If they destroy another city for faction war bullshit I'm completely done with the game.
I swear to god Blizzard has a fetish for blowing up cities as a method of creating drama.
If they destroy another city for faction war bullshit I'm completely done with the game.
I swear to god Blizzard has a fetish for blowing up cities as a method of creating drama.
At the point, the Horde story is so trashed, it wouldn't make much of a difference. Since the Horde is effectively disbanded at this point, I would let it just die a quiet death and, if you don't drop the two faction system altogether, replace it with something without all the baggage.
i think he only helped us in the darkness scenario, nothing more, Velen did more than him.
Red gul'dan was tearing holes in the reality,opening a gate to the twisting nether sucking the power there, weakened illdn there could not do much imo.I think that Illidan poses too much power for that. Did you read the book written by King? I mean Illidan, it was explained in it that when we(heroes) fought with him, he was on his death bed during that fight... and he still won. If it wasn't for Maiev and Akama, he could've killed us where we stand... and he was like at 1-2% of his power back then.
or how much plot armor he have, i cannot see him being stronger than Arthas there.And I think that explains it really well how powerful Illidan is.
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thats why they wend to the another continent to wipe out the orcs, thats why they have wiped out trolls and gnolls after invading and taking their lands?
created by an eredar aka draenei raceThe Forsaken were created by AN ORC.
it is the humans and elves who invaded their lands and tried to kill thenThe Trolls have pretty much been evil from their inception.
says the alien titan constructs, thinking they had any more power in this world than trolls and taurens, sureThe Tauren can have a pass because they were kind of caught in the middle of a bad situation. We can forgive them. The orcs have access to Draenor, so I say let them go back home. Let them pick between Outland and WoD, but get off my Azeroth.
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they are as much alliens than orcs, since orcs are also born and created in this planent
orcs are also an titan construction, more "pure" than titan constructs being infected by the curse of flesh, you are more of a infection than you thinkThe orcs did not originate on Azeroth, therefore they are an alien infection just like the old gods and Forsaken are. The Forsaken are a disease that spread from the orcish infection of the planet. They must also be purged.
why the trolls didn't learn to let the humans invade their lands and kill then, what a barbaric raceIf the trolls can learn to behave,
you mean lights judgement? the HOLY (aka lightforged power) or forge of light ...a construct made out of light...both have to do with their sub/allied race status. Just like beserk, escape artist etc etc
You mean the city with bank, AH, trainers for profffesions etc. And with a lot of land for food, water etc around it? vs a rock in space without those. :P
And that is why i did not include it in the first place ( both of them). Because they where to small. . But you wanted to add them.
And ingame gilneas is too. But as you pointed out in lore both are cities are lived in.
So if you take my rules alliance has less cities.
And if you take your rules alliance still has less cities.
Orcs settled eventually in a uninhabited desert. Most orcs currently were born on Azeroth, or atleast a huge fraction. Never knowing dreanor.
Titans are invaders, trolls are invaders, elfs are invaders, humans are invaders. All are groups of people that conquered territory they didn't own and colonised it.
In the real world is fully of people migrating and conquering new land. Both the majority of english and Americans aren't descendants of the first people who owned that land.
So no I dont subscribe to your definition of evil. Certainly not any orc younger then thrall.
Several examples of how your logic can be used to show the Horde as good.
-forsaken inhabit, or did atleast before the alliance took Undercity, their ancestral homelands.
- Night Elfs living today aren't in living in the land they were born in, they come from central kamildor not north kamildor. They invaded it
- the Old Horde were right for purging the space goats
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Weren't the Forsaken created by Illidan inadvertently when he used the Eye of Sargeras to crack the Frozen Throne and weaken the Lich King's control over the Scourge of Lordaeron? Or are you talking about the Scourge, which were largely created by a plague orchestrated and spread by the human necromancer Kel'thuzad?
As far as the Alliance's innocence goes, they attempted to force the Amani out of Quel'thelas and they invaded Kalimdor based on the instruction of a human prophet. I won't say they've committed as many atrocities as the Horde (especially if accounting for the magnitude of those atrocities), but they have definitely screwed over non-Alliance to serve their own self-interest.
The only "first people" in North America that had a concept of land ownership in the Western sense was the Delaware. Their idea was only for a season for a family to hunt and was very very uncommon practice being the only case I could come up with a quick search.
Also, many colonists were invited to stay by the first peoples and land given away via treaty. I know it may be hard to grasp but land in many parts of the world was so plentiful to the people that lived there that it was worthless. Hence when Manhatten was bought by $14 dollars the "first people's" got a fortune for something they viewed as worthless.
Also were most "first people's" really there first? Or did they also displace other people that were there before them?
Firstly, no. It hasn't been. Maybe the majority of leaders have been male? But there has been a prevalent number of female characters in WoW. It isn't mysogeny-town. Stop acting like it is.
Second, I don't think the vast majority of people talking about how overwhelming the number of female characters is bothering them have direct issues with female leaders. I think their biggest issue, and this is just an assumption on my part, is that it's something akin to forced diversity. Diversity is great. We need more of it. But when you are using it just for the sake of marking off some socially acceptable checkbox, it feels forced and pandering. A good example is the all female squad scene in Avengers Endgame. They shoe-horned a moment with ALL of these female characters coming in to save the day. And, it just felt... forced. It was an uncomfortable moment, because suddenly in the wake of the last two to three years of the "me too" society, we feel we have to over-emphasize females and give them props to make them feel validated. And it's mostly men writing these scenes and moments. And it's unfortunate.
I take no issue with the the sudden presence of female leaders in WoW. I am happy they are acknowledging strong women in game. But I think to do a wide sweep that shoves a whole bunch of female characters to the front of the story, "just because" does them a disservice. We don't need girl-power moments in movies and games to show that female characters and leads can be badass.
And I think that's the issue most are having. It feels like its forced. Which almost smacks of white knighting.
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Why? Why were they right for basically what became a wholesale slaughter of innocent and peaceful people? The only reason the orcs turned on the Draenei, and it's the ONLY reason, is because they were fed a light by way of Ner'zhul who had been fed a lie by Kil'jaeden.
Draenei didn't land on Draenor and start killing orc and taking the land. They lived together in harmony, peacefully. And then the Legion came. Which, yes was unfortunate. And a direct result of the Draenei being there. But the orcs could have had them leave. And I believe the Draenei would have complied. Instead, nope... lets get all demonincally blood-lusty and just slay the shit out of them.
And while we are on the topic, how EXACTLY where the Trolls invaders? Given they were pretty much the original humanoid species on Azeroth?
Others dudes argument was aliens have not right to life on a foreign planet. I dont agree.
Trolls invaded each other and probably other races as well since they owned basically the entire world at one point. They also sent the ice trolls to kill Aqir in the north. Or because Aqir possibly aren't humanoid do they not count?
I presume you're talking about the allied race leaders, since other race leaders are predominantly male and haven't changed much.
- Void Elves - Alleria was shown to be the first elf to master the void. She shares the leadership with Magister Umbric after offering them her support. Doesn't feel very forced (particularly since it's a shared leadership).
- Lightforged - Captain Fareeya was seen before the allied race was revealed, and the other likely candidates (Velen, Turalyon) aren't lightforged draenei, so it makes sense that she was chosen.
- Dark Iron Dwarves - Moira was established as the leader of the dark iron since Classic. It would be really odd not to have her.
- Kul'Tiran - Jaina is older than WoW and, particularly with how her story resolved with Kul'tiras, it would be really odd for it not to be her.
- Highmountain Tauren - Mayla Highmountain is the leader of the Highmountain tribes, with an entire zone story establishing her position. Again, having a different leader would be really odd.
- Nightborne - Thalyssra, like the other Legion-released allied races, was pre-established as an influential person for the nightborne. With their queen overthrown, it makes sense that she was the one to step into the leadership role.
- Mag'har Orcs - It feels like the developers were going for a "mirror world" effect with Geya'rah, swapping the gender of the Warchief to be more of a parallel universe reflection on Thrall (even though Thrall existed and died as an infant in that timeline IIRC).
- Zandalari - Talanji is the only living heir to the throne (at least that I'm aware of). It would be out-of-character for the Zandalari to bypass her due to some gender dispute.
Of those, the choice of Lightforged leader, Geya'rah, and Talanji are the only ones that seem like they could've been swapped to a male character to me.
Fareeya was one of the first lightforged draenei we encountered, but I never got the impression she led the forces on Argus (then again, Turalyon, Velen, Alleria, and Illidan stole most of the spotlight there); I could see a different lightforged having been selected, but I don't feel bad that she was the one selected.
Talanji was never mentioned before BfA to my knowledge, so they could have used a male heir instead, but with Zul and Rastakahn already being prominent male Zandalari, I liked having a prominent female Zandalari in the mix.
Geya'rah is entering an almost all female cast as allied race leaders, but she also comes from a world with an overwhelmingly male cast. We only saw a few notable female mag'har orcs from alternate Draenor (most notably Draka and Azuka), so it makes sense to include a new prominent female character for the allied race.
So yes, when you look at eight races and all of them have a female leader, it looks forced. When you look at them individually, the decisions make sense, at least to me.
Priestess mad y'all.
Ner'zhul may have been an orc, but the power to create the plague was given by the eredar. The spread of the plague was from a human. The freeing of the undead from the Lich King's control was from a night elf. I don't think you'd have the Forsaken if Kil'jaeden, Kel'thuzad, or Illidan weren't part of the equation. Particularly given Ner'zhul did what he did under duress with the Nathrezim jailers watching over him, I really wouldn't hold the Forsaken's creation against orcs (there's plenty that I would hold against them, but this isn't one of them).
Second pic makes her look like she's taking a dump. Or she looks like Trump. Or she looks like Trump taking a dump. Or maybe that's just how they both always look.