? Warlords didn't have Orcs be relevant? I don't get that. And BfA has an Orc left, right, center and in every gorram cinematic under the sun. I don't give much of a shit about the 10 minutes where Tyrande was crying for her beloved, these two have always been boring as sin. It's still way better than the endless parade of honorbros vs murderbros nonsense we got now.
what if arthas comes back tomorrow
"You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."
I'm aware he became Sargeras' jailer - I'm saying being Sargeras' jailer is *not* the destiny Xe'ra wanted for him, as both implied by her speech to him and shown in the "Illidan" novel's ending. That not how lampshading works, and lampshading isn't really applicable in this context. It's more an averted trope. The "spiteful narrative" is your blatant dislike of Saurfang and the need to continually paint him as a sadsack, driven solely by despair, which as I said isn't really representative of his story at the current. Him becoming the Night Warrior is just a farce I'm semi-entertaining out of amusement.
A retcon is the change that occurs as well as the explanation and circumstances of new continuity rising from it, with the alteration also effecting past events. Unexplained changes are bad forms of retcons, whereas explained ones could be either. Metzen did indeed admit to forgetting about the Eredar's original plight, but I maintain that the new continuity is actually better than the older version of the continuity, where the Eredar were just another variety of demon with little to no backstory. The Eredar/Draenei retcon created a good deal more narrative fission and launched a compelling set of story-arcs all on its own, it's an improvement to what came before it even if it was caused by an accident and error.
YMMV as to what "sloppy writing" is. I call a change that improves the story and opens up greater narrative and dramatic arcs an improvement on its face, but if you want to get hung up on the original error I can't really stop you. Angling for error-free perfection is an often onerous if not impossible chore, and if one sets their standards so high as to demand there be no errors in 20+ years of a given narrative then one is likely to be often disappointed.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
not horde orcs, they are on the garbage since blizz fuck up their lore since MOP, wod help to paint then even worse, dismissing their narrative of redemption
you mean just saurfang and thrall, an old fart cause they kill every other orc character and thrall cause there is none else left with relevant story, they even try to put Rexxar but he is irrelevant.And BfA has an Orc left, right, center and in every gorram cinematic under the sun.
lmao, if you aid so, i would rather get wtlk/cata lv of faction war instead being bombarded with cringefest and no representation at all.It's still way better than the endless parade of honorbros vs murderbros nonsense we got now.
the alliance has to completely and unilaterally forgive the horde once sylvanas is out. there isn't time for anything else to happen and the way the blizzard writers work is paying absolutely no attention to any inconvenient details to the narrow story thread they want to tell.
bfa has been a story about the horde and focused on the horde and the entire alliance storyline has been a reluctant afterthought so far and i'm sorry to tell you thats not gonna change tomorrow. blizzard is writing their way to the horde struggling with their identity and then being taken back by noble heroes like thrall, and once that happens as far as they are concerned that story arc is over so the alliance will have to fall in line and accept the horde are good so we can all move on to fighting old gods yet again
you can say "but what about the night elves they wont forgive the horde" but look back at bfa and you will realize blizzard dont care about little things like that. tbh every aspect of the night elf story from the war of thorns to darkshore has been such an afterthought and incompatible with the main storyline (e.g. genn decides to help the night elves instead of going to darza'alor then leads darza'alor anyway) that i would be amazed if it was even written by the same people as the rest of bfa. they pretty obviously coralled a d-team of writers together and told them to make a night elf vs undead scenario in darkshore using warcraft 3 as inspiration. which is why the forsaken are raising bodies like they're the scourge. and yes this directly conflicts with the way derek proudmoore is treated but they are struggling to write even the main war campaign consistently there was never any hope they could add the darkshore story on top of that.
whatever happens in the patch is gonna be unrepentant and laughable shit but the fact is the main storyline exists in a universe where darkshore never happened so don't expect any of it to come up in any way.
they hated sillag because he told them the truth
Such deep.. "Honor.. honor honor honor.. HONOR .. hOnOr.. HoNoR.. Hodor.. I mean.. honor.. honor honor.. honor".. Yeh so deep.
"Why'd you use rogues to kill sentinels without face to face combat?" - "Honor"
"Why didn't you finish off malfurion when him alone caused thousands of horde deaths?" - "Honor"
"Why did you try to attack Darkshore with the night elf army not even being there?" - "honor"
"Why did you leave your race without a leader and try to commit suicide during a world war?" - "Honor"
He isn't even a character. He is just a plot device with the excuse to say "honor".
Edit: Man.. Ever said a word so many times you second guess yourself on how to pronounce it?
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Thrall, Saurfang, Baine, Jaina, Genn & Anduin arrive in Durotar to confront Sylvanas. With Thrall there, they know there would be a riot if Sylvanas threatened him. Again, the Book states Sylvanas preferred not being Warchief so she is willing to go back to how it was before she became in charge, but she also knows the Alliance leaders would want some kind of retribution.
But suddenly Tyrande appears & attacks Sylvanas. Thrall tries to put an end to it & places himself between them, but at this point everyone is in fight or flight mode. Tyrande mortally wounds Thrall, so of course Baine & Saurfang would attack Tyrande with intent to kill. Jaina manages to freeze Baine, but Sylvanas kills Genn from behind then banshee forms into Tyrande's body, suffocating her. Jaina tries to teleport her & Anduin out but Nathanos shoots her dead.
"Now that I have you at my mercy, I want you to beg," Sylvanas tells Anduin.
"I will not beg for my life, Banshee"
"Not that....I want you to beg me to bring them back"