"Increases dmg and heal done by ... effects by up to X" vs Pure stats?

[Tyze]

When do I know a pure stat is better?

For example this, a ring "increases dmg and heal up to 13" vs a +9 intellect?

How does this increase dmg done work really?

[enigma77]

Intellect gives you no spellpower whatsoever. It gives you more mana and crit.

If you're a mage or a warlock spellpower is far better.

[Tyze]

Intellect gives you no spellpower whatsoever. It gives you more mana and crit.

If you're a mage or a warlock spellpower is far better.

Ah so its spellpower.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

How about for healing? A good mixture of both Intellect + Spirit as well as spellpower/"increases spell effects/healing by ___" stats?

[Afrospinach]

How does this increase dmg done work really?

The only other "hidden" effect here is that it is applied per cast time.

IIRC 3.5 second casts get 100% of the benefit of +spell damage. Everything else gets reduced amounts based on the cast time to a minimum of 1.5 seconds which would be just under half what you get from the item. Cast time reductions do not affect this calculation and furthermore, there is also a major reduction if +dmg/healing benefits on spell ranks below level 20.

This is why druids use rank 4 healing touch and not rank 1 or something like that. It is a lvl 20 spell that gets proper benefit from +healing items as per it's 2.5? second cast time. Not really applicable to dps but probably worth knowing.

[NihilSustinet]

The only other "hidden" effect here is that it is applied per cast time.

IIRC 3.5 second casts get 100% of the benefit of +spell damage. Everything else gets reduced amounts based on the cast time to a minimum of 1.5 seconds which would be just under half what you get from the item. Cast time reductions do not affect this calculation and furthermore, there is also a major reduction if +dmg/healing benefits on spell ranks below level 20.

This is why druids use rank 4 healing touch and not rank 1 or something like that. It is a lvl 20 spell that gets proper benefit from +healing items as per it's 2.5? second cast time. Not really applicable to dps but probably worth knowing.

as a druid in actual vanilla, i didnt use rank 4 HT as a rule. i used whatever allowed to get a certain amount of throughput based on the healer power i had at the time. something like 2k health per cast or so. so as the expansion went on and my gear got better, i dropped ranks slowly. i dont if i ever got down to 4, though. maybe.

[Kralljin]

How about for healing? A good mixture of both Intellect + Spirit as well as spellpower/"increases spell effects/healing by ___" stats?

Even on a healer, +Healing is extremely valueable because it makes downranking more attractive.

Obviously, Healers like Priest or Druid can stack a lot of spirit and thus boost their mana regeneration, but Shaman doesn't want this at all, you want Mp5 and +heal.
Pally also doesn't give a shit about spirit, they however can accept a shitload of int on an item as it increases spell crit, which is valueable to pallies.

But generally speaking +Healing > primary stats.

[Hubbl3]

as a druid in actual vanilla, i didnt use rank 4 HT as a rule. i used whatever allowed to get a certain amount of throughput based on the healer power i had at the time. something like 2k health per cast or so. so as the expansion went on and my gear got better, i dropped ranks slowly. i dont if i ever got down to 4, though. maybe.

With HT4 you also never ran out of mana and had always room for using Regrowth or higher HTs when needed. HT4 was a really nice "spam and forget" spell with enough healing for 90% of the situations.

[kail]

The only other "hidden" effect here is that it is applied per cast time.

IIRC 3.5 second casts get 100% of the benefit of +spell damage. Everything else gets reduced amounts based on the cast time to a minimum of 1.5 seconds which would be just under half what you get from the item. Cast time reductions do not affect this calculation and furthermore, there is also a major reduction if +dmg/healing benefits on spell ranks below level 20.

This is why druids use rank 4 healing touch and not rank 1 or something like that. It is a lvl 20 spell that gets proper benefit from +healing items as per it's 2.5? second cast time. Not really applicable to dps but probably worth knowing.

What about overtime dmg/healing? From what my priest friend tells me, the tooltip does not consider and modifiers to damage and healing. Wonder if there is an add-on/site that calculates the actual output.

[Tehterokkar]

What about overtime dmg/healing? From what my priest friend tells me, the tooltip does not consider and modifiers to damage and healing. Wonder if there is an add-on/site that calculates the actual output.

There was an addon at least for 1.12 client/private servers. Not sure if it ever got re-done/ported to Classic.

[Shaiandra]

The only other "hidden" effect here is that it is applied per cast time.

IIRC 3.5 second casts get 100% of the benefit of +spell damage. Everything else gets reduced amounts based on the cast time to a minimum of 1.5 seconds which would be just under half what you get from the item. Cast time reductions do not affect this calculation and furthermore, there is also a major reduction if +dmg/healing benefits on spell ranks below level 20.

This is what I remember too, for single-target direct spells. The amount applied was directly proportional to the spell too; i.e. a spell with cast time of 2 sec would have 2/3.5 of your spellpower applied (~57.14%).

I believe for HOTs/DOTs it was based on a spell with a duration of 15 seconds would get 100% spellpower; shorter ones would have less total contribution, though since I believe most periodic spells ticked once every 3 seconds, then it would usually be 20% of spellpower applied to each tick. I don't know if this was also the case with durations longer than 15 sec.

AoEs had reduced amounts too, and I so don't remember the details for spells that were part direct and part periodic, like Regrowth or Moonfire, let alone Flamestrike..

[Afrospinach]

as a druid in actual vanilla, i didnt use rank 4 HT as a rule. i used whatever allowed to get a certain amount of throughput based on the healer power i had at the time. something like 2k health per cast or so. so as the expansion went on and my gear got better, i dropped ranks slowly. i dont if i ever got down to 4, though. maybe.

It was just a quick heal to top people off sort of like priest flash heal especially since only the druid in the raid with the most +spell healing can actually rejuv reliably. I am sure it was healing for 800ish with my MC/ZG gear that was pretty +spell healing and mp5 focused. Generally I relied on stop casting for tank healing. rank 4 was a very popular idea among druids at the time.

What about overtime dmg/healing? From what my priest friend tells me, the tooltip does not consider and modifiers to damage and healing. Wonder if there is an add-on/site that calculates the actual output.

Again iirc, the rule here is that the damage is spread over 5 ticks. ie priest renew(15 seconds) gets full +healing and druid rejuv gets only 80% for 4 ticks. I remember having a discussion about the idea renew might actually be better than rejuv even though druids were the "HoT" healers. I am sure it is the same for dot as well and yeah I don't think that any of this is reflected in the tooltip, that was a pretty late addition to the game, maybe not even in BC.