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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Government regulation is never a good thing. The last time they discussed lootboxes, it was brought up whether they should forcibly limit the time people can spend on games to help curtail it.

    I’d rather put up with shitty micro transactions than have my Government implement another stupid, authoritarian law.
    If they refuse to regulate their own shit then someone has to step in to regulate it, that's the sad reality. If your backyard is so full of shit that it stinks up the neighborhood then someone else has to step in and do it.
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    The people who cry for censorship aren't going to be buying the game anyway. Censoring it, is going to piss off the people who were going to buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Government regulation is never a good thing.
    Modern gaming apologist: I once tasted diarrhea so shit is fine.

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    These people thinking they can push gambling as "ethical and fun" are fucking retarded and deserve to be pointed out as such. I'm glad this shit is reaching the mainstream finally. A game like 2k20 shouldn't be marketed to children if you can spend money in it and it has bright lights and slot machines in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenjen View Post
    The companies went over board with their changes and have pushed the line again and again, they create a new line and then cross it. Jim Sterling had warned YEARS ago it was going to attract attention if they kept going too far. which he predicted because each year stockholders asked for profits exceeding last years and thats just not sustainable. It pushes them to go to extreme lengths with MT's and lootboxes.

    Without a doubt the government intervention will be over reaching and miss the point. Its going to hurt us too but hopefully game companies will learn a damn lesson about self control.

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    Government doesn't give a shit about gambling.

    They just want their cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Government regulation is never a good thing.
    For the corporations looking to profit from gambling.

    I’d rather put up with shitty micro transactions than have my Government implement another stupid, authoritarian law.
    I'd rather use my democracy and get the government to ban loot boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Government regulation is never a good thing. The last time they discussed lootboxes, it was brought up whether they should forcibly limit the time people can spend on games to help curtail it.

    I’d rather put up with shitty micro transactions than have my Government implement another stupid, authoritarian law.
    "I would rather unlicensed and unregulated gambling than not."
    -you, right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    "I would rather unlicensed and unregulated gambling than not."
    -you, right now.
    I’d rather that than have the government use it as an excuse to push through a stupid, unrelated law like the one discussed last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    I’d rather that than have the government use it as an excuse to push through a stupid, unrelated law like the one discussed last time.
    Well tough luck, a lot of noise has come from gamers saying that video games can be addictive, dangerous to children and affect behaviour in real life so the government can't really ignore that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathpath View Post
    It sucks that game companies push things far enough for the government to step in. Basically its lose lose situation.

    Either devs will escalate their unethical behavior, or the government will over regulate games because they're a bunch of old fogeys that have no understanding of the industry.
    That's my take on this. The politicians have been trying to find excuses to get their hands on and "regulate" the gaming industry forever and not for the best of reasons, while treating games as the boogie man for everything going wrong in society (forget about gamergate and all that, this started way before it and funnily enough from the other end of the political spectrum). This mess with lootboxes though, unfortunately, gives them a very valid reason to get involved and also to do so under the pretence of good morals.

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    Runescape 3 actually got brought up as an example recently. No surprise, when some guy became infamous for maxing every skill in the game and having hundreds of millions of leftover gold in a week by maxing out his credit card on microtransaction events. (which, as of right now, they have just released the same event again, but with a chance of DOUBLE rewards on the xp lamps. Naturally.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Wow is that a stupid comparison. Kinder Eggs do not have different grades of toys insider; they are all the same crappy toys. And plus, you get the actually chocolate as a reward.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coldkil View Post
    Even better description: you buy a chocolate egg and a toy for a fixed price. It's not like you're hunting for a specific part to complete the toy that's randomly placed in 1% of the eggs.

    Hell, even when there were the miniatures collection you had 3x egg packs where 1 was a guaranteed miniature, teh collection were comprised of like 10 ones and were basically piss easy to complete. Plus, given the diffusion (at least here) everyone had doubles to exchange for free - and you could even write to Kinder and you could buy the missing ones if you wanted.

    There was literally a minimal if not zero RNG involved.
    Completely agree, and it's really underhanded for her to try and piggyback on the largely innocent pleasure that a Kinder Egg (or other equivalents) offers to children. If I was a parent, those comments would just infuriate me and end up in a hard pass on any of their games for my children. How stupid does she think parents are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    How stupid does she think parents are...
    Pretty stupid I can imagine, which is close to reality.

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    EAs latest response is "they strongly disagree about the gotv findings and will continue fighting this"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Pretty stupid I can imagine, which is close to reality.
    Some might be, but looking at mine, if you insult their intelligence while trying to milk them, they won't buy your products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apelsinjuice View Post
    EAs latest response is "they strongly disagree about the gotv findings and will continue fighting this"
    Well that's not depressing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apelsinjuice View Post
    EAs latest response is "they strongly disagree about the gotv findings and will continue fighting this"
    belgium already banned most of it
    so hoping most countries will follow that example eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    Completely agree, and it's really underhanded for her to try and piggyback on the largely innocent pleasure that a Kinder Egg (or other equivalents) offers to children. If I was a parent, those comments would just infuriate me and end up in a hard pass on any of their games for my children. How stupid does she think parents are...
    Kinder Eggs are analogous to aesthetic-only loot-boxes but a better comparison would be trading-card games as there are often rewards that ,affect in-game performance.

    Really though the problem is more to do with the way microtransactions (not just loot-boxes) can be marketed in games and the ease with which large sums can be spent. Unfortunately financial control and advertising standards are a lot less sexy than gambling for people who are spreading moral outrage about video games corrupting children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Game companies could easily sell the cosmetics on their own but they realize 99% of the garbage they make nobody wants, like sprays in Overwatch for example.

    But instead they make it like gambling so you keep rolling until you get "the good stuff", meanwhile you are paying far more than you ever would for buying the one thing you want. If the content was of a good quality and priced correctly, they wouldn't need to make it into a game of chance. They would just sell it.

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    I wouldn't even attempt to make the case that anyone who cares about this ACTUALLY cares about children. They just hate loot boxes and the scummy practices that they encourage, and are latching onto this as a way to make boomers who know nothing about video games actually do something.

    Because if you mention MUH CHILDREN to boomers they act immediately, at least outside of America they do. I would say that about America, but 23 grade schoolers were mowed down and America did nothing so that doesn't hold true.
    I personally dont care much about lootboxes, i dont buy them. However i have problem with ESRB and PEGI being bought party. There is no logical reason a game to be rated E for everyone, then tell parents to be careful about this game, turn parental control on it! So its not for everyone? It would be like Lego box saying age 6 months up, then lego discaliming, you must build it for your children and glue it to not have a choking hazard. You know what they do, lego are 8 years + on the box instead.

    I mean porn, gambling, alcohol, weed, all adictive legal stuff thats regulated for adults only. Lootboxes should be the same period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    I’d rather that than have the government use it as an excuse to push through a stupid, unrelated law like the one discussed last time.
    Regulation is bad argument is something only a child would say or somebody is so young they never worked in their entire life or someone that regulation stop from their unethical profit. Regulation is why we dont have smog all over the place anymore. Regulation is why building catch fire less often. Regulation is why less people die in working accident. If theres no regulation on things, people with no ethic can make maximum profit, cut every corner imaginable. Good call. Look at fifa, its the example of cutting corner in every other industry, its a game that became so barebone it probably doesent even cost more then 10 million to "make" every year, but rakes in nearly a billion in cash. Even Disney cant put up such low effort for profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    But you are paying for exactly what you are going to get? In case of Overwatch, its either skin, emote, spray or gold. It's guaranteed you will get one of those and it doesn't impact game-play. How is that gambling? If you cannot control yourself with this, you have issues.
    Because of the random chance of WHAT you'll get. It doesn't matter you're guaranteed to get a thing. It's the element of chance being present, not the possibility of getting nothing as a result, that makes it gambling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Kinder Eggs are analogous to aesthetic-only loot-boxes but a better comparison would be trading-card games as there are often rewards that ,affect in-game performance.
    That's kind of where I fall on this particular issue.

    Sure, loot boxes are "gambling". So are TCG packs, not to mention other trading cards. So are a lot of carnival games. So are those vending machines that sell toys in bubble packs. You know you're getting "something", but you can't pick what you want, directly. And to date, these things haven't been flagged as some kind of risk factor to kids.

    When I was growing up, if I wanted to blow my allowance on Magic: The Gathering cards, I could (and did) do that. Was that dumb? Probably. Did I get a metric fuckton of garbage that's worth nothing? For sure. Still did it. Don't consider myself to have been a victim of anything shady.

    If the issue is kids stealing their parents' credit card information and spending hundreds or thousands of dollars, that's on the parents' not keeping their card secure and their kid who thinks stealing is okay. They'd steal to fund whatever hobby they had.


    And I can separate my position on legality from my position on "good game design". There's a lot of shitty lootbox mechanics out there; if you're getting anything but cosmetics, it's a P2W kind of thing, and I don't like that. So I don't play those games. That's where user agency comes in. "Reward" companies with shitty game mechanics by not playing their games and not buying their shitty lootboxes. If plenty of other people do so, you're just not the target market, apparently. And that's fine.


    This whole stuff about "OMG it's GAMBLING" just seems right in line with the Satanic Panic of the '80s, targeting Dungeons and Dragons, to me. Same kind of pearl-clutching over fundamentally nothing.


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