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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=159799/a...delviewer:10+0

    I hope to see something interesting with the night elves undead!
    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Moon_Priestess_Amara

    Seems like someone found out who this npc was prior. Fairly minor NPC living in Teldrassil. My first encounter with a mounted NPC that made me really want one of those cool sabercat mounts as a noob. Unfortunately that leaves no hint as to her role in future content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    I mean, they're Undead now...why do you think they would act like they did when they were alive? Pretty well established that becoming undead really changes one's perspective on a lot of things.

    Seems to me you're entire argument for them being a "problem" is that you just don't like it.
    It's nothing new, that's for sure. Play through the Silverpine questline and you see plenty of it.

    Val'kyr: Yo, you're dead now. You either serve us or get put back in the ground where we found you.
    Zombies: M'kay, fair enough.

    With the handwave excuse as well of some of them being briefly "crazed" after being rezzed and able to be directed towards enemies.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Pretty well established that becoming undead really changes one's perspective on a lot of things.
    I mean either night elves will turn on their own kind with the slightest provocation, which undermines their entire character as a race, or Forsaken don't actually have any true free will and they're bound to serve Sylvanas from their inception, which undermines their entire character as a race. Pick one.
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  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    I mean either night elves will turn on their own kind with the slightest provocation, which undermines their entire character as a race, or Forsaken don't actually have any true free will and they're bound to serve Sylvanas from their inception, which undermines their entire character as a race. Pick one.
    You do understand that it isnt a necessarily binary thing right? One thing that has been established is that the Forsaken do not have the same emotional drives they had when they were alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    If it gives the Alliance Lightforsaken then Horde can have more Night Elves.
    Lightforsaken use the Human Model though. If they give NE to the Horde again, a second BE race aka HE should be given to the A.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    One thing that has been established is that the Forsaken do not have the same emotional drives they had when they were alive.
    And another thing that's been established is that they're still the same people, capable of free thought and choosing their own path.

    Sira Moonwarden or whatever her name is goes from fighting the Forsaken and being killed by them to serving them and attacking her former allies in the space of like ten minutes. Therefore, either she (and by extension every Night Elf that allowed itself to be raised) was always an asshole that just needed the slightest push to turn on her people, or the Forsaken only ever had an illusion of free will which degrades their entire theme and existence.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    And another thing that's been established is that they're still the same people, capable of free thought and choosing their own path.

    They're not really the same people, though. They have the memories of who they were when they were alive...but their emotional composition is entirely different.

    Yes, free thought...but free thought from a completely different perspective than they had in life. Being killed and risen as undead would have a pretty strong effect on your faith.
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  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    You are right, i forgot about her being a special encounter.

    Nonetheless, she was still in some random ass corner in the universe not being anywhere near Azeroth.
    And she was hiding, so not exactly able to do anything flashy.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Amaterasu65 View Post
    Lightforsaken use the Human Model though. If they give NE to the Horde again, a second BE race aka HE should be given to the A.
    Why not? Give me high elves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    Oh good, they're still running with this travesty.

    Wonder how they'll shit on night elves next?
    Travesty? Its mind manipulation and control, happens all the time

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  10. #90
    Sooooo.....a night elf with red eyes? I mean im more impressed with NE dk skin changes, this just seems kinda lazy.

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    Why is she named after a famous porn star? lmao.

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    Where does this model come from though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    Why not? Give me high elves.
    I'm down. Then everyone will shut up about it, especially those in the HE thread.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    I mean, they're Undead now...why do you think they would act like they did when they were alive? Pretty well established that becoming undead really changes one's perspective on a lot of things.

    Seems to me you're entire argument for them being a "problem" is that you just don't like it.
    I missed the part where being undead turns you into a genocidal maniac against your own race, immedialty siding with the people who killed you.
    Sylvanas doesn't even have to use mind control so that her victims obey to her. She's better than the Lich King. I wonder why she even lost against Arthas in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra View Post
    They'll obviously make Undead Kaldorei a playable allied race for the Horde, their capital city being a Forsaken-ish version of Darnassus.
    Then the odds are Alliance will get Lightforged Undead....not sure how I feel about that.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=159799/a...delviewer:10+0

    I hope to see something interesting with the night elves undead!
    I hope they stop using drugs and realize that they're really pulling the plonkers of not even just Night Elf fans but even just any person who mildly respected Night Elves as a race in the Warcraft universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alixie View Post
    I was willing to ignore that the Night Elves:

    Lost Teldrassil
    Lost their homeland
    Were genocided
    Killed by vampires
    Were sent on a suicide mission in Zuldazar
    Watch Sadfang get pardoned by Anduin and enjoy movie quality cinematics based on their tragedy
    Watch their two strongest heros get bitch slapped by Sylvanas's fuckboy
    Were left out of the confrontation with their archenemy Azshara
    And have their sentinel glaives restricted to demon hunters

    IF they stopped and went no further with the undead Night Elves turned Sylvanas worshippers cringefest. If they are going ahead with this garbage, count me out of the next expansion. After bfa, do they really want to piss off and lose more players?
    You were willing to ignore all of those?

    Also, don't forget that a Warden and a military figure as well as a bunch of archers just heel-turned from fighting vehemently to protect their people to serving those who want to wipe them out after a little resurrection magic. (No seriously, no mindcontrol, pinky promise!)

    I've basically given up on Night Elves as a whole. And here I thought "A Little Patience" was a low point. Wow..

    At this point, it really seems like Battle for Azeroth was little more than an excuse to shit on Night Elves some more. They're finally wrapping up the awful, contrived, hamfisted faction war story, but they just can't help but want to get a few last shots in at Night Elves and just take away as much as possible from them before this expansion ends.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I hope they stop using drugs and realize that they're really pulling the plonkers of not even just Night Elf fans but even just any person who mildly respected Night Elves as a race in the Warcraft universe.
    They haven't been respected since WoW vanilla. I don't get why it would change. Remember Tyrande letting the Orcs killing her "sisters" in Ashenvale? Remember Tyrande letting the Goblins killing her "sisters" in Azshara? Remember that meanwhile she assisted to the wedding of Thrall in their most sacred place? Remember about the Mountain Giants, the chimaera, etc. not being part of the Night Elves anymore because Metzen said so? Remember Cenarius being okay with Orcs cutting his trees and becoming neutral (got his balls cut by Grom in the process probably)? And i could keep going on like this.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Briselody View Post
    And another thing that's been established is that they're still the same people, capable of free thought and choosing their own path.

    Sira Moonwarden or whatever her name is goes from fighting the Forsaken and being killed by them to serving them and attacking her former allies in the space of like ten minutes. Therefore, either she (and by extension every Night Elf that allowed itself to be raised) was always an asshole that just needed the slightest push to turn on her people, or the Forsaken only ever had an illusion of free will which degrades their entire theme and existence.
    I think the answer lies in what happens when they are dead, may be for whatever reason they go to the same place where silvanas went and then they are offered a deal from the valkyrs "we get you out of this place but you serve silvanas", so they are force to go with it, i mean its that or hell.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by eurojust View Post
    I missed the part where being undead turns you into a genocidal maniac against your own race, immedialty siding with the people who killed you.
    Sylvanas doesn't even have to use mind control so that her victims obey to her. She's better than the Lich King. I wonder why she even lost against Arthas in the first place.
    I'm just going to leave this here.
    Upon first being raised, a Forsaken does not have free will. It takes more concentrated magic to release an undead's mind. Free will is one of the cornerstones of Forsaken culture, with the great capacity for both good and evil that it entails. However, some undead, especially those who die in combat or under extreme stress and are raised soon after, enter into a violent, frenzied state. Undead in this state are easily manipulated and their rage is often directed at the foes of those who raised them. After the effects wear off, if the risen corpse has not been destroyed, they are given the same ultimatum that other Forsaken are offered: join the Dark Lady or return to the grave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piamonte View Post
    I think the answer lies in what happens when they are dead, may be for whatever reason they go to the same place where silvanas went and then they are offered a deal from the valkyrs "we get you out of this place but you serve silvanas", so they are force to go with it, i mean its that or hell.
    This. Exactly this is what I believe is happening with the Fosaken Kaldorei. They were witnesses of the corruption of the Shadowlands, the Old Gods feeding with the souls of the death, or werever is happening in there, and the secret counterattack of Sylvanas against they.

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