The bell tolls for thee, Johnny. John Bolton fired by President Individual-1.

[Thekri]

But when you really think about it, he didn't. He made the right decision for the entirely wrong reasons. Bolton was fired for doing something "good" and Trump fired him for telling him no.

That's a whole new level of scary.

Seems like the normal level of scary to me. Haven't you been paying any attention to this administration? The only things more horrifying then the stuff the media is constantly talking about is all the horrible things they aren't talking about because Trump tweeted something dumb. Sacking people that try to curb his worst impulses isn't new behavior, he has been doing it for 40 years.

[Edge-]

So, bad news for the, "But Trump doesn't want a hawk!" defenders...Kupperman, who will serve as acting national security adviser, is a longtime adviser to Bolton and shares many of his hawkish views.

Bonus points: He was on the board for the Center for Security and Policy for almost a decade. Who are they?

Well...

Their founder has a host of bigoted conspiracy theories including one that Obama was a secret Muslim and that Huma Abedin worked for the Muslim Brotherhood (both objectively false).

https://www.businessinsider.com/meet...adviser-2019-9

More details here. This isn't a trade-up, this seems to be a trade-down as almost every personnel change with the Trump administration is.

[cubby]

Seems like the normal level of scary to me. Haven't you been paying any attention to this administration? The only things more horrifying then the stuff the media is constantly talking about is all the horrible things they aren't talking about because Trump tweeted something dumb. Sacking people that try to curb his worst impulses isn't new behavior, he has been doing it for 40 years.

This seems at least a little worse than normal, given who the person saying "no" was. Lol re paying attention to this administration. Good point about his 40 year history of never wanting to hear "no".

If/When he loses in 2020, those two months are going to be truly frightening. Like Constitutional Crisis frightening.

[mvaliz]

This seems at least a little worse than normal, given who the person saying "no" was. Lol re paying attention to this administration. Good point about his 40 year history of never wanting to hear "no".

If/When he loses in 2020, those two months are going to be truly frightening. Like Constitutional Crisis frightening.

I'm expecting the stupid to start even before that. I'm firmly expecting the Alt-Reicht to make up some kind of false election "Scandal". You know, like that ACORN shit in '08 or somesuch nonsense... and that's when Dumbass Dump's going to issue one of those Executive Orders he hated Obama on so much to attempt to cancel the elections until the ""Scandal" is fully investigated".

But, somehow making it past that point, oh yeah - it's going to be exactly what I've been saying since 2016, it's going to be a series of very violent and stupid mass-shootings all across America - and that's not even considering what Fuckface Frump/GoP is going to do! >_<

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So, bad news for the, "But Trump doesn't want a hawk!" defenders...

..haven't we already proved that to them with Bolton?

I know, I know... it's good to remind them! Just sayin'... ;P

[Zaydin]

In something I already posted on the Shitshow thread, in 'you can't make this shit up' news, Tucker Carlson is declaring Boltons ouster a great day for America because, wait for it, Bolton was 'a Man of the Left'.

If Douchebag McBowTie actually believes that he is completely insane.

[Kardagh]

Excellent move from President Trump honestly, the less neo-con boomer war-hawks wanting to spend young blood on vampiric wars for the world's resources the -better-.

Though there's no pleasing those with chronic trumpitis it seems, everything ORANGE MAN BAD does is somehow, -somewhy-, a grave and terrible act.

[Edge-]

Excellent move from President Trump honestly, the less neo-con boomer war-hawks wanting to spend young blood on vampiric wars for the world's resources the -better-.

Fixing your own mistake isn't an "excellent move". And his replacement isn't any better - https://www.businessinsider.com/meet...adviser-2019-9

Though there's no pleasing those with chronic trumpitis it seems, everything ORANGE MAN BAD does is somehow, -somewhy-, a grave and terrible act.

I mean...literally everyone warned him that Bolton was a hawkish nutter who wanted to wage war with NK and Iran.

And he hired him anyways.

And now he's firing him because...he's a hawkish nutter who wants to wage war with NK and Iran.

You get no praise for that because it's not praise worthy. Just like you don't get praise for changing into a clean pair of pants when you shit yourself.

[Shadowferal]

Excellent move from President Trump honestly, the less neo-con boomer war-hawks wanting to spend young blood on vampiric wars for the world's resources the -better-. Though there's no pleasing those with chronic trumpitis it seems, everything ORANGE MAN BAD does is somehow, -somewhy-, a grave and terrible act.

Oh so you supported Trump's little photo op...y'know him bringing the Taliban on US soil to have pics taken?
But I suppose you being on Trump's side of things have zero issue with terrorists in general as long as they say nice things about Trump...

[Kardagh]

Fixing your own mistake isn't an "excellent move".

Well it's certainly better than a terrible move and it's certainly better than an "okay" move.

Plotting it on the scale of brilliance is subjective honestly, but objectively the move is a net positive.

[Deletedaccount1]

Excellent move from President Trump honestly, the less neo-con boomer war-hawks wanting to spend young blood on vampiric wars for the world's resources the -better-.

Though there's no pleasing those with chronic trumpitis it seems, everything ORANGE MAN BAD does is somehow, -somewhy-, a grave and terrible act.

How can you possibly think having the Taliban welcomed inside Camp David on 9/11 is a good idea?

[Breccia]

Plotting it on the scale of brilliance is subjective honestly, but objectively the move is a net positive.

So, you're saying, by the use of "net positive" that Trump is better of having hired Bolton, then firing him, than never hiring him in the first place? That does not seem to match your earlier statements. Please clarify.

[Draco-Onis]

Well it's certainly better than a terrible move and it's certainly better than an "okay" move.

Plotting it on the scale of brilliance is subjective honestly, but objectively the move is a net positive.

No an okay move is better than fixing a terrible move.

[Kardagh]

How can you possibly think having the Taliban welcomed inside Camp David on 9/11 is a good idea?

Where did I say anything on that matter?

Big neo-con warhawk out of office, net good.

Bad optics on the probable context, but I doubt that would bother President Trump that much.

[Edge-]

Well it's certainly better than a terrible move and it's certainly better than an "okay" move.

If he had a replacement lined up and ready to go that wasn't a Bolton acolyte with a side of racist conspiracy theories, I agree.

But he doesn't, so we have Diet Coke Bolton as a replacement.

Again, this wasn't something surprising. Everyone knows who the fuck John Bolton is and what he believes, he's had a decades-long career being consistent on those issues. Trump just didn't fucking listen because he never does.

[Shadowferal]

Where did I say anything on that matter?

Seems to me you don't know why Bolton got the axe.
Kudos to Knadra for giving you that much.

[Breccia]

Big neo-con warhawk out of office, net good.

So that sounds like admission Trump should never have hired Bolton in the first place. Good to know we're on the same page. I accept your apology.

[Deletedaccount1]

Where did I say anything on that matter?

Big neo-con warhawk out of office, net good.

Bad optics on the probable context, but I doubt that would bother President Trump that much.

That guy was a voice of reason around Trump because he told harsh truths, particularly as of late. Trump wants a pyrrhic victory to parade around for 2020 like an Afghanistan withdrawal but that has terrible consequences. This is not a good thing.

[Felya]

Where did I say anything on that matter?

Uhm... Trump hired him, because he is a war hawk. Do you think McMasters isn’t a war hawk? We never got to find out if Flynn was, since he got busted for being a foreign agent. What makes you think the next guy Trump hires won’t be a war hawk? Bolton didn’t get fired after Iran or North Korea... he got fired after getting in Trump’s way of having the fucking Taliban at camp David, around 9/11.

Edit: In secret to boot... I don’t think people are focusing enough on Trump inviting Taliban in secret. If Obama did that... people’s heads would literally explode...

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That guy was a voice of reason around Trump because he told harsh truths, particularly as of late. Trump wants a pyrrhic victory to parade around for 2020 like an Afghanistan withdrawal but that has terrible consequences. This is not a good thing.

I don’t think you have to worry about it, judging by Trump’s track record. Other than Flynn, Trump has a type for this position. Start shitting your pants if it’s Kushner or a Trump.

[Breccia]

Bolton didn’t get fired after Iran or North Korea... he got fired after getting in Trump’s way of having the fucking Taliban at camp David, around 9/11.

I really want Bolton to go in front of the cameras to explain. Thing is, he won't. He knows Trump is his best chance for war in the Middle East, especially with ISIS on the rise and Israel about to kick every beehive within 500 miles. Saying "I left because Trump wasn't warring enough" won't help that.

[Felya]

I really want Bolton to go in front of the cameras to explain. Thing is, he won't. He knows Trump is his best chance for war in the Middle East, especially with ISIS on the rise and Israel about to kick every beehive within 500 miles. Saying "I left because Trump wasn't warring enough" won't help that.

He did text Fox News morning show, to tell them he wasn’t fired. So... we might hear something... Trump, Fox News and Bolton will need to get together and get on the same page.