Why Sylvanas was chosen as Warchief

[thilicen]

Really hoping this shadowlands thing is just a well done fake. If we and others can return from the realm of the dead / come and go as we want that just kills off any stake there ever was.

[tyrlaan]

Really hoping this shadowlands thing is just a well done fake. If we and others can return from the realm of the dead / come and go as we want that just kills off any stake there ever was.

Stakes? What stakes? Random toons can be taking an evening stroll, wander upon a corpse, and resurrect it. And they have many possible ways to do this.

[Feanoro]

The dreadord posing as Sylvanas is an excellent method actor. Even thinking as her.

Hey now, defending the Lich Queen is serious business. There will be no joking like this!

[Mehrunes]

The dreadord posing as Sylvanas is an excellent method actor. Even thinking as her.

Well, that or Sylvanas is so devious she broke the fourth wall and faked her thoughts to fool the unsuspecting reader. While at the same time being a mouthbreathing moron failing at everything she touches in BfA.

Hey now, defending the Lich Queen is serious business. There will be no joking like this!

Is your inability to make a post that isn't a nonsensical shitty straw-man something akin to writer's block?

Infracted.

It's not like not retreating would have improved the situation any, either.

Yeah, there's also that. I mean, the moment we got back from Broken Shore Khadgar was all "woops, that was pointless, we can't seal the portal without the newest mcguffins anyway so go get them". But for some reason it doesn't register with everyone.

[Feanoro]

Is your inability to make a post that isn't a nonsensical shitty straw-man something akin to writer's block?

Thank you for proving you have no sense of humor whatsoever, whining about a joke. Also, a strawman assumes I'm making an argument about something. By the way, for future reference, pointing out logical fallacy doesn't constitute an argument either, no matter how much you like to pretend it does. Not that you're using it in good faith anyway, just to try to shout down posts you don't like.

[Wangming]

Well, that or Sylvanas is so devious she broke the fourth wall and faked her thoughts to fool the unsuspecting reader. While at the same time being a mouthbreathing moron failing at everything she touches in BfA.

To be fair is Anduin better?

Behold the Siege of Lordaeron:

CHAAAARGE

Oh shit, the plague. Didn't think of that. Retreeat!!!

Yay, Jaina saved us. Chaaarge agaaaaain!

Oh shit they have an army. Didn't think of that.

Yay, Alleria saved us via deus ex machina. Time to charge again.

Well I'm glad Jaina saved us cause I walked into an obvious trap for the third time in the same battle.


And all he did since then was react. Literally the only smart thing he did entire expansion was send Genn into Kul Tiras just in case Jaina fucks things up.

[Shelly]

Except we know from her own internal narration that she was surprised about it and disliked having the position, which means Varimathras was talking out of his ass. Which of course he was because he was imprisoned in Sargeras' torture porn dungeon since failing in Undercity and had no way of learning about political developments on Azeroth. And for god's sake, how many times does it need to be said that it was Vol'jin, not Sylvanas, that ordered the retreat. Because he was the Horde leader during the events of the Broken Shore.

You are correct that Vol'Jin ordered it, but Sylvanas could have just grabbed a banner and kept on going or directed some of her fire to the air.

Also any internal dialogue doesn't really matter since it doesn't show up in game.

In game all we know is she takes on the mantel, rallies the horde to avenge their warchief, then as soon as Azerite shows up starts burning down trees.

We don't have any idea how long her game really is or has been, but she does have a track record of hosing people over for her own gain/power. Even if those people were assholes to begin with - Arthas, The Dreadlords, Gore-whateverthehellhisnamewas.

[huth]

Also any internal dialogue doesn't really matter since it doesn't show up in game.

"Canon information doesn't matter if it doesn't fulfill an arbitrary condition i made up".

Yeah, sorry, but you don't get to decide that.

[Vrinara]

I really and honestly hope the Shadowlands expack is fake.. Guess we will see at Blizzcon.

[Absintheminded]

lol @ assuming the shadowlands leak is true. Best case scenario, the name Shadowlands was given to someone and they made up everything else.

[Shelly]

"Canon information doesn't matter if it doesn't fulfill an arbitrary condition i made up".

Yeah, sorry, but you don't get to decide that.

Yeah I can, but it's mostly a rule for myself. :-)

And it's true, at any point they can retcon anything - including game stuff - just game stuff is harder to get away with.

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I really and honestly hope the Shadowlands expack is fake.. Guess we will see at Blizzcon.

You and me both buddy.

[MikeBogina]

Why Sylvanas was chosen and what the reason will end up being, is two different things.

It's clear she was originally chosen from what Vol'jin had said, to step out of the shadows and lead the Horde... however Blizzard goofed hard on that and forgot to develop her further in Legion and then decided to use her as the tool for all major events in BFA. Now Vol'jin no longer had clarity and despite saying he never liked her and no one will understand... he no longer understands.

They did the same thing with Garrosh, it was announced he was going to be Warchief and the devs defended it by saying that he still has time to develop into a good character... then they forgot about that and made him an honorable leader in one questline and a total dickhead for the rest of the expansion... then used him as the tool for MoP. Then he escaped to the new expansion... like maybe Sylvanas will, to Shadowlands or whatever...

[Mehrunes]

You are correct that Vol'Jin ordered it, but Sylvanas could have just grabbed a banner and kept on going or directed some of her fire to the air.

Let's loop back to what I was replying to previously in the relevant part of the post. That was the notion that Sylvanas perhaps betrayed the Alliance at Broken Shore. As such your counterargument here amounts to "Sylvanas betrayed the Alliance by not betraying the Horde". Which isn't really that strong a claim.

Also any internal dialogue doesn't really matter since it doesn't show up in game.

In game all we know is she takes on the mantel, rallies the horde to avenge their warchief, then as soon as Azerite shows up starts burning down trees.

We don't have any idea how long her game really is or has been, but she does have a track record of hosing people over for her own gain/power. Even if those people were assholes to begin with - Arthas, The Dreadlords, Gore-whateverthehellhisnamewas.

WoW's books are canon lore.

To be fair is Anduin better?

Behold the Siege of Lordaeron:

CHAAAARGE

Oh shit, the plague. Didn't think of that. Retreeat!!!

Yay, Jaina saved us. Chaaarge agaaaaain!

Oh shit they have an army. Didn't think of that.

Yay, Alleria saved us via deus ex machina. Time to charge again.

Well I'm glad Jaina saved us cause I walked into an obvious trap for the third time in the same battle.


And all he did since then was react. Literally the only smart thing he did entire expansion was send Genn into Kul Tiras just in case Jaina fucks things up.

Sylvanas being a drooling retard isn't mutually exclusive with other characters being drooling retards as well. BfA contorts all of its characters to be parodies of themselves whenever (so all of the time) it's necessary to push its brilliant plot forward. The difference between Anduin and Sylvanas is that Anduin's moronic decisions should also at least raise some eyebrows from within the Alliance. But since Blizzard pushes the idea that he's super amazing regardless of what they actually write about him, that isn't the case. While Sylvanas did get a bunch of Alliance appeasers betray her.

[Wangming]

Sylvanas being a drooling retard isn't mutually exclusive with other characters being drooling retards as well. BfA contorts all of its characters to be parodies of themselves whenever (so all of the time) it's necessary to push its brilliant plot forward. The difference between Anduin and Sylvanas is that Anduin's moronic decisions should also at least raise some eyebrows from within the Alliance. But since Blizzard pushes the idea that he's super amazing regardless of what they actually write about him, that isn't the case. While Sylvanas did get a bunch of Alliance appeasers betray her.

TL;DR: Each faction is lead by retards but some horde leaders acted in a believable way when Sylvanas acted like a retard when no such thing happened with Anduin. Poor Alliance

[Mehrunes]

TL;DR: Each faction is lead by retards but some horde leaders acted in a believable way when Sylvanas acted like a retard when no such thing happened with Anduin. Poor Alliance

I'm not really seeing the need to TL;DR a post that has just one paragraph and I wouldn't limit the "poor" value judgement to just the Alliance as everyone is a loser when it comes to BfA's writing, but other than that, yes.

[Kithelle]

I'm sure that Sylvanas will be written as the hero as Illidan was.

Ehh, I think it will be more like Grom...she does one thing and everyone suddenly loves her.

[Soon-TM]

Ehh, I think it will be more like Grom...she does one thing and everyone suddenly loves her.

Aka Kerrigan Windrunner. If that's what eventually happens, the trainwreck will be glorious to behold

[matrix123mko]

Someone who doesn't like night elves.

[Khaza-R]

I totally sense a moment very similar to Illidan using the Sargerai keystone to open the portal to Argus

*Smug Sylvanas scoffs, "See you fools, I performed a literal holocaust on your cities, slaughtered untold civilians, desecrated the corpse of Horde soldiers all for the greater good. You lack the vision to save Azeroth"

[lionofwar87]

To preface this, you should buy into the Shadowlands leak.

So the big whodunnit right now is who/what told Vol'jin to name Sylvanas as Warchief, right? Well big brain time, what if the goal was to get us to the Shadowlands all along and the man behind the curtain thought Sylvanas was the one to make it happen? I mean she's all about undeath and that fun stuff so it's a pretty straight line BUT there is secondary goal potential here for Blizzard and the playerbase. What if we get to Shadowlands and go back to following Vol'jin? Maybe Sylvie just fucks off on her own for a while once we get back into Vol'jin's crusty dead arms? I mean, we don't always need a Warchief, plus if we have one of those "you all have to band together" expansions then that might ease the transition.

I can't for the "real death" type talk. You know, you die in the Shadowlands and your extra, very dead....WooooOOOooOOooo.