Has leveling become nothing but dungeon cleave runs?

**Ghostile** · 2019-09-11, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Fred Skinner

No, i actually blame the developers which turned WoW into a relentless competition driven meritocracy, by focusing on eSports and limiting the best items and intrinsic rewards to premade group play only.

In the end, it was the devs who created their toxic playerbase. The game is not really about playing together with friends, but playing together with those who perform. That, and only that, turned the WoW community into a gold and min-maxing focused cesspool.

Thats pretty much what the game has always been

**Fred Skinner** · 2019-09-11, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Ghostile

Thats pretty much what the game has always been

Not so much at the start. Nowadays, the level of meritocracy and competition based design is unbearable.

If the game design only adresses the most toxic part of gameplay, where you leave friends behind, and only group up with those who perform, it is no wonder the community becomes what it is today.

**Aphrel** · 2019-09-11, 05:29 AM

As a rogue, ive gotten the true vanilla experience of running across a continent for 5 quests because im sure as hell not getting into any dungeon farmgroups thats for sure.

**Fred Skinner** · 2019-09-11, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Aphrel

As a rogue, ive gotten the true vanilla experience of running across a continent for 5 quests because im sure as hell not getting into any dungeon farmgroups thats for sure.

Gameplay first.

**Ghostile** · 2019-09-11, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Fred Skinner

Not so much at the start. Nowadays, the level of meritocracy and competition based design is unbearable.

If the game design only adresses the most toxic part of gameplay, where you leave friends behind, and only group up with those who perform, it is no wonder the community becomes what it is today.

Thats exactly how it was in Vanilla for raids.

**Fred Skinner** · 2019-09-11, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Ghostile

Thats exactly how it was in Vanilla for raids.

No, it was not. Shadowpriests and hunters had been in raids and dungeons in classic as well. Just only because the game was new.

The aged community, nowadays, focusing on min maxing, just builds their groups based on op classes and op class combos.

That changed. And was different in original classic.

The aged community is a direct product of the game design bias of the developers, which continued to develop WoW.

**Ghostile** · 2019-09-11, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Fred Skinner

No, it was not. Shadowpriests and hunters had been in raids and dungeons in classic as well. Just only because the game was new.

The aged community, nowadays, focusing on min maxing, just builds their groups based on op classes and op class combos.

That changed. And was different in original classic.

Human nature goes towards the most viable solution. Its not exactly a new thing.

In vanilla the raid comps were more diverse because the information on how shit certain specs were wasnt know before it was too late and thus taking a worse spec was much easier thsn picking a specific.

But if you did have the option of taking anything over a ret paladin, you took it.

**Nizah** · 2019-09-11, 05:41 AM

I personally did myself few cathedral runs and few ZF runs, no more then like 1 level per each dungeon, just to be ahead of the zone im questing for abit. Im level 49 and 47 levels i got from questing and i saw alot of people questing where i quested and that includes both factions.

**Soimu** · 2019-09-11, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Masternap

I don't know if it's just my server but it feels like nobody is playing the game normally anymore. I actually don't see that many people questing, but I see everyone constantly spamming LFG looking for warriors, mages and healers for cleave runs.

I know I don't need to participate, but it's honestly ruining my experience that people just don't seem to be able to stop this try-hard bullcrap and just enjoy the game. It's the exact same crap the ruined the community on retail.

this are the same players that ruined retail wow and now infecting classic as well.

**Ghostile** · 2019-09-11, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Soimu

this are the same players that ruined retail wow and now infecting classic as well.

You mean the private server guys who figured out cleaving dungeons is the fastest way?

**IIamaKing** · 2019-09-11, 05:59 AM

Looks at the 50 players in Gadget, the 15 in the Pirate cove, the 8-9 I saw on the way from Gadget to Pirates cove.

No, Op, plenty of people still questing.

**Aphrel** · 2019-09-11, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Masternap

I don't know if it's just my server but it feels like nobody is playing the game normally anymore. I actually don't see that many people questing, but I see everyone constantly spamming LFG looking for warriors, mages and healers for cleave runs.

I know I don't need to participate, but it's honestly ruining my experience that people just don't seem to be able to stop this try-hard bullcrap and just enjoy the game. It's the exact same crap the ruined the community on retail.

By all means, go to STV and try questing.

And there you have the answer as to why everyone is doing dungeons. Because the world cant support the amount of players that blizz has crammed into each layer.
Nobody wants to stand around waiting for mobs to spawn and try competing for mob tags wherever they go.

**Hinastorm** · 2019-09-11, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mukind

why do people who never played p servers talk like they know? lol

go away

this is how the people who brought u classic do things. Laughably ignorant comment

Pro tip - if u didn't paly p servers. You have no idea how the people who wanted classic play teh game. Obviously

Slow leveling's only boon is you can semi afk for it. No1 does these terrible quests for the flavor lol

So combative and unpleasant in every single post you put out.

**Bryntrollian** · 2019-09-11, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest

im actually glad this is a thing it keeps all these d-bag mages out of questing zones AE farming. I love watching them get ganked and not helping

Originally Posted by phattsao

With you on that. I watched an allied mage die trying to AOE farm mobs I needed for a quest (and so did like 5 other people). He asked me for a rez. Sorry pal, them's the breaks.

There's that good Classic community I've been hearing so much about but have yet to actually see.

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Originally Posted by alturic

True. To an extent.

Right now no-one gives a shit about who you are or what kind of player you are. Once the dust settles and server communities take off that will change quickly. Now that’s not to say you won’t find groups. You’ll just find groups with other people who don’t get invites.

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Except that there’s literally a right way and all other ways. ��

You forgot one thing though, the Classic servers are much much larger than Vanilla's original servers.

**Soluna** · 2019-09-11, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Yunaqt

Because slowly walking cross country sucks, rather just blizzard spam and eradicate some farm of humans 300 times or dungeon spam.

Less travel time.

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You okay? Seem to be freaking out over nothing resorting to insulting someone guessing the OPs potential class.

Are you okay? The guy who made the post was passive aggressive af. If you fail to read between the lines, not my problem. Stop defending your boyfriend butterbeast.

**Yunaqt** · 2019-09-11, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Soluna

Are you okay? The guy who made the post was passive aggressive af. If you fail to read between the lines, not my problem. Stop defending your boyfriend butterbeast.

So, good to see you're incapable of responding to anything without an attempt at an insult. That's fine though, can safely add you to ignore knowing you bring absolutely nothing to any discussion on these forums.

**ButterBeast** · 2019-09-11, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Soluna

Because you just assume that the OP plays some shit class that is left out due to not being a mage, a healer, or a warrior, and I wanted to get through your thick skull (because it must be thick if you don't get it still), that you don't necessarily have to be excluded from these runs due to your class to find this farming method retarded.

Literally my first sentence should have been enough to understand why I said that to you. I stated that your assumption was stupid.

Don't forget to write another response to me. I'm definitely going to read them.

**erifwodahs** · 2019-09-11, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Fred Skinner

No, it was not. Shadowpriests and hunters had been in raids and dungeons in classic as well. Just only because the game was new.

The aged community, nowadays, focusing on min maxing, just builds their groups based on op classes and op class combos.

That changed. And was different in original classic.

The aged community is a direct product of the game design bias of the developers, which continued to develop WoW.

so min-maxing community is blizz creation? shall we blame league builds, dota builds, Runescape builds and literally any other game which is slightly competitive on Blizzard? How could they have possibly stopped it's community from min maxing culture of gaming today? Disconnect them from network after vanilla got launched? Or discourage minmaxing? Impossible. There are always advantages or there is perfect balance. A balance in the game means mechanically and number wise all classes should work identically.

**Fred Skinner** · 2019-09-12, 05:11 AM