worse than any other race in warcraft. All races are constantly at war. Gnomes vs Troggs, Humans Elves and Dwarves vs Trolls (many of their questing zones have you actively killing troll children), Tauren vs Quillboar and Centaur. There is no such thing as a peaceful race on Azeroth or Draenor. Everyone is at war, everyone murders their neighbors over territory and resources. People just like to dump on Orcs more than any other race. They're an easy target since they were corrupted by the Legion and used as a weapon. Nobody really targets the Draenei/Eredar despite the fact that the vast majority of their race willingly joined the Burning Legion and wiped out world after world. They're often considered the most benevolent and peaceful race on Azeroth yet they have the blood of countless worlds on their hands. If you start out with a biased opinion of any race, it's really easy to twist it into "X race is the most violent race in Warcraft". There are no peaceful races.

[Kyphael]

The orcs on Draenor were never any worse than any other race in warcraft. All races are constantly at war. Gnomes vs Troggs, Humans Elves and Dwarves vs Trolls (many of their questing zones have you actively killing troll children), Tauren vs Quillboar and Centaur. There is no such thing as a peaceful race on Azeroth or Draenor. Everyone is at war, everyone murders their neighbors over territory and resources. People just like to dump on Orcs more than any other race. They're an easy target since they were corrupted by the Legion and used as a weapon. Nobody really targets the Draenei/Eredar despite the fact that the vast majority of their race willingly joined the Burning Legion and wiped out world after world. They're often considered the most benevolent and peaceful race on Azeroth yet they have the blood of countless worlds on their hands. If you start out with a biased opinion of any race, it's really easy to twist it into "X race is the most violent race in Warcraft". There are no peaceful races.

That's mostly because the game is played from a human point of view, starting with Warcraft I where the story revolved around "a bloodthirsty Orc horde sacking the city of Stormwind." That set the narrative that orcs are savage warmongers, and even after Blizzard expanded on their lore later to show they were peaceful once and can be free of Legion influence, the first impression remained among most players that Orcs are the provocateurs, despite showing us the "poor, holy Draenei" as whole have spilled more blood across the universe than all Azerothian races combined. But Velen and his small sect, poor, peaceful, light-touched goat people. They surely represent what "true Draenei" are really like.

[Bigby]

They were historically more peaceful than Night Elves, Mace.

Until WoD retconned that.

[PelinalWhitestrake]

I Really wish that Warcraft Orcs were more in line with the Orsimer, a bunch of Pariahs who after the crazy shit that turned them green, wants to find a place in this world.
Or if not the Lords of Clans game characterization of them.

But in the end we got DIIIIIIIIIIIIINDU! retcons, faux warhammer fantasy ripoffs with no identity of sorts, Muh Kool aid corruption and everything madureira BattleChasers inbetween.

[Kyphael]

Until WoD retconned that.

Durotan remained peaceful. They just ruined Grom. Blackhand and Bladefist were always known to be major dicks.

[Dellis0991]

Orc never had a chance at “peace”.

Draenor is a shit place to live in. It’s like Australia at the scale of a world.

Everything is trying to kill you.

So it’s understandable they still have that culture mentality of fight for survival.

^This right here.

[mvaliz]

An "Orc" is a fictional race creation, and their personality, culture and ideals will change on a dime-spin by the authors will, desires and choices for the story.

The sooner you get used to this idea, the sooner you understand the possibility of a "Normal Orc" doesn't exist and will never exist. At best, it will only be a temporary stamp until the authors desire to do something else.

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Until WoD retconned that.

My point, right here... among many many many other points in WoW history.

[Aurondarklord]

Honestly the pre-corruption behavior of the orcs sounds perfectly in line with real world human civilizations around the same level of technological and social development. Prolonged periods of peace and stability only really exist between, and within, civilizations that have ample resources.

[Dellis0991]

That's mostly because the game is played from a human point of view, starting with Warcraft I where the story revolved around "a bloodthirsty Orc horde sacking the city of Stormwind." That set the narrative that orcs are savage warmongers, and even after Blizzard expanded on their lore later to show they were peaceful once and can be free of Legion influence, the first impression remained among most players that Orcs are the provocateurs, despite showing us the "poor, holy Draenei" as whole have spilled more blood across the universe than all Azerothian races combined. But Velen and his small sect, poor, peaceful, light-touched goat people. They surely represent what "true Draenei" are really like.

When you think about about it we don't really know jack shit about eradar/dreanei other than they they love/loved the light, got chased and killed. We got little glimpses of what they was like on Argus but it wasn't much at all, the only thing we know is that they was different before the they recognized the light. I wonder what they was like before that?

[Tiwack]

Things becoming survival of the fittest in matters of life and death is "normal" - by your standards there's no peace now because a couple had a brawl yesterday or a bloodfeud has been ongoing for four generations. You don't want that kind of peace even if it seems good on paper.

Read their lore-books and you'll see they're just as human-like as any other playable race.

[Newname1234567890]

'War... It is the lifeblood of this world. We are its children'

Dreanor was a SAVAGE world which meant orcs constantly had to fight to survive just like every other race on the planet. But with that Orcs can be seen to coexist during their various shamanic festivals. So peaceful co-existence is very much on their wheel house and they did with the dreani for several hundred years.

Its not like any other race in wow has some prolonged history of peace. Tauren were at war with the Centaur. Humans with kobolds and knolls etc. Night elves with trolls and any other race in their path