Undead night elf priestess PTR 8.2.5

[KainneAbsolute]

Tyrande needs to take action! Undead NE vs Night Warrior. Edge vs Edge

[Hitei]

They haven't been respected since WoW vanilla. I don't get why it would change. Remember Tyrande letting the Orcs killing her "sisters" in Ashenvale? Remember Tyrande letting the Goblins killing her "sisters" in Azshara? Remember that meanwhile she assisted to the wedding of Thrall in their most sacred place? Remember about the Mountain Giants, the chimaera, etc. not being part of the Night Elves anymore because Metzen said so? Remember Cenarius being okay with Orcs cutting his trees and becoming neutral (got his balls cut by Grom in the process probably)? And i could keep going on like this.

Remember Tyrande killing her own "sisters" in WC3?

[Lollis]

I always found Sira the Warden and Delaryn joining Sylvanas immediately after being raised to be kind of ridiculous so I'm worried at where this is going

Not just ridiculous but also dumb as fuck.

Either:

The Forsaken have free will in which case Sira and Delaryn's actions cannot be explained.
Why would they suddenly join the side that killed them and destroyed their home?
The basic lore behind the existing forsaken is essentially that they were set free of the lich king's control by Sylvanas who leads them as a nation against those that shun them.

Or

The Forsaken don't have free will in which case numerous npcs who are seperate from Sylvanas' Forsaken, such as Alonsus Faol, cannot be explained.

The writers are fucking stupid.

[Hitei]

Not just ridiculous but also dumb as fuck.

Either:

The Forsaken have free will in which case Sira and Delaryn's actions cannot be explained.
Why would they suddenly join the side that killed them and destroyed their home?
The basic lore behind the existing forsaken is essentially that they were set free of the lich king's control by Sylvanas who leads them as a nation against those that shun them.

Or

The Forsaken don't have free will in which case numerous npcs who are seperate from Sylvanas' Forsaken, such as Alonsus Faol, cannot be explained.

The writers are fucking stupid.

You realize you don't have to always use mind-controlling magic, right? This isn't an either or situation. Some come back willingly, some refuse and stay dead, and some aren't strong enough to refuse.

Also this bolded part is just completely wrong. Faol wasn't raised by Sylvanas' val'kyr, he was brought back by the scourge and freed when Ner'zhul's control weakened with the rest of the initial Forsaken. The question of free will is with those who were raised after the Lich King's death and the adoption of the val'kyr into the Forsaken, particularly the most recent new Forsaken.

[Piamonte]

This. Exactly this is what I believe is happening with the Fosaken Kaldorei. They were witnesses of the corruption of the Shadowlands, the Old Gods feeding with the souls of the death, or werever is happening in there, and the secret counterattack of Sylvanas against they.

i dont know how you jump to that conclusion, all im saying is that the night elves went to the same place silvanas went when she commited suicide atop icecrown citadel, and they acccept the valkyr offer to get out of there. There is even a night elf in the Before the Storm book who hints in some way about his soul never finding peace because of the circunstances he is going to die.

[Alixie]

Eh, I got nothing. I only play Warcraft for the NEs and i'm totally down the "why bother" route. Kind of waiting this one out just to see the end. If they are actually raising priestesses then... well I got nothing left but goodbye they are dismissing the last little unique tie that made me fall in love with the race. Admittedly that was already strained with Sira, like seriously a Warden? but an actual member of the sisterhood is just too far for me.

So Sylvanas successfully destroys the Night Elf kingdom, takes all of their land, AND takes their Wardens, Sentinels, and Priestesses. the writers claim to not like writing Night Elves, but they have no problem stealing their lore and characters and giving them to the Horde. The only thing missing are undead Nelf Druids who spread Blight everywhere instead of plants.

Also, wasnt Amara one of the priestesses that chose to stay behind and soothe the dying Night Elves in the Temple of Elune? And then her body was wrongly placed intact on the beach during the Night Warrior scenario? They were probably pissy that fans postponed their plans to make Forsaken Night Elf priests, and always intended to have edgy "fallen priestesses" who start an Anti-Elune cult.

[Xath]

You do understand that it isnt a necessarily binary thing right? One thing that has been established is that the Forsaken do not have the same emotional drives they had when they were alive.

Almost like they are being mind controlled hmmmmmmm

[Directionalk9]

Oh good, they're still running with this travesty.

Wonder how they'll shit on night elves next?

They’re Night Elves... they’re being treated exactly as they should be.

Also, they’re fictional, not a big deal.

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

This NPC could also just be part of the next secret.

[Fred Skinner]

Why is she named after a famous porn star? lmao.

Shouldnt she be namend "Tracer" or "Mercy" if blizzard wanted to incorporate a person like that?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Almost like they are being mind controlled hmmmmmmm

No, not at all like they are being mind controlled. They're still making their own decisions. Consider Raleigh of the Undercity

"Valdred, once my good friend, was my wife's murderer. Although I am incapable of grieving, I do yearn for revenge. If you kill Valdred and bring me his cursed hands, then I will reward you.

I last heard he was at the Greymane Wall in southern Silverpine, trying to flee into the kingdom of Gilneas."

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Why is she named after a famous porn star? lmao.

Not the first time a porn star has had a cameo in WoW:

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=46343/mia-the-rose

[Kalarm]

It's quite interesting. Maybe it really is just for a one event kind of deal. It's a pretty skin but it's mostly a color change.

It does kinda present problems if they are alliance or horde.

If they are alliance, that means NE get 2 special skins while many races still don't even have 1.

If they are horde, that would mean the horde now has 2 NE skins while the original faction only has 1.

Is it because with the whole highborne debacle they will give them to the alliance and thus need to be fair on both side? So even though it makes 2 of the base races have more choices in their "enemy" faction, it has some form of equality as BE are spread in VE and HB while NE are spread into undead NE and NB?

Maybe they will be a neutral race? They get to choose between following Sylvanas/the horde or deserting to the alliance?

Maybe all races will be neutral in 9.0 and there won't be factions so blizzard is just going all out in pumping new races to play? Maybe all races will have a playable UD variant too, who knows. If the next expansion is truly the shadowlands it would be a fitting new customization option. We got DK after all... The only problem is worgen which can't quite be UD, unless we get Arugal's worgen?

[Alopex Major]

I'm surprised there's any night elf players left. Of course they are going to keep kicking your teeth in if you give them money for it.

Yeah, as a nelf main since 2006 I noped out as soon as I heard that a "feature" of BFA was genocide for my race. How fun!

The worst part of it is, even if they manage to right the ship and make 9.0 mechanically fun with good features, the lore is still completely fucked. There's no way to recover from that aside from pulling an extreme "it was all a dream" kind of thing, which I don't see them doing. Particularly given who is in charge of the story.

[Vasoka]

Yeah, as a nelf main since 2006 I noped out as soon as I heard that a "feature" of BFA was genocide for my race. How fun!

The worst part of it is, even if they manage to right the ship and make 9.0 mechanically fun with good features, the lore is still completely fucked. There's no way to recover from that aside from pulling an extreme "it was all a dream" kind of thing, which I don't see them doing. Particularly given who is in charge of the story.

Imagine not playing a game because your favorite pixel race is being treated "unfair" (not even that). BfA has plenty of reasons to unsub, but this must be the most ridiculous yet.

Raising the Night Elves makes perfect sense for Sylvanas at this point and I actually think it's a fairly interesting plot. The nelves have fucked up the world already out of their arrogance and vanity and are generally xenophobic clowns, so in my books they got exactly what they deserved.

A different matter, however, is why are those night elves instantly loyal to Sylvanas after being raised. All of the Forsaken should have free will as per Sylvanas' own standards. "More on that later", maybe.

[Chain Chungus]

The answer is obvious. Sylvanas used Val'kyr to raise the Night Elves. This wasn't your run of the mill Forsakening.

Who else used Val'kyr? The Lich King of course. And all of his minions had no free will unless we broke the spell for them.

Why would she treat her enemies with kindness, making them "one of the group?" She wouldn't. She would break them, and make them do her bidding. That is her personality.

Why would the Night Elves ever give up their patriotism, even when facing the shadowlands? You have people who fight to the last stand for their country, yet somehow a little death is scaring them towards betrayal? Give me a break.

This is the Rise of the Lich Queen.

[Hyral]

Imagine not playing a game because your favorite pixel race is being treated "unfair" (not even that). BfA has plenty of reasons to unsub, but this must be the most ridiculous yet.

How is that ridiculous at all? This is a game, it's a product for entertainment. If someone is not being entertained for any reason the logical thing is to stop consuming that product. It's not a relationship or a contract. There may be many reasons for you to dislike the expansion but his reason is not any less valid. Dropping a piece of entertainment because the story in it is taking turns that make little sense or are just disliked is pretty common even, just look at what happened to GoT. You don't owe any loyalty to a product.

[Vasoka]

The answer is obvious. Sylvanas used Val'kyr to raise the Night Elves. This wasn't your run of the mill Forsakening.

Who else used Val'kyr? The Lich King of course. And all of his minions had no free will unless we broke the spell for them.

Why would she treat her enemies with kindness, making them "one of the group?" She wouldn't. She would break them, and make them do her bidding. That is her personality.

Why would the Night Elves ever give up their patriotism, even when facing the shadowlands? You have people who fight to the last stand for their country, yet somehow a little death is scaring them towards betrayal? Give me a break.

This is the Rise of the Lich Queen.

She uses Val'kyr to raise Forsaken since Cataclysm? And they supposedly have free will.

[matrix123mko]

I'm down. Then everyone will shut up about it, especially those in the HE thread.

Also, make separate faction for night elves. That would make Alliance players less annoying too.

[eurojust]

I'm just going to leave this here.

Leave what? This isn't an answer to what i said. Like I said, why did Ner'zhul even bother with the mind control in the first place, if the people you kill and rez as undead are so loyal to you. Why does Sylvanas hate Arthas so much and not love him like the Night Elf Undead love Sylvanas?
Is it because Sylvanas is such a Mary Sue that the people killed by her troops immedialty side with her and want to genocide their own kind?

[Eggroll]

More shitting on nelves incoming. Thanks, Blizz, I guess