"You're just trying to relive your childhood"

[oplawlz]

I like Earthbound for the SNES. And occasionally play it again. But theres no way in hell I could play it 1-2 hours a day for 10+ years. Do you really think you can play wow classic several hours a day for years on end after you have gotten every toon every item they can use? People get bored.

I don't play ANY game for hours a day years on end, and I sincerely believe there is something wrong with anyone who does. What does that have to do with the price of rice in china? I'm going to enjoy playing it a few nights a week through all the phases then move on to other things. Unless the next expansion in retail is truly badass I doubt I'll even buy it.

[Inukashi]

People couldn't even farm ragnaros more than once in the anniversary event because the raid was so boring and ugly and at the moment they hear 'vanilla' they are like
'omg molten core raiding was so awesome'

Also you can't compare music to video games. They age completely different.

[Ald]

MMORPG's in general were better in 2004. Cosmetic systems and mechanic complexity are far superior today but every other aspect is far worse thanks to streamlining and convenience.

[Zyky]

People couldn't even farm ragnaros more than once in the anniversary event because the raid was so boring and ugly and at the moment they hear 'vanilla' they are like
'omg molten core raiding was so awesome'

Also you can't compare music to video games. They age completely different.

Molten Core Anniversary was nothing like Molten Core Vanilla. You could literally sleep through the Anniversary Molten Core. In fact, most people had no interest in doing it multiple times because of the vast amount of people who did AFK it, making it take longer for no real reward.

So while he shouldn't be comparing Music to Video Games, you shouldn't be comparing the first raid ever put into the game(which had several weeks of progression before guilds killed Ragnaros in the first place) to a heavily watered down LFR mess.

[ifrah]

Molten Core Anniversary was nothing like Molten Core Vanilla. You could literally sleep through the Anniversary Molten Core. In fact, most people had no interest in doing it multiple times because of the vast amount of people who did AFK it, making it take longer for no real reward.

So while he shouldn't be comparing Music to Video Games, you shouldn't be comparing the first raid ever put into the game(which had several weeks of progression before guilds killed Ragnaros in the first place) to a heavily watered down LFR mess.

Not saying they were same, as I don't recall doing the anniversary event, but doing an MC clear for whatever reason when it was well on farm, was an utterly awful yawnfest that was loathed and frowned upon, and for a good reason. Those speedruns from private servers hardly represent the reality of almost any guild clearing it back in days.
But as long as it doesn't have the magic letters of LFR on it, people will be less harsh on it.

[Gsara]

For me it has nothing to do with reliving anything. In my opinion vanilla wow is far better than what live servers have offered for years with Legion being the high point for wow over the last 7 or 8 years.

[TJ]

It's funny how when you prove someone wrong and they get so upset that they have to resort to insults instead of proving you wrong. That's how you can tell when you are correct.

So you think its possible to compare something you haven't experienced in a decade to something you just watched and objectively compare the two? You do realize the human brain isn't perfect right? We are filled with false memories, unreliable memories, altered memories, etc... The very fact you can remember something happening that never did is proof that you can't objectively compare something from the past with something from the present.

Not sure if your a virgin or not so Idk if you will have experienced this but most people look back fondly on their first time even if it was shit and some will even compare it to current sexual encounters and because of nostalgia they may rank it higher than a current hookup even though if they had had both sexual encounters today they would say the first one was a shitier experience.

But I'm sure when you eventually get sick and tired of classic you will just blame Blizzard saying it's not real Vanilla because they made skeleton's despawn faster.

From this post it sounds like you're putting everyone in the same boat and claiming no one will enjoy Classic, seemingly because you disagree. If so, that is complete nonsense.

However, if you're trying to say that *some* people look back at Vanilla and claim it's better without remembering it properly and are relying pretty much solely on that first time feeling, then I will agree with you.

[Dantos]

Sorry, your nostalgia will last 2-3 days, week max.

[lollerlaban]

If that statement wasn't true then 80% of the playerbase wouldn't leave after a month, but it's the reality you face.

[dope_danny]

It ain't everyone but there is absolutely people going "i can escape mumma and new daddy telling me to get out and get a job, i'm going to save streamer girls who wont treat me like roastie sluts that only like chads, the god of games is back and we are going home bros...." i have seen that shit all week on a bunch of gaming sites and its cringe as fuck. But it also doesn't apply to everyone but there is absolutely a significant enough audience thats in it purely for the 'running to the comfort of the past' schtik. Its why we saw a surge in movie remakes and tv show revivals.

[Dervrak]

You're just trying to relive your childhood"

Well. Don't think I can claim that, I was 30 in 2004 when Vanilla WoW hit the scene.

In reality, although I tried WoW shortly after it was released, I never really got into it at the time. In the first few months it was slow, buggy and unbalanced with constant disconnects. Not to mention my internet connection and gaming rig could barely handle it. I started several characters, grinded one up to level 29, then got bored and moved on about 3 months in. I didn't get back into WoW until 2008 right before the start of WotLK, at which point it was a MUCH more polished game and I fell in love and haven't quit since.

But there has always been a part of me that regrets not sticking with it. I hear all these great stories people have from Vanilla and BC that I missed out on. Now I don't know if you can really go back. I guess we'll see. I realize it will never truly be like the original experience when everything was new. Gamers are a lot more savvy these days, not to mention you can research how to do any quest or beat any boss with a few clicks of the mouse. But I figure I can only give it a shot....

[anon5123]

I like Earthbound for the SNES. And occasionally play it again. But theres no way in hell I could play it 1-2 hours a day for 10+ years.

1-2 hours a day for 10+ years.

Holy shit, that goalpost-moving.

1. Nobody plays vanilla for "10+ years" at a time. People play it on and off and take breaks.
2. Earthbound is a single player JRPG, not an MMORPG.

Do you really think you can play wow classic several hours a day for years on end after you have gotten every toon every item they can use?

Very few people have done this, so I'm not sure why you're trying to claim that it's somehow the norm.

Shoo, back to your precious Beta For Azerite.

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I don't understand the need to make everybody like what you like? Who even cares really? Bc lil Johnny boy over there doesn't like Classic that means you aren't going to enjoy it now?

"hurdur u mad xdDddDd!!1!"

Riveting argument. Riveting strawmans, too.

The only thing I see here that is ridiculous is how much you care. Let it go and enjoy the game (and life)

"oh mah gawd GET A LIFE!!!!"

says the person coming into a thread he disagrees with just to insult and belittle the OP

[qwerty123456]

Holy shit, that goalpost-moving.

1. Nobody plays vanilla for "10+ years" at a time. People play it on and off and take breaks.
2. Earthbound is a single player JRPG, not an MMORPG.


Very few people have done this, so I'm not sure why you're trying to claim that it's somehow the norm.

Shoo, back to your precious Beta For Azerite.

My point was people play and have continued to play WoW for years because of updates just like puzzles and what ever else people spend their spare time on. There was no goalpost moving. If retail went away how could classic be supported when everyone will eventually get bored because they have done everything. Sure some people might just let their subs renew automatically and not bother logging in for years or months at a time, but most people wouldn't.

From this post it sounds like you're putting everyone in the same boat and claiming no one will enjoy Classic, seemingly because you disagree. If so, that is complete nonsense.

However, if you're trying to say that *some* people look back at Vanilla and claim it's better without remembering it properly and are relying pretty much solely on that first time feeling, then I will agree with you.

It's the second one. I definitely think lots of people are going to enjoy classic.

[Zyky]

Not saying they were same, as I don't recall doing the anniversary event, but doing an MC clear for whatever reason when it was well on farm, was an utterly awful yawnfest that was loathed and frowned upon, and for a good reason. Those speedruns from private servers hardly represent the reality of almost any guild clearing it back in days.
But as long as it doesn't have the magic letters of LFR on it, people will be less harsh on it.

Even private servers weren't accurate representations. A lot of abilities on private servers were made up values or entirely missing, this was true for most of the raids and all the outdoor mobs(and several proc items). Molten Core in Vanilla was difficult for what it was, at the time, compared to todays standards it's a bland raid however. It will still be difficult for quite some time, as the only reason it was easy on Private Servers was because you could literally get better gear from other sources and walk in and roll it, that will not be the case with Blizzard having unlock phases.

[Inukashi]

Molten Core Anniversary was nothing like Molten Core Vanilla. You could literally sleep through the Anniversary Molten Core. In fact, most people had no interest in doing it multiple times because of the vast amount of people who did AFK it, making it take longer for no real reward.

So while he shouldn't be comparing Music to Video Games, you shouldn't be comparing the first raid ever put into the game(which had several weeks of progression before guilds killed Ragnaros in the first place) to a heavily watered down LFR mess.

The first molten core only took so long because it was bugged as hell.

When a new server launched, e.g. zulu it took 2 weeks for people to level up and kill ragnaros. Molten Core was easier than todays raids after the bugfixes and that's what 1.12 includes. Saying molten core was hard is just one of many things people remember wrong. Every boss was tank and spank and had just one ability like a fear or shit. Every 5-men dungeon boss today has more mechanic.

[Doomchicken]

All the time, I see people throwing around these bizarre and nonsensical reasons why Classic will "fail" and everyone will quit. You know the ones, "rose tinted glasses", "it's just nostalgia", "you're just trying to relive your childhood" and such. Like....is it impossible to simply enjoy a videogame? Not everything needs to have some deep, psychological ulterior motive behind it.

Except your entire post reeks of deep psychological ulterior motive behind it. Here's the old games that I have played within the last few years that I subjectively enjoyed. Baldurs gate 1 and 2, neverwinter nights 1 (all as the enhanced editions) warcraft 2, starcraft (played the cartooned version recently) x-com (and I mean the 1995 x-com) x-com: Terror from the deep and probably more. Do you know how many threads I've started about it? NONE. Do you know how many posts I've made about it? Literally this one. That's the thing about people who aren't insecure. They don't HAVE to make stupid posts to justify their fun.

[Zyky]

The first molten core only took so long because it was bugged as hell.

When a new server launched, e.g. zulu it took 2 weeks for people to level up and kill ragnaros. Molten Core was easier than todays raids after the bugfixes and that's what 1.12 includes. Saying molten core was hard is just one of many things people remember wrong. Every boss was tank and spank and had just one ability like a fear or shit. Every 5-men dungeon boss today has more mechanic.

Not once did I say it was hard, the difficulty was harder than the Anniversary event is what I said. Please don't put words in my mouth.

[ihate2beapessimist]

Theres an ongoing campaign on the internet to divide the playerbases, even though they have 0 interaction with each other.
Even in game, players in retail cant resist gossiping about classic, and classic players cant resist gossiping/whining about retail.
Back in the day it was alliance players vs horde players, nowadays everyone is bifactional so the newest "tribes" are team retail vs team classic.
Tribalism is just a part of human nature.

[Zyky]

and classic players cant resist gossiping/whining about retail.

This is not a truthful statement. I've been on 3 of the Full Pop servers and not one have I seen people gossiping or whining about retail. I've seen the regular lv1 trolls posting in trade saying they're "bored of Classic" and that they're "going back onto retail" trying to stir up drama, but I've yet to see people talk shit about retail on Classic either in any zone or in trade chat that I've been a part of.