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This would only work if the whistleblower was listening in on a call from Giuliani, and not Trump. From context, I'm not sure that's true. Also, if that was the setup, why did Trump admit everything?Originally Posted by Zaydin
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2019-09-25, 11:12 AM #281Void Lord
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2019-09-25, 11:57 AM #282Banned
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If they impeach now without getting the results in the investigation it will blow up in their face. But if they wait till the investigation is over and it shows he did something wrong then they have a strong chance of getting it done.
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2019-09-25, 12:01 PM #283Banned
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It's a good thing they haven't impeached them... isn't it? Originally Posted by zenkai
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2019-09-25, 12:44 PM #284The Insane
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They are opening up a formal impeachment inquiry, buoyed by the testimony and documents that the House Intelligence and Judiciary committees have collected since 2017. Originally Posted by zenkai
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2019-09-25, 12:53 PM #285Moderator
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Trump may yet get his own convictions. Originally Posted by Thekri
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There's a keyword in that quote which should help. Originally Posted by Breccia
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2019-09-25, 01:01 PM #286The Insane
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Agreed. Way too late in his term for anything to come of this. Originally Posted by Kujako
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2019-09-25, 01:14 PM #287Void Lord
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As I said in another thread, I think this was the point: send Giuliani hoping he wouldn't be noticed, then disavow him if he's caught. Originally Posted by Vegas82
It's not working. Not only is Giuliani ratting out the State Department, Trump admitted the phone call.
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2019-09-25, 01:18 PM #288The Unstoppable Force
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I'm confused why they'd set up Giuliani as the fall guy, but still have Trump make direct contact via phone call. Originally Posted by Breccia
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2019-09-25, 01:23 PM #289The Insane
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Too late for this to be a good thing.
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2019-09-25, 01:24 PM #290Void Lord
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It's possible there was a plan, and Trump fucked it up. Originally Posted by Wyrt
It's also possible the Ukrainian President said "By the way, when do we get that money?" and Trump explained.
It's also possible the Ukrainian President said "Talking to Trump's personal lawyer...eh, I'm the head of a country, I think I deserve to talk to Trump personally."
But my favorite, I think Team Trump thought nobody would ever find out about the call.
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2019-09-25, 01:31 PM #291Void Lord
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Trump incredulous after his moves on transparency failed to stop Pelosi
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/polit...ent/index.html
This guy is a fucking moron... after years of childish mocking and petulant insults, he thought ‘nervous Nancy’ would help him?He had felt confident after phoning Pelosi earlier that morning. The drive for impeachment in her caucus had ramped up amid reports he pushed the Ukrainian President to investigate Joe Biden, and Trump was hoping to head off a clash. He figured he could de-escalate tensions by speaking with her directly.Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
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2019-09-25, 01:36 PM #292Void Lord
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The best part? Originally Posted by Felya
He formed a coalition to end abortion (that was moderately successful, and it let him pal around with his boss Putin), but he also escalated the trade war with China, he badmouthed Iran while saying make a deal (Iran is also pretty irate), denounced globalism at the freaking UN, and everyone's favorite, lost a maturity contest with a 16 year old girl.After Pelosi's historic announcement, Trump immediately began lashing out, accusing Democrats of distracting from his successes at the United Nations General Assembly and arguing it was just "more breaking news Witch Hunt garbage."
What success?
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2019-09-25, 01:37 PM #293Titan
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You must have missed the fact that both Trump and his lawyer admitted to this. Originally Posted by bagelmanman
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2019-09-25, 01:38 PM #294The Insane
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He managed to not soil himself, at least not in a manor anyone could detect. Originally Posted by Breccia
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2019-09-25, 01:40 PM #295Banned
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What's your thoughts on the claim Trump withheld money from Ukraine for a political request but the Ukraine President himself denied that happened?
Do you feel the Ukraine President is lying?
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2019-09-25, 01:52 PM #296The Unstoppable Force
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Didn't commit any crimes while he was there? Originally Posted by Breccia
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2019-09-25, 02:08 PM #297Banned
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CNN reporting that transcript is released... and indeed apparently does indicate that Dump pressured Ukraine to get dirt on Biden!
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...019/index.html
...did Dump just pull a Dumb-Dumb Jr? o_O
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2019-09-25, 02:09 PM #298Banned
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Yes, he asked them to investigate Biden but made no mention of military aid, that's the illegal part that didn't happen. Originally Posted by mvaliz
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2019-09-25, 02:21 PM #299Immortal
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So its ok to ask foreign leaders to investigate political opponents? Are you serious? Originally Posted by zenkai
Either way this is the equivalent of Barr’s presentation of the Mueller report. Far from the full picture.
The whistleblower is the key here, not a lying administration thats known for editing facts and even transscripts.Last edited by Crispin; 2019-09-25 at 02:23 PM.
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2019-09-25, 02:23 PM #300Banned
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Biden's son is a political opponent? Originally Posted by Crispin
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