Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Endus]

The line I was quoting, and maybe I misread it, sounded like "take back all the guns with military force". That's not changing the 2nd, that's repealing it.

If I read it right, then, no thanks. The average civilian doesn't need a weapon of war, but disarming the American population is not just Strawmen used by gun nuts, it's completely unAmerican.

If I read it wrong, and it was just about assault rifles (or some other specific class of firearm, like I dunno, grenade launchers or long-distance rifles) the idea of armored military going door-to-door is still pretty scary. As much as I'd have to admit it would reduce the problem, it's definitely not the way I would recommend at all.

I mean, sure, it's unAmerican.

But this is in a context where regular mass shootings is American.

If you want things to change, you need to be open to rethinking what it is to be American. Or openly accept the price.

Edit: To be a bit more clear, my issue with the 2nd Amendment isn't "OMG people might have guns". Canadians have guns, too. We're okay. It's the entitlement and the gun culture the 2nd has fostered that's the issue. And I really don't think there'll be long-term change unless Americans are willing to confront that.

[Hilhen7]

The line I was quoting, and maybe I misread it, sounded like "take back all the guns with military force". That's not changing the 2nd, that's repealing it.

If I read it right, then, no thanks. The average civilian doesn't need a weapon of war, but disarming the American population is not just Strawmen used by gun nuts, it's completely unAmerican.

If I read it wrong, and it was just about assault rifles (or some other specific class of firearm, like I dunno, grenade launchers or long-distance rifles) the idea of armored military going door-to-door is still pretty scary. As much as I'd have to admit it would reduce the problem, it's definitely not the way I would recommend at all.

The alternative could be to allow mass shootings to continue and it can become a part of America's identity...

Fast food, gas guzzling cars, and mass shootings. The American lifestyle!

[Breccia]

Oh I forgot to mention, the ammo in question are 0.223 and 5.56 caliber...wait, aren't those NATO rounds? You can buy those?...which are used in many American assault weapons, or weapons designed to have the properties of assault weapons. 0.223 is a relatively common caliber in civilian hunting rifles, if I remember correctly, so this will cost them sales.

Wal-Mart is also blocking handgun sales in Alaska, which means that's all 50 states in which Wal-Mart won't sell handguns.

And finally, they are asking their customers not to open-carry their firearms in the store. Considering I can't bring an empty propane can inside either, I think that's more than fair.

[Breccia]

The alternative could be to allow mass shootings to continue

Yes, but there are plenty of things that can be done to slow that down over time. And even a full-on military confiscation will miss plenty, you know that.

[Hilhen7]

Yes, but there are plenty of things that can be done to slow that down over time. And even a full-on military confiscation will miss plenty, you know that.

Right now the problem seems to be growing, not slowing down.

And nothing is really being done to resolve the issue...


Plenty of things could be done, but no one seems willing to do anything.

[Breccia]

Plenty of things could be done, but no one seems willing to do anything.

I will 100% agree with that one.

[Has lost its way]

Apart from being wrong that guy is also batshit crazy.

I'd love to see where in the Bible does it say "And I give you the right to an AR15 with high capacity magazine."

Our rights are not "God given" just as the Constitution wasn't written on a stone tablet and handed to Jacob Shallus on Mount Denali.

Fucking Texas man.

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Liberal democracies do not become communist states through free elections. They become FASCIST states, usually through people voting in a regime promising to PROTECT their "rights" (which is usually just an euphemism for oppressing ethnic minorities or the evil socialists).

Examples include Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, Austria before its annexation, Hungary in the 1930s and there are quite a few others.

Due to the close relationship between liberal democracies and capitalism, whenever there's a drift towards authoritarianism its always a drift to the right and not the left.

And this is what we are seeing today repeating in the US, the current Republican administration is curtailing everyone's rights, but they tend to specifically target minorities, so in the historical traditions of fascism, you are OK with that.

Cutting the rights and protections of immigrants legal and illegal, of women, of native Americans, of Latinos and African Americans, of gays and trans folk etc.

Again, but you are OK with that because you have fascist sympathies.

I would like to see a communist regime with a armed populace then...

I do lean right I won't lie about that but you really don't have to go in this really round about way to accuse me of it.

The point I am making that any right surrendered is not easy re-obtained.

[Shakadam]

A shooting in America, just another day.

Someone is hungry in Africa, just another day.

They're both comparable in the way that I don't even react anymore lol.

[PhaelixWW]

Oh I forgot to mention, the ammo in question are 0.223 and 5.56 caliber...wait, aren't those NATO rounds? You can buy those?

5.56 NATO was derived from the civilian .223 Remington, and they are often (though not always) interchangeable. It shouldn't be a surprise that it's commonly available. It's a common varmint hunting caliber, but it's not really heavy enough for most big game (deer, etc.).

[Galactis]

Now that Walmart is "scaling back" the sale of ammunition and guns, I wonder if Walmart should consider "scaling back" the sale of knives and cutlery as well?

I mean, it's a business preference to sell whatever they want sure. Congress is not going to do anything, which means businesses need to start doing something on their own. Start sending the message of, "Hey look, we are not allowing guns in our stores, not selling them or ammo either". That will probably slow and decline the number of shootings. Maybe...

Just because, a place puts up a sign that says, "No Guns". Is not deterrence. Background checks also, is not a deterrence. These things only make it harder for the law abiding, gun wielding citizen. People who break the law, aren't following the law. Making it harder to get guns should be a thing, making it harder to get guns if you have a felony should be a thing. I mean if you have a felony and have a gun, don't you go to prison automatically for 5 years or something.

A new law should be SWEEPING in gun reform, not just some small, slight add on that like for instance, "Bump Stocks". Do nothing to stem the problems with guns and shootings. The two main issues here: GUNS and PEOPLE. I didn't say mentally unstable people either because, most of the time people are just basic run of the mill person who just decides they've had enough of peoples shit and just go shoot up a theatre.

Federally charge people who commit gun crimes, instant felony 5 years probation, 5 years prison term. Something rash needs to be done.

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A shooting in America, just another day.

Someone is hungry in Africa, just another day.

They're both comparable in the way that I don't even react anymore lol.

Shit, I haven't once in a VERY long time ever seen any Russian news EVER, about any crime EVER. I know they have their own news and whatnot but, ffs everyone in the world hears about our news and they're like, "We are not going to the USA". Bound to get shot there!

Maybe in Russia, they just drink so much vodka and everyone is chill because, it's so damn cold most of the year they don't give a rats ass.

[Galactis]

Oh I forgot to mention, the ammo in question are 0.223 and 5.56 caliber...wait, aren't those NATO rounds? You can buy those?...which are used in many American assault weapons, or weapons designed to have the properties of assault weapons. 0.223 is a relatively common caliber in civilian hunting rifles, if I remember correctly, so this will cost them sales.

Wal-Mart is also blocking handgun sales in Alaska, which means that's all 50 states in which Wal-Mart won't sell handguns.

And finally, they are asking their customers not to open-carry their firearms in the store. Considering I can't bring an empty propane can inside either, I think that's more than fair.

HEADLINE NEWS: Moose attacks rising outside Walmart stores; Customer banned from carrying guns regret their life choices.

lol

[mvaliz]

Explain how more guns = less gun violence. You can't...

Don’t feed the hypocrites

[Wyrt]

Explain how more guns = less gun violence. You can't...

If that was the case then the US would have the least gun violence in the world and places like Australia would have the most.

[Roxinius]

Oh I forgot to mention, the ammo in question are 0.223 and 5.56 caliber...wait, aren't those NATO rounds? You can buy those?...which are used in many American assault weapons, or weapons designed to have the properties of assault weapons. 0.223 is a relatively common caliber in civilian hunting rifles, if I remember correctly, so this will cost them sales.

Wal-Mart is also blocking handgun sales in Alaska, which means that's all 50 states in which Wal-Mart won't sell handguns.

And finally, they are asking their customers not to open-carry their firearms in the store. Considering I can't bring an empty propane can inside either, I think that's more than fair.

good on walmart their virtue signaling here will help gun shop owners small businesses > shit hole big corporation

[Stormdash]

Walmart is big enough to absorb the hit, but it will be a hit no question - that was poor commerce and not even particularly good PR. Absolutely nobody in "cancel culture" would ever condescend to shop at Walmart or admit it if they did, and they won't start because of this. The only reason this won't be as damaging as Dick's is because you can get cheap groceries and prescriptions at Walmart.

[Galactis]

They are releasing 5000 greeter style employees this year because, they raised wages last year. So I am certain it will balance out just fine. Sometimes, I don't mind the greeters, I usually say nothing to them anyway.

[Unholyground]

Um, you mean, just a specific list of weapons, like assault rifles, right? Because otherwise, that's 100% against the Constitution.

Ya exactly, the ones that make mass killing easier.

[Galactis]

What happens when the government bans rifles and then the killing continues but, this time it is with more hand guns? Ban hand guns? I demand we ban the use of sporks, they serve no purpose in civilized society lol.

[Svifnymr]

HEADLINE NEWS: Moose attacks rising outside Walmart stores; Customer banned from carrying guns regret their life choices.

lol

When I went to Alaska, there was a story of the Juno WalMart. They built the parking lot where a small pond once stood, not realizing that small pond was commonly used by bears when they awoke from hibernation. So for years they had issues with bears waking up and wandering around walmart parking lot looking for water.

[Breccia]

Ya exactly, the ones that make mass killing easier.

Okay. Still scary, but at least it's not 1775. Thanks for clarifying.