Who's your favourite kind of night elf?

[Alvito]

Didn't they only do that ones.. and it can't be described as twisting magic at all.

Almost every sub group of elves is now or was addicted to some sort of magic and did horrible things to keep chasing that dragon. They are all junkies. San'layn, Sin'dorei, Quel'dorei, Shal'dorei, Ren'dorei and Kaldorei all fall into this. Dorei really just means junkie or fool at this point.

[Mace]

Almost every sub group of elves is now or was addicted to some sort of magic and did horrible things to keep chasing that dragon. They are all junkies. San'layn, Sin'dorei, Quel'dorei, Shal'dorei, Ren'dorei and Kaldorei all fall into this. Dorei really just means junkie or fool at this point.

Not really.. As of present, all the elves, Kaldorei, Quel'dorei, Shal'dorei, High elf (quel'dorei) - have all being cured of addiction. Sin'dorei also don't have an addiction problem any longer.

[Alvito]

Not really.. As of present, all the elves, Kaldorei, Quel'dorei, Shal'dorei, High elf (quel'dorei) - have all being cured of addiction. Sin'dorei also don't have an addiction problem any longer.

No such thing as an ex addict, they are just dry drunks. Each one of those groups are either currently or have done some of the worst things in lore to get their high. Due to their age almost every living elf is a murder of masses. They are one of if not the worst and most destructive group in the game. No other group goes as all in on the idea of the ends justifying the means or straight out selfishness and apathy for others as the elves do. @Mace Lets not forget that Naga and Satyrs are elves that took it too far too. There are plenty of other examples of large groups of elves that corrupted themselves or others because of their cravings for power. Elves should be purged from Azeroth.

[ravenmoon]

I see a lot of the horde belf fans have voted, all of a sudden, the druidic order leap frogs the highborne Moonguard order a bit exacerbated by those orders being the least well known for the kaldorei amongst the game only fans.

But that's okay, I just needed to confirm that most of the horde blood elf fans want the night elves as forest elves. Looks like you were right. Sorry to say but that crowd is some of the most possessive and jealous bunch in wow. They hate high elves to be playable on the alliance, and they dont want the magical side of the night elves to be available to the race , because they want it exclusively on their faction. So the horde gets the high fly magic and civilization of both elven groups while the alliance gets only the wood elf stuff for both night elves and high elves.

Consistently at the top has been the Prder of Elune, despite its popularity from WC3, it is nowmlagging behind the other groups in terms of exposure. However 8.1 was mainly about them, hence their predictable rise in popularity.

I was surprised that the demon hunters were so low at first, not surprised at the wardens who were a distant lady, but sadly the results are skewed by jealous horde blood elf fans who have piled on and voted for everything but the highborne/Moonguard order. The number of votes to the druids , wardens and demon hunters rose by the exact same amount, while the highborne order did not rise.

This is a targeted sabotage, and I know who is behind it..I will just say to them, no matter how you pile on votes like this to skew results, you cant stop how popular the nightborne or night elf highborne is..showing the night elven arcane civilization is hugely popular.

What a lot of the biased fools dont realise is that the popularity of the nightborne and the night elf mage.

The metric for the earlier sample was consistent with my predictions
The vote bomb tampering also exposed the horde nelf players
Despite the tampering, I got to see how truly popular things were, night elven arcana is more popular than druidsm, the Order of Elune is surprisingly the most popular, Illidan/Maiev characters are more popular than I thought they would be - I should have added Famdral Staghelm/Queen Azshara.
I noticed forests had a slim lead, but they got a massive boost in line with the horde belf fan vote bump, I estimate their like is still the most popular, but not by the margin the pole currently shows.

To be honest Here is how I feel.

1. Ilildan /Maiev character template is the most popular not because no one likes the Tyrande/Evenshade mould or the Malfurion/Farondis mould of night elf, it's cos theyre tired of the night elves being so passive and walk overs - the more aggressive/angry types are going to be the ones desired cos fans are sick of the fial.

Also after Teldrassil, they feel that sort of attitude is the best.


2. Elune Order is the most popular because it's hot female chicks - which most boys like, feminists would also like that because the women are powerful, and Lesbians would also like that b/c it's a near all female raid. I also agree WC3 makes them more popular, but they also have a bit more mystery, I think people have been tired of duridsm.

it is interesting you observe that druidsm/wardens/Illidari were all below the arcane order till a rush happened. If only you had disclosed the identities of the votes, we could seen how many horde belf players voted for it as you described.

Now I don't know about your findings here, but I suspect it is true - horde belf fans I noticed are very against the night elves having any of Kaldorie arcane aspects. they feel it is too similar to the blood elves - but that's nonsense. It isn't that similar at all, and that's like saying humans shouldn't have the aracane because it is too similar to the blood elves - but they don't say that. I think i'ts an elf jealously thing. I also noticed this position coming up after the nightborne joined the horde.

The better argument would be saying that it would be too similar to the nightborne - but I disagree strongly b/c it is like saying you shouldn't have high elves because they're too similar to blood elves - which is rubbish, the game is big enough and more realistic with both high elves and blood elves than with just one of the others. Also it is silly because the night elves also have the strong Druidic and Elune orders which when you add highborne arcana, actually makes the night elves overall feel different from the nightborne, even though hgihborne and nightborne are identical. So you may have similar looking architecture when it comes to cities and racial assets, but the feel is different.

Especially if you model the kaldorei highborne after the Farondis type noble benevolent people, who the hgihborne were before they got addicted and super arrogant from Azshara's favour.. like Farondis managed to hold on to being despite most of his caste , especially the executive branch at the palace becoming dark ike they were.

3. Temples and Cities should really have been one option, because they are "civilization" parameters and in the pre-sundering era, every city would have temples. It is also possible that temples had small towns surrounding them of similar architecture.

If you add the two results, it is no surprise the city/temple architecture is more popular. Forests are always cool, but it is insane for people to think that cities aren't needed or liked. They did beautiful city architecture for night elves when you see old versions like Darnassus and newer upgraded versions like Surmar and Zin'Azshari warbringers .. who wouldn't like that?

I have noticed some people really like the forest home thing - which is fine for in the forests, but not for ALL the night elves, but again I have noticed only horde belf fans pushing hard for the forest theme to be the ONLY one available to the night elves. It's the same childish competitive behaviour that had people wanting the deves to buff their faction over anyone elses, or their class - which was common in topics during Classic to Cataclysm era. I think the same attitude is coming out in those Belf fans. The night elf stuff looks nice, and they're fine with it on the horde with the nightborne, but not on the alliance, for no other reason than jealousy.

Yet that's exactly what the night elves need.

[Arikara]

Your poll options are all irrelevant. The thing that makes Nelves good is how they were written in Wc3. Which order they happened to come from was of little consequence.

Conversely, what makes them bad is how they were written since then.

[Mace]

Your poll options are all irrelevant. The thing that makes Nelves good is how they were written in Wc3. Which order they happened to come from was of little consequence.

Conversely, what makes them bad is how they were written since then.

That's your opinion, but night elves had a lot about them written that wasn't shown in WC3 too.. The War of the Ancients was been written when Warcraft 3 and wow were in development.

What you saw of the night elves in WC3 was just a side of them that is totally them, what yous aw in wow classic was another aspect of them not seen much in Wc3, that is also totally them, and what you saw in legion and cata with mages, highborne, nightorne, demon hunters etc, was also another part of them from as far back as 2002 that took nearly 18 years to show up in game.

The beauty of all this is that you can choose which aspect of the night elves you like and enjoy that. Same with humans or any other rrace.

why people feel that when it comes to elves - only 1 thing must define them, especially if there are other elf groups .. this is really regressive and smacks of old fantasies where writers and developers couldn't be bothered to flesh out other races aside from humans - now Warcraft does that, I intend to appreciate it to the max.

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No such thing as an ex addict, they are just dry drunks. Each one of those groups are either currently or have done some of the worst things in lore to get their high. Due to their age almost every living elf is a murder of masses. They are one of if not the worst and most destructive group in the game. No other group goes as all in on the idea of the ends justifying the means or straight out selfishness and apathy for others as the elves do. @Mace Lets not forget that Naga and Satyrs are elves that took it too far too. There are plenty of other examples of large groups of elves that corrupted themselves or others because of their cravings for power. Elves should be purged from Azeroth.

I don't think given the nature of arcane sources and that of alcohol or drugs that you can call it the same. It has some aspects that are alike, for example you can understand addiction to substance if you are around drug/alcohol abusers, gives you a rough idea in terms of how difficult to wean off. but that's where the similarities end.

Those addicted to magic don't necessarily behave in bad or destructive ways, furthermore, arcane isn't like drugs at all. the arcane actually improves your health, a closer comparison would be food addiction - Fel magic would be more like drugs.

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To be honest Here is how I feel.

1. Ilildan /Maiev character template is the most popular not because no one likes the Tyrande/Evenshade mould or the Malfurion/Farondis mould of night elf, it's cos theyre tired of the night elves being so passive and walk overs - the more aggressive/angry types are going to be the ones desired cos fans are sick of the fial.

Also after Teldrassil, they feel that sort of attitude is the best.


2. Elune Order is the most popular because it's hot female chicks - which most boys like, feminists would also like that because the women are powerful, and Lesbians would also like that b/c it's a near all female raid. I also agree WC3 makes them more popular, but they also have a bit more mystery, I think people have been tired of duridsm.

it is interesting you observe that druidsm/wardens/Illidari were all below the arcane order till a rush happened. If only you had disclosed the identities of the votes, we could seen how many horde belf players voted for it as you described.

Now I don't know about your findings here, but I suspect it is true - horde belf fans I noticed are very against the night elves having any of Kaldorie arcane aspects. they feel it is too similar to the blood elves - but that's nonsense. It isn't that similar at all, and that's like saying humans shouldn't have the aracane because it is too similar to the blood elves - but they don't say that. I think i'ts an elf jealously thing. I also noticed this position coming up after the nightborne joined the horde.

The better argument would be saying that it would be too similar to the nightborne - but I disagree strongly b/c it is like saying you shouldn't have high elves because they're too similar to blood elves - which is rubbish, the game is big enough and more realistic with both high elves and blood elves than with just one of the others. Also it is silly because the night elves also have the strong Druidic and Elune orders which when you add highborne arcana, actually makes the night elves overall feel different from the nightborne, even though hgihborne and nightborne are identical. So you may have similar looking architecture when it comes to cities and racial assets, but the feel is different.

Especially if you model the kaldorei highborne after the Farondis type noble benevolent people, who the hgihborne were before they got addicted and super arrogant from Azshara's favour.. like Farondis managed to hold on to being despite most of his caste , especially the executive branch at the palace becoming dark ike they were.

3. Temples and Cities should really have been one option, because they are "civilization" parameters and in the pre-sundering era, every city would have temples. It is also possible that temples had small towns surrounding them of similar architecture.

If you add the two results, it is no surprise the city/temple architecture is more popular. Forests are always cool, but it is insane for people to think that cities aren't needed or liked. They did beautiful city architecture for night elves when you see old versions like Darnassus and newer upgraded versions like Surmar and Zin'Azshari warbringers .. who wouldn't like that?

I have noticed some people really like the forest home thing - which is fine for in the forests, but not for ALL the night elves, but again I have noticed only horde belf fans pushing hard for the forest theme to be the ONLY one available to the night elves. It's the same childish competitive behaviour that had people wanting the deves to buff their faction over anyone elses, or their class - which was common in topics during Classic to Cataclysm era. I think the same attitude is coming out in those Belf fans. The night elf stuff looks nice, and they're fine with it on the horde with the nightborne, but not on the alliance, for no other reason than jealousy.

Yet that's exactly what the night elves need.

Well, tbh, the priestess of Elune is an integeral part of pre-sundering civilization, it's not the same without them.


This is the one area that nightborne civilization differs. While the ifluence of the priesthood in the psychie of the nightborne might still exist, the Order is absent.. so they aren't a true mirror of kaldorei society in the pre-sundering era, just the arcane/highborne dominated side of it.

in this the nKaldorei have true potential to be unique even in acivilziation setting, because they'd have their highborne and priesthood operating as a society or potentially could, with priesthood influences, the arcane kaldorei would definitely feel a lot more different than the blood elf one.

the druidic influence would also make them look different, add lots of green spaces like in Zin'Azshari warbringers or Suramr, then add ancients and druids tending the parks, and you get the influence of that side of the ngiht elves.

The nightborne have these two elements missing. that's fine, they are an allied race, they're only suppose to be showing a part of the kaldorei, not the whole. For the whole you need the nighte lves, there you will get the arcane civilziaiton as wella s the druidic culture and the PRiesthood involvement.

[eurojust]

Did you ever check her writing and actions in tft? In all of these she just comes off as thirsting for malfurion 24/7

That's perfectly normal for a night elf to worship someone like Malfurion.

Your poll options are all irrelevant. The thing that makes Nelves good is how they were written in Wc3. Which order they happened to come from was of little consequence.

Conversely, what makes them bad is how they were written since then.

With the faction system they had no choice but to make the Night Elves part of the Alliance and turn them into purple High Elves. Therefore you can forget the Wc3 Night Elves.
Same way they chose to put Blood Elves in Horde to balance the population (and that worked well).

[Sevyvia]

It doesn't matter, at this point. Blizzard continues to shit on the night elves, and at this point I'm just too tired of the story to stick with them through any more of it.

[Arikara]

why people feel that when it comes to elves - only 1 thing must define them, especially if there are other elf groups .. this is really regressive and smacks of old fantasies where writers and developers couldn't be bothered to flesh out other races aside from humans - now Warcraft does that, I intend to appreciate it to the max.

The only thing that is regressive is the writing they've since received, such as, for instance, the unforgivable sin of just sort of making them be okay with mages. No, fuck that, you don't just overcome a ten-thousand year long bias in the form of a deliberately organized culture in the span of a few years because "well the humans are doing it and nothing too bad has happened yet, except for that one time a formerly human mage summoned Archimonde again. Let's forget that happened instead of demanding our new allies cease and desist."

I'd have no complaints if their writing since W3 was actually good, but it isn't. They do not live up to their potential, not in books - least of all Knaak's - or ingame. Vanilla did them the most justice, but was still insufficient.

[FuxieDK]

My favorite elf, is a dead elf. Hate them all equally, Night, Blood, Void AND Nightborne..

[12yoPlayedSinceClassic]

I prefer a scorched one after the meeting with Sylvannas.

Also - there is the stereotypical rumor:

People who perfers elfs are usally unattractive and low-selfesteem people who compensate.

People who perfers less "elegant" races are also people, who are not in a need to look pretty.

[Darknessvamp]

Do Goldshire Elves count? It's entertaining to poke fun at them.

[Starla]

Where's the option for I'd love to play a female Night Elf if they'd just stop hopping up and down like a moron?

[InfernalDark]

A dead one

[ravenmoon]

A dead one

I prefer a hot one.