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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Wait, you think Dems are anti-union?
    Since Bill Clinton? Nationally yes. After NAFTA and then Obama attempting TTP/TTIP, yeah they essentially are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You’re hilarious.

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    Just from this year, for reference. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...anize-act-bill

    As opposed to the GOP who actively seek to destroy any and all unions.
    Did I say the GOP was good? Going to need a big citation on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I never claimed you did... weird you think I did. I was simply setting the record straight on which party is ACTUALLY anti-union.
    Then what are you kvetching about them for if I didn't bring them up? It could be that both are Anti-Union, or are working together on that point.
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    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Except I offered evidence disproving your position while providing mine. I get you don’t understand how debate works, but c’mon.
    I also offered evidence, NAFTA, and Obama pushing the TTP/TTIP.
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    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Except I offered evidence disproving your position while providing mine. I get you don’t understand how debate works, but c’mon.
    Union strength has declined under Republicans and Democrats alike. They play a lot of lip service to unions when its campaign time, but they lack results when it comes to policy making.

    Sure, Republicans are openly hostile to unions and have caused most of the damage, but you can't sit here and act like the corporate world hasn't dominated policy making of both parties for the past 40 years.

    So Democrats are trying to pass ambitious pro-labor laws in the last year? Good for them, about fucking time. Get it passed and we'll talk.

    Also, fuck police unions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Yes, because a lot of it seems to be "Ban but by other means".
    That you think Democrat policy is "100% OPEN BORDERS FLOOD THE US WITH IMMIGRANTS" and "BAN ALL GUNS" both "in all but name" is really telling about just how clueless you really are on policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butter Emails View Post
    That you think Democrat policy is "100% OPEN BORDERS FLOOD THE US WITH IMMIGRANTS" and "BAN ALL GUNS" both "in all but name" is really telling about just how clueless you really are on policy.
    Don't assume ignorance when malice is also a good explanation. Do you honestly think the person who thinks America's most pressing political issue is the destruction of traditional values by the urban elite is spreading right wing rhetoric for shits and giggles?

    Let's be clear here, for the people who aren't as familiar with far right dogwhistling;

    - Complaining about technocrats and academics by trying to cast them as out of touch elites = using rural and working class people as a cudgel to make it more difficult to challenge unsubstantiated right wing beliefs on scientific or expert grounds.
    - Complaining about urban centers as dehumanising because they are so dense and cosmopolitan = complaining about diversity and making it more difficult to combat the negative effects of phenomena like white flight and self-segregation.
    - Complaining about "open immigration" and at the same time decrying the breakdown of the traditional family and the apparent 'plague' of single people in urban centers = complaining white people aren't reproducing enough to outbreed and left wing culture is responsible.

    Among others. The progenitors of these particular talking points are well aware that they are largely counterfactual positions and that is the point - they are designed to be difficult to challenge on rational grounds by virtue of their inherent irrationality. If said poster is truly ignorant of this, not sure whether that is more or less damning than being aware of these farces and still continuing to push them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    - Complaining about "open immigration" and at the same time decrying the breakdown of the traditional family and the apparent 'plague' of single people in urban centers = complaining white people aren't reproducing enough to outbreed and left wing culture is responsible.
    The saddest part of this one is that a lot of latinos and african americans would be conservative voters if it weren't for the GOP's racism. There's a lot of highly religious people who hold conservative social views among minorities and the Republicans just toss them away because they aren't white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    I also offered evidence, NAFTA, and Obama pushing the TTP/TTIP.
    International trade agreements aren't "anti-union". That's a ridiculous take.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    The saddest part of this one is that a lot of latinos and african americans would be conservative voters if it weren't for the GOP's racism. There's a lot of highly religious people who hold conservative social views among minorities and the Republicans just toss them away because they aren't white.
    American conservative views regarding the family inherently require a slave class of domestic workers to sustain said family, change my mind.

    Women are more traditional but blacks will do in a pinch, according to the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    International trade agreements aren't "anti-union". That's a ridiculous take.
    Don't circumlocute.

    Calling TTP/TTIP anti-union is a way to get working class people to buy into isolationist and anti-immigrant rhetoric. It's not ridiculous, it's just racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    American conservative views regarding the family inherently require a slave class of domestic workers to sustain said family, change my mind.

    Women are more traditional but blacks will do in a pinch, according to the South.
    Of course. When ever a conservative mentions the traditional family what they're really saying is "remember when women were slaves? That was great"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That's a ridiculous take.
    Its typical of the mutilated distortion of reality common to the poster in question.
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    So apparently Andrew Yang's giveaway to trial UBI might actually violate campaign finance laws, but because the FEC doesn't have a quorum it can't rule on it or even issue an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    International trade agreements aren't "anti-union". That's a ridiculous take.
    no but the working man often gets stiffed in the process. a lot of people around my area HATE nafta,ttip and ttp. it has done NOTHING to help them and has usually just made their lives directly worse when their jobs get outsourced and they end up on unemployment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    So apparently Andrew Yang's giveaway to trial UBI might actually violate campaign finance laws, but because the FEC doesn't have a quorum it can't rule on it or even issue an opinion.
    If Trump can give money to a porn star, Yang can help out some poor people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    no but the working man often gets stiffed in the process. a lot of people around my area HATE nafta,ttip and ttp. it has done NOTHING to help them and has usually just made their lives directly worse when their jobs get outsourced and they end up on unemployment.
    At a societal level, jobs that get outsourced like that industry-wide are jobs that are largely not worth doing, locally. The value of the labor is below that which local workers are willing (or able, with minimum wage laws) to accept.

    And at the societal level, that's a good thing. It means the nation as a whole is becoming wealthier and stronger.

    At the individual level, people facing this kind of issue need to be willing to A> move to where jobs are, particularly if they're in an industry town whose industry shut down (common with mining towns, for instance), and B> to retrain for a new career. Before you protest, I fully encourage government support in achieving those targets; I'm not suggesting they be expected to cover this themselves. But they need to be willing to do these things.

    Otherwise, they're demanding the government make an unprofitable business profitable, which is something that only makes sense if that business is necessary to the nation's security and success; things like maintaining local agriculture and power generation, for instance. Not resource extraction or refining or manufacturing.

    Plus, we're talking about capitalism, here. That's why jobs are being outsourced. If you want to come over to the socialist side of things and condemn capitalist models, feel free, but you're literally complaining about free market activity pursued for the generation of private profits, here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    If Trump can give money to a porn star...
    He can't, and has been desperately insisting that she wasn't paid with campaign funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    He can't, and has been desperately insisting that she wasn't paid with campaign funds.
    How has he not gotten away with it at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    How has he not gotten away with it at this point?
    Because his party refuses to hold him accountable for anything, and the Democrats don't have enough of a majority to do anything without them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Because his party refuses to hold him accountable for anything, and the Democrats don't have enough of a majority to do anything without them.
    I agree with everything you said but it still means he got away with it. So if when and ever s Republican tried to check Yang for giving away money, Democrats need to remind Republicans of Trump's dirty dealings.

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