Instead of throwing weak characters at her why not

[Cosmic Janitor]

Didn't watch the loyalist ending yet, eh? She already plans to use an old god - that is known for using people as his pawns - to further her goals. She will be our implausible villain going forward that we're never allowed to kill because reasons.

[Lochton]

Khadgar is much stronger then sylvanas. Despite her Hype, she was a good ranger general, empowered with necromantic powers. but he is Kind of the guardian of tirisfal at this point, that many times stronger then a emo hunter.

Didn't say he wasn't stronger. I said he wasn't in the same fighting category as Sylvanas. If she gets close on him, and she's sadly rather quick, he's not going to be much in favor.

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her hype is that currently she is using magic that Jaina, Thalyssra and Lor'Themar cant even identify

Always looked at it being Necrotic-Void hybrid...

[Cosmic Janitor]

For real. Thrall and Jaina are there, but they sent a plain warrior to fight her? Mkay...

Saurfang was the leader of the rebellion, it was his choice to sacrifice himself while exposing her. 1 death to save hundreds, if not thousands. You didn't get the point of the story if you think this was ever about actually winning aginst her.

[EnacheV]

Why is Blizzard keeping Boreduin alive for so long?

[Puri]

Saurfang was the leader of the rebellion, it was his choice to sacrifice himself while exposing her. 1 death to save hundreds, if not thousands. You didn't get the point of the story if you think this was ever about actually winning aginst her.

Yes, and as he points out that's a flaw in the story. Why was it not about winning? Thrall (or debatable even Jaina) beating her would be a better ending than Saurfang exposing her and dying.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Khadgar is much stronger then sylvanas. Despite her Hype, she was a good ranger general, empowered with necromantic powers. but he is Kind of the guardian of tirisfal at this point, that many times stronger then a emo hunter.

Kadghar did reject the powers of Mediv as he fears they might corrupt him (because reasons), the way they botched the story, Jaina is actually stronger than Kadghar atm, she frezes whole stretches of the oceans to create an arena to fight on, commands multiple frost elementals and other shit. She is closer to Aegwyn (apparently because some plot contrivance with some random staff she got in pandaria..) and guardian level than Kadghar.

They better explain where Sylvanas got her powers from, because she could barely beat an old worgen last expansion and now she wields unknown magic through some (other) plot contrivance and people here already declare her the goddess of close quarter combat.

[Gasparde]

Yes, and as he points out that's a flaw in the story. Why was it not about winning? Thrall (or debatable even Jaina) beating her would be a better ending than Saurfang exposing her and dying.

Because Thrall without Doomhammer is an absolute bitch and Jaina conveniently goes from murderer of the universe to sorcerers apprentice every other week.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Yes, and as he points out that's a flaw in the story. Why was it not about winning? Thrall (or debatable even Jaina) beating her would be a better ending than Saurfang exposing her and dying.

Because they all knew she would not fight fair once cornered, it was supposed to be a Mak'gora and the only one who had any chance to demand one of her other than Saurfang would have been Thrall, who can't use the elements because he is still broken inside his head and is far from being a highly trained melee combatant, he couldn't even beat Garrosh 1 vs 1 without resorting to his Shaman powers. That aside, answering the challenge of any one alliance member, wheres she would have even had the slightest chance of losing against, was never going to be an option. Saurfang played the only card he had left and it was the only card if he wanted to avoid bloodshed.

[derpkitteh]

Always looked at it being Necrotic-Void hybrid...

this is the way i see the magic she one shot him with. everything else she's used, has just been her necrotic banshee stuff.

death-void hybrid is kinda what the nightmare is. i've been tossing around the idea that her death master could be yogg-saron, since yogg created the nightmare, was obsessed with death, was involved with helya(through loken), and could theoretically have found a way to achieve apotheosis through combining void and death, due to the power of an old god and their latent understanding of void. also, her saying that n'zoth will serve as well.

yogg called himself "the god of death", why would physically dying stop him?

[Puri]

Because they all knew she would not fight fair once cornered, it was supposed to be a Mak'gora and the only one who had any chance to demand one of her other than Saurfang would have been Thrall, who can't use the elements because he is still broken inside his head and is far from being a highly trained melee combatant, he couldn't even beat Garrosh 1 vs 1 without resorting to his Shaman powers. That aside, answering the challenge of any one alliance member, wheres she would have even had the slightest chance of losing against, was never going to be an option. Saurfang played the only card he had left and it was the only card if he wanted to avoid bloodshed.

That's all irrelevant, because who would win in that duel is completely up to the storywriters. She could beat Thrall like a punching bag, then he sees Aggra crying and goes Super Saiyan. Or Thrall could have gone just like Saurfang did.
The point is simply that they have the chance to end it right there, a chance Saurfang never had.

[Ophenia]

Yes, and as he points out that's a flaw in the story. Why was it not about winning? Thrall (or debatable even Jaina) beating her would be a better ending than Saurfang exposing her and dying.

I don't think a non-Horde member can request Mak'gora. But maybe Thalyssra could have duelled her, even though that'd have been out of nowhere as she's useless since Nighthold

Anyway who cares, that's war, I can understand this honor shit but at this point there isn't any honor in anything, ask for the duel, teleport Malfurion, Khadgar, Tyrande and Turalyon inside this bullshit and transform the duel into a 6v1 gangbang and let this expansion end like that already.

They better explain where Sylvanas got her powers from, because she could barely beat an old worgen last expansion and now she wields unknown magic through some (other) plot contrivance and people here already declare her the goddess of close quarter combat.

The "Next time you'll see me, you'll understand" line from the 3rd cinematic kinda sells the fact that Garrosh Sylvanas will be empowered by Y'Shaarj N'zoth in the last raid of the expansion

[derpkitteh]

She is an anti-spellcaster unit. She would wreck him because she is good at evading and can silence arcane casters. Send in Turalyon and his magic would suppress her incorporeality, make him immune or give him strong resistance to her death magic while his lightforged nature would make him her match in physical strength. Or send in Alleria and they'd be evenly matched until Alleria brings out that voidform that lets her remove things from existence and lets her throw Sylvanas into the Void.

this new magic isn't just death, or thalyssra and jaina would be able to sense it. even if unfamiliarity with necromancy could account for thalyssra's lack of ability to sense it, jaina literally fucked the lich king and was in the midst of the scourge crisis until its end.

[Cosmic Janitor]

That's all irrelevant, because who would win in that duel is completely up to the storywriters. She could beat Thrall like a punching bag, then he sees Aggra crying and goes Super Saiyan. Or Thrall could have gone just like Saurfang did.
The point is simply that they have the chance to end it right there, a chance Saurfang never had.

She humored Saurfang with the duel, she wouldn't even have done so with anyone remotely competent. How would they end it there when she wouldn't even come out of the gate in the first place. Also none of the horde guys are the kind of people that would call for an honorable duel and then just open fire. You demand a play that was just not in the cards they had. As bad as the story was at least it had that little bit of consistency.

[Ophenia]

And then they would lose to the Horde inside Orgrimmar that would view them all as dishonorable and were clearly going to win this siege given they have superior fortifications, the few siege engines that were brought were already sabotaged and were probably even more numerous.

I mean, what exactly would the Rebels and Alliance do when the Horde would start pelting them with blight from behind FAR STRONGER fortifications than Lordaeron had?

Why on earth would they need Siege Engines to destroy fortifications when Jaina was able to summon a flying ship with Arcane Cannons to destroy Lordaeron's in 5 seconds top ?
Or is she unable to do that anymore, suddenly conveniently ?

Maybe they could have a call to Velen to bring the Vindicaar and eradicate Orgrimmar from existence too ?

Pretty sure most of Orcs and Trolls inside Orgrimmar would instantly stop fighting as soon as they saw Thrall anyway. That's 80% of Horde's forces, nobody cares about forsakens.

[Cosmic Janitor]

You could have a Sunwalker call for Mak'gora. Between Sylvanas and Aponi or Dezco, my money would be on the tauren knight whose magic was created specifically to fight undead. Or hey, a Blood Knight. Have Liadrin fight her, then it would be win win whoever lost.

You overstate the value of random paladin vs. a hero unit that has been around for ages (and apparently got some old/death god infusion recently) massively. It would also be a rather weird setup if someone challenges the current warchief to a fight for the position of warchief only to not actually wanting to be warchief. Like seriously, how would you even write Dezco, who probably only 5 people remember, to go about challenging Sylvanas, and then winning the mantle of warchief?

[OokOok]

Blizzard is very PC/liberal, and the western world is all about feminism/lbtg bla bla all that, if you really think they'll kill off the only female leader, you haven't been paying attention to the world.
Next expansion Tyrande will join the movement

[Cosmic Janitor]

The same reason a High Elf dead lady would accept a Mak'gora, which is an Orcish custom, when her stated goal is to rack up a body count among Horde and Alliance forces.

Yea.. as much as it pains me, the horde is still largely founded around the orcs and their customs. Dismissing that when the leader is literally called the warchief and resides in the orc capital and they make up the largest part of their forces, yea no. When you suddenly become the emperor of rome you also have to answer to the senate, even if you were a barbarian prince before.

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I like Dezco Also, I'd challenge her with my Tauren Protection Paladin instead. I'd either kill her or she'd just flee in frustrastion after blowing all her cooldowns a few times only for me to heal back to full.

Us having no part in this whole ordeal is one of the more valid complaints imho. But then agan the player can't have agency here.. :/

[Cosmic Janitor]

Blizzard is very PC/liberal, and the western world is all about feminism/lbtg bla bla all that, if you really think they'll kill off the only female leader, you haven't been paying attention to the world.
Next expansion Tyrande will join the movement

Talanji would be a better representation for that.

[Lochton]

this is the way i see the magic she one shot him with. everything else she's used, has just been her necrotic banshee stuff.

death-void hybrid is kinda what the nightmare is. i've been tossing around the idea that her death master could be yogg-saron, since yogg created the nightmare, was obsessed with death, was involved with helya(through loken), and could theoretically have found a way to achieve apotheosis through combining void and death, due to the power of an old god and their latent understanding of void. also, her saying that n'zoth will serve as well.

yogg called himself "the god of death", why would physically dying stop him?

Well, it explains the wisp of power around her, and the subtle underlying red glow at her eyes without turning into a banshee during the Mok'gora.

[Nyel]

khadgar's not as strong as her now. her new master has given her the strength to fight malfurion 1v1, khadgar's nowhere near malfurion.

Malfurion has been an utter joke for ages. Even in his own book he was a weakling. Malfurion should be one of the strongest WC characters yet he's laughable at best. Remember Xavius totally outmaneuvering him in Legion? Yeah that's how powerful Malfurion is.