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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Halyon View Post
    Because I should give a fuck about what some rando on the net sees as a 'win'. K. Gotcha.
    I mean.. you seem very interested in entertaining the reply constantly and being involved.

    I still stand by the fact that if Hunters did more DPS than mages that the odds lay with more people playing hunter. Prove me wrong. Until then its just another W for me.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly32 View Post
    I dont know when Deadzone was removed but I know Ammo and Pet Happiness were around until end wrath/start of Cata. So how did people manage to play Hunters for those first 3 expansions if they were so bad and had all these terrible mechanics? Hell if I remember correctly Hunters did quite well at the end of TBC and stayed strong in Wrath only falling off a little once ICC rolled around. I mean no one was on the same level as Armor Pen stacking Fury Warriors but Hunters werent garbage tier by any means.
    These *terrible* mechanics added much flavor to being a hunter. Blizz should have kept the ammo and feeding pets well into current retail. You want to keep a pet? gotta feed it so it doesn't run away. You have a gun or a bow? gotta keep ammo on hand.
    This could just be me, but i think it adds to being a hunter.
    The hunter hoe with the least beloe.

  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathasil View Post
    Back in 2004/5 people mostly cared about easy soloplay while leveling, that's where hunters shine and that's why they were so plenty.

    Now people know that hunters are among the weaker DPS at lvl60 and basically only are wanted for the rage dispell. I swear i see 10times more mages than in 2005.
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  4. #144
    Just a reminder that there are not "so few Hunters" as claimed.
    They are the 3rd most played class in Classic.

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    Bad dps, 1-10 is hell, crappy classic pet ai, ammo and deadzones. Just to name a few reasons. Its like the class you pick if you want inconvenience on top of your inconvenience.
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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisnumbers View Post
    Just a reminder that there are not "so few Hunters" as claimed.
    They are the 3rd most played class in Classic.
    Where are you getting your stats from?

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    I LOVED my hunter in Vanilla. Was excited and having a blast.

    Until half the classes in PVP figured out they can keep you locked in the 5-8 yd range and blow you up and NOTHING you can do about it.

    Every Frost mage I came across would Frost Nova me then get in the deadzone and I was dead without being able to fight back at all. Biggest bullshit in the game. Then premades figured it out and PVP for a Hunter came to a slow agonizing death.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Life-Binder View Post
    this is all true tbh, but Im curious - does any of this change in TBC (or Wrath ?)

    when specifcially did hunters stop being the above quote and got closer to retail hunters ? or it was a very slow gradual change ?
    I started playing WoW mid-TBC and hunters were pretty good in Black Temple and Sunwell (and the earlier raids). I was always towards the top of the meters so I'm not sure when things changed, but it did.

    EDIT: for the most part hunters were pretty good in raids in future xpacs too. I quit towards the end of MoP, but we were always towards the top in DPS (depending on the fight) in most raids.
    Last edited by Bellatrex-Saga; 2019-09-10 at 03:24 AM.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly32 View Post
    So far I have run Census Addon on 6 different servers, on both sides, trying to find a new home as my last one was like 30% Alliance and 70% Horde. I knew there would be lots of Mages and Warriors but they fact that only Druids seem to be less played than Hunters is kinda shocking. I figured Hunters would be #3 most played right after Mages and Warriors. They are easily the best solo levelers. Dont count Mage soloing by AoE grinding since pretty much everything is camped at this point making AoE grinding in fact a lot slower than just chain pulling singles non stop. Mage AoE grinding was probably awesome for the first few people who no lifed past the rest of us filthy casuals. However, now every good AoE camp is permacamped making the whole thing inefficient. At least thats the experience im having with my 28 Mage.

    They have the tools to pretty much deal with any enemy PvE or PvP out in the world while leveling in the forms of snares, traps, and pet abilities. They have aspect of the cheetah, which is a great alternative until you can afford your mount. Also great for turning tail and hauling ass if you see 3 enemy faction members coming your way. Yet hardly anyone is playing Hunter, why is that? I started playing Vanilla about halfway through WoW's launch and I remember seeing Hunters everywhere. So why all of a sudden are they a garbage class if Blizzard supposedly didnt change much from how things originally were during the game's launch?
    Really? The first day I only saw warriors but few of them seem to be left at higher levels and a lot seem to have moved over to hunters. I mean, there are hunters litteraly everywhere. Hunters and warlocks. Classic leveling is pain as anything but a pet class (oh and mage).

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    also having to buy (or make) bullets/arrows to just play your class is horrible.
    A small price to pay for being the most overpowered leveling class and being able to solo almost anything out in the world.

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaktar View Post
    Where are you getting your stats from?
    https://wowpop.appspot.com/

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisnumbers View Post
    Just a reminder that there are not "so few Hunters" as claimed.
    They are the 3rd most played class in Classic.
    no they arent:

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/fairbanks
    Behind War, Mage, Rogue, Priest, and just barely ahead of Warlocks

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/herod
    Behind War, Mag, Rogue, Priest, Lock

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/stalagg
    Behind War, Mag, Rogue, Priest, and again just barely ahead of Locks.

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/sulfuras
    Behind War, Mage, Rogue, Priest

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/whitemane
    Behind, War, Mage, Rogue, Priest

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/skeram
    Behind War, Mag, Rogue, Priest, Lock

    Maybe they are #3 on some backwards ass carebear server like Pagle or Atiesh. However, on real servers they are 5th or 6th.
    Last edited by Lilly32; 2019-09-10 at 04:35 AM.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly32 View Post
    no they arent:

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/fairbanks
    Behind War, Mage, Rogue, Priest, and just barely ahead of Warlocks

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/herod
    Behind War, Mag, Rogue, Priest, Lock

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/stalagg
    Behind War, Mag, Rogue, Priest, and again just barely ahead of Locks.

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/sulfuras
    Behind War, Mage, Rogue, Priest

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/whitemane
    Behind, War, Mage, Rogue, Priest

    https://wowpop.appspot.com/realms/skeram
    Behind War, Mag, Rogue, Priest, Lock
    You're picking just a few servers while I'm looking at the entire total.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyco View Post
    Bad dps, 1-10 is hell, crappy classic pet ai, ammo and deadzones. Just to name a few reasons. Its like the class you pick if you want inconvenience on top of your inconvenience.
    My first main in vanilla was a hunter. My first toon in classic is a hunter. Regardless of what people say, it is a fun class.
    You play the game to have fun, do you not? If you don't find it fun or convenient to play a hunter..you don't need to. Simple as that. You just have to keep an ample supply of ammo when you do a raid or quest grind. That's not hard to do, given that you can buy ammo pretty much everywhere there is a quest hub with vendors. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisnumbers View Post
    You're picking just a few servers while I'm looking at the entire total.
    Seriously though, who gives a f about what class is popular and what class isn't. What people care about is if the class is enjoyable.
    The hunter hoe with the least beloe.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisnumbers View Post
    You're picking just a few servers while I'm looking at the entire total.
    I also specifially stated in my OP I was running Census on 6 servers in order to find a new home. I wasnt even trying to figure out class popularity, only faction numbers. i just noticed the pattern of low Hunter numbers. Im basing topic on what I saw. Also the servers where they are #3 are all carebear servers. On real servers they are 5th or 6th.

  16. #156
    I see lots of hunters so I dunno.
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  17. #157
    Meta is to spam dungeons with spell cleave and aoeing mages / warlock. It is pretty hard to find spots as a dps if you are not a mage or a warlock.

    I know many who rerolled from rogue and hunter to mage. Leveling speed is much higher (after 25ish) and they get much more gold as well from spamming dungeons. On top of that you avoid wpvp if you are alliance (as it seems they are pretty much outnumbered on every pvp server, and it is getting worse).

    In my guild, hunters are 45-55 where dungeon spamming mages have already been 60 for awhile and rich and the rest of us 35-45.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisnumbers View Post
    Thanks, interesting data!

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Gratlim View Post
    Meta is to spam dungeons with spell cleave and aoeing mages / warlock. It is pretty hard to find spots as a dps if you are not a mage or a warlock.

    I know many who rerolled from rogue and hunter to mage. Leveling speed is much higher (after 25ish) and they get much more gold as well from spamming dungeons. On top of that you avoid wpvp if you are alliance (as it seems they are pretty much outnumbered on every pvp server, and it is getting worse).

    In my guild, hunters are 45-55 where dungeon spamming mages have already been 60 for awhile and rich and the rest of us 35-45.
    I wonder how many servers had a first 60lvl toon be a hunter. Westfall's first 60 was a hunter.
    The hunter hoe with the least beloe.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Muajin76 View Post
    I wonder how many servers had a first 60lvl toon be a hunter. Westfall's first 60 was a hunter.
    Nice! Do you know if he was solo questing or carried by cleave teams dungeons spamming? If it's the former that is really cool. Reminds me of the old Joana guide to leveling as hunter.

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