Loot Etiquette

[Zentail]

so you point to the one "toxic" response in the thread...most have been much more reasoned and rational as proof that 95% of Classic players are toxic...bravo.

Have you even logged into Classic? The only players who aren't pretty toxic are typically low levels (lower than 30) and guildies (guild etiquette). Between the 300-400 players I've interacted with in dungeons, maybe 20 of them weren't toxic. 95% of players who actually post on social media (reddit/here) don't seem to be toxic, but those are not typically the people I see ingame.

[Tojara]

Best way to do anything is to just establish shit beforehand.

15 years later and hunters aren't nearly as retarded as they use to be, at least when it comes to weapons. Most of them will pass on melee weapons simply because there are so many alternatives out there, and it's just not worth the screaming trying to get 1-2 agility or a few AP. When I use to play people were pretty bad and DPS warriors and hunters didn't realize that leather was super good, so this shift is something I notice from time to time. Rogues extremely salty that hunters/warriors need on leather gear, when most plate/mail are itemized extremely poorly.

Tanks are a complete shift from what they were 15 years ago and trends have been moving that way for expansions now. Nobody gave two shits about tank DPS years ago and most of them just stacked defensive gear to take the least amount of damage possible, even if that meant massively throttling everyone's DPS. This works in Vanilla because there's an absence of enrage timers generally, so there's usually no rush to lay into mobs, at least this wasn't the case 13-15 years ago. Tanking has evolved however and with how people play these days, stacking your gear with pure avoidance and +defense skill just doesn't cut it. There's far more emphasis on threat stats these days, so don't be surprised if you see tanks taking "some" DPS gear to tank with, which certainly wasn't a thing in the past.

That stated, tanks generally aren't going to be wearing full leather or mail, but don't be surprised if they wear a couple pieces (between leather, or mail) that have incredible threat stats (hit, crit, agi). Likewise, those plate pieces that are completely missing avoidance or defense skill, but have hit or crit on them are actually pretty good tanking items as well.

TLDR; DPS warriors are going to roll on leather and mail, hunters are going to be rolling on leather, and prot warriors will potentially take items that don't "look" like tank items. Onslaught girdle, and drake fang talisman are actually amazing tank items, but tanks 15 years ago probably thought they were shit lol.

[deenman]

The fact that OP has to ask the question and the first response to the thread is "yes" is exactly why Classic has the absolute worst players in WoW--because sadly, this is 95% of the playerbase, at least in PUGs.

You're tanking. If it's not a tanking item, you do not deserve it unless no one else needs it. Maybe next time you should go in as a DPS and not just try and skip the player-created-queues that is LFG and wait in line like everyone else as a DPS.

by this logic there would never be a tank LOL

[vindicatorx]

Ehm, yeah? It's not like tanks level as tanks.
Need on whatever you like. Heck, even if its for the gold. You need that for your mount after all.

Worst answer possible. I'd drop you after the first time you pulled that shit.

[Zentail]

by this logic there would never be a tank LOL

DING DING DING guess what the entire game has to deal with? Lack of tanks! Guess what comes out of it? Respect! Players who don't do it? Douche bags who get black listed on their servers, never to see a group again! Upside to being a tank? You get EVERY SINGLE tank piece that drops. Maybe learn to tank and enjoy it, or don't tank and don't get the gear for it?

[deenman]

DING DING DING guess what the entire game has to deal with? Lack of tanks! Guess what comes out of it? Respect! Players who don't do it? Douche bags who get black listed on their servers, never to see a group again! Upside to being a tank? You get EVERY SINGLE tank piece that drops. Maybe learn to tank and enjoy it, or don't tank and don't get the gear for it?

the point is that if someone is going to go out of their way to tank,they should be able to roll on dps gear,they dont level as full prot or with a shield

[Aggrophobic]

Worst answer possible. I'd drop you after the first time you pulled that shit.

Well, I don't pug that often and if I do, my group my rules.

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No if you want that item play the role.

Nah, won't do that. Rolling on DPS items all the time and it's never been an issue.
You could always make that clear befor you start the dungeon of course but most people would rather not wait for another tank, I'm guessing.

Still, Blizzard sets the rules, not you. If you can roll on it, you can. There is little to debate here.

[Deadite]

Well, I don't pug that often and if I do, my group my rules.

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Nah, won't do that. Rolling on DPS items all the time and it's never been an issue.
You could always make that clear befor you start the dungeon of course but most people would rather not wait for another tank, I'm guessing.

Still, Blizzard sets the rules, not you. If you can roll on it, you can. There is little to debate here.

You must grace some of the finest ignore lists on your realm.

[arkanon]

You're tanking. If it's not a tanking item, you do not deserve it unless no one else needs it.

HAHA, good stuff. Honestly, you couldnt come up with this level of over dramatic garbage over loot. Just relax, its only loot.

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You must grace some of the finest ignore lists on your realm.

And that must have ZERO impact on their gaming. At all.

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DING DING DING guess what the entire game has to deal with? Lack of tanks! Guess what comes out of it? Respect! Players who don't do it? Douche bags who get black listed on their servers, never to see a group again! Upside to being a tank? You get EVERY SINGLE tank piece that drops. Maybe learn to tank and enjoy it, or don't tank and don't get the gear for it?

But this doesnt happen. These threads are chock full of "classic community" members who openly say its fine, Blizzard sets the loot rules, if you can need, need, and if someone needs something you dont agree with, just roll need on everything. No one has ever, or will ever be "blacklisted" from any realm ever over "ninja" looting.

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Worst answer possible. I'd drop you after the first time you pulled that shit.

Drop them how?

[Lochton]

If I am tanking a dungeon as Prot, can I need on a dps item such as the Dal'Rends sword when there is a combat rogue in the group and is his BiS?

The right etiquette is to need for your spec. So if you see something not for your spec, I would guess, asking the group if you can would be the right way.

[Ange]

Look around and if you see 10 players, most likely you will not see 9 of them in the next few weeks in the game, since they will just quit. The casual mass doesnt really have any say in who is blacklisted and who not - you can do what ever you want.

Since this is not vanilla with people actually caring for server-reputation and the amount of player fluctuation is insane high, there is no reason given to not ninja loot everything you want.

Is passing vor everything the right thing to do, when you want to continue playing for a while, while it is expected that the majority WILL LEAVE in days/weeks?

[vsb]

Not thinking about the MH that give 1% crit and strength then? Still makes the set a "tank" set?

Yes. It's a set and supposed to be used as a whole.

[Aggrophobic]

If you are a tank in the group then prot loot is your MS, and taking a dps sword from a dps role is an asshole thing to do. Now if you can use that weapon as prot then that's a different story.

But if nothing else, as others have said just communicate with the group and ask if it's okay to roll need, chances are they will say yea (but that's not guaranteed!)



Please nobody listen to this sort of toxic mentality. Common etiquette is MS>OS>DE/gold/etc

Don't just roll need on everything, effectively screwing over everybody else in your group. "Treat others as you would like to be treated"

And why would tanks do dungeons then, if they can't actually get loot?

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You must grace some of the finest ignore lists on your realm.

Nah, I don't really pug. If someone would bitch about it though, they're very welcome on my ignore list as well.

[shaunika123]

generally speaking, ask first.

but usually mainspec>offspec

[Aggrophobic]

Please read what I said before replying again thanks

I did. I play a tank and I'm rolling on DPS gear becuase thats why I'm there.
In any case, if Blizzard lets you roll on it, you have every right to do so. It's as simple as that. Your own rules are just that, yours and not anyone elses.

[Bigbazz]

No if you want that item play the role.

People tank/heal all the time because they are asked to or need to in order for the run to even happen, despite preferring to dps and specialising in dps. Obviously people are going to roll need on dps items, it's different to a raiding environment where roles are more clearly defined and loot is more limited.

If you don't want to live with this then don't pug, because you will for 100% certain come across the situation on a regular basis regardless of your stance on the matter.

In any case, if Blizzard lets you roll on it, you have every right to do so. It's as simple as that. Your own rules are just that, yours and not anyone elses.

See this is taking things too far, a typical "never go full retard" kinda situation. Blizzard allows you to roll on everything, so by that measure a Warrior has every right to roll on cloth healing gear and a priest has every right to roll on plate tanking gear... You're saying abandon all intelligent reasonable thought around the topic and just use a fuck everyone approach.

"Blizzard doesn't stop me from doing it, so it must be ok".

[Deadite]

I did. I play a tank and I'm rolling on DPS gear becuase thats why I'm there.
In any case, if Blizzard lets you roll on it, you have every right to do so. It's as simple as that. Your own rules are just that, yours and not anyone elses.

I don't think many will disagree that you can roll on DPS gear as long as you are upfront with your intentions. If you make a group and tell them that then they can stay or leave. I guess you are cool if the Holy Pally is hoovering up all the tank/dsp gear out of the blue without mentioning it at the start of the run?

[Jyggalag]

Correct etiquette would be to get confirmation prior to inviting to/joining the group that each player is ok with you needing on an item that isn't an upgrade for the spec you're playing at the time

[Aggrophobic]

I don't think many will disagree that you can roll on DPS gear as long as you are upfront with your intentions. If you make a group and tell them that then they can stay or leave. I guess you are cool if the Holy Pally is hoovering up all the tank/dsp gear out of the blue without mentioning it at the start of the run?

Yeah, of course.

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People tank/heal all the time because they are asked to or need to in order for the run to even happen, despite preferring to dps and specialising in dps. Obviously people are going to roll need on dps items, it's different to a raiding environment where roles are more clearly defined and loot is more limited.

If you don't want to live with this then don't pug, because you will for 100% certain come across the situation on a regular basis regardless of your stance on the matter.



See this is taking things too far, a typical "never go full retard" kinda situation. Blizzard allows you to roll on everything, so by that measure a Warrior has every right to roll on cloth healing gear and a priest has every right to roll on plate tanking gear... You're saying abandon all intelligent reasonable thought around the topic and just use a fuck everyone approach.

"Blizzard doesn't stop me from doing it, so it must be ok".

Yeah, we all need that gear after all.

[unbound]

If I am tanking a dungeon as Prot, can I need on a dps item such as the Dal'Rends sword when there is a combat rogue in the group and is his BiS?

Would you be upset if that rogue rolled need on that BiS shield? You even have this amazing tool called party chat to talk it through. You can say, "Okay if I need on that dps sword as it is an upgrade?" and then you can find out what is acceptable in the group. The group, not you as an individual, got you to that point where it was a possibility to begin with.

Never understood why people struggle with the golden rule. Treat others the way you would want to be treated.