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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I'm not against people getting paid more, just saying there's more to the picture. Despite the cartoon you posted it doesn't reflect how our standard of living has gone way up compared to our grandparents or even our parents.
    And it doesn't show how we're paying more for the things they used to pay for, like schooling.

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    Funny that we're talking disposable income, because it's taken a nose-dive in the last year or so. That, combined with the nose-dive of consumer confidence in September, are yet more warning signs of a coming recession.

    I've personally quoted in the last year or so six or so articles that said, basically, "things would be worse but consumer spending/confidence remains high for some reason". Well, that's ending. And it's taking the GDP with it. Atlanta just predicted 1.8% GDP growth in Q3, as in "less than 2%", and lower manufacturing -- how's it going, GM? -- is only part of that. That's down from 2.1% their earlier prediction.

    "Well, as long as the trade war -- "

    Breaking news, this just in: WTO rules in favor of the US in the Airbus dispute, opening up the option for up to $7.5 billion in US tariffs on EU products.

    "Oh, fuck."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    And it doesn't show how we're paying more for the things they used to pay for, like schooling.
    "Back in my day we didn't have no fancy smartphones or washing machines...just $7 per quarter tuition and 5c per gallon gasoline. Kids these days are so spoiled."
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  4. #27984
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Not really? You don't think we have more disposable income than ever?wow...
    Considering wages have been stagnant for years and due to inflation the last generation was earning more than we do now for even just minimum wage....no!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    "Back in my day we didn't have no fancy smartphones or washing machines...just $7 per quarter tuition and 5c per gallon gasoline. Kids these days are so spoiled."
    Nothing like being able to afford college by literally washing dishes back then, but now if you only washed dishes you'd be lucky enough to be able to feed yourself while paying for school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I am arguing with math, because of advance in technology, things have gotten CHEAPER
    Have you seen the price of EpiPens? Or Insulin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Have you seen the price of EpiPens? Or Insulin?
    Zenkai only said

    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Despite the cartoon you posted it doesn't reflect how our standard of living has gone way up compared to our grandparents or even our parents.
    She said our quality living has gone up, not that our quantity of time living has increased.


    But seriously, healthcare has skyrocketed and it's fucking stupid. Without the ACA last year my hernia surgery would have cost me $60k+ rather than the $600 it cost me in the end and that was from a six hour surgery and a two night stay at the hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    But seriously, healthcare has skyrocketed and it's fucking stupid.
    It's horrifying. Per Bloomsberg,

    The cost of family health coverage in the U.S. now tops $20,000, an annual survey of employers found, a record high that has pushed an increasing number of American workers into plans that cover less or cost more, or force them out of the insurance market entirely.
    And don't get me started on college textbooks, because I'll go on about that all day and drop more f-bombs than Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    Zenkai only said



    She said our quality living has gone up, not that our quantity of time living has increased.


    But seriously, healthcare has skyrocketed and it's fucking stupid. Without the ACA last year my hernia surgery would have cost me $60k+ rather than the $600 it cost me in the end and that was from a six hour surgery and a two night stay at the hospital.
    I would say die you and leave a pretty looking corpse, but given the obesity rates that's now debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It's horrifying. Per Bloomsberg,

    And don't get me started on college textbooks, because I'll go on about that all day and drop more f-bombs than Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
    The worst part is that in a lot of cases the industries which are eating up the entirety of people's disposable income don't offer economic returns in the same way that industries that produce consumer goods or provide services in that class.

    All of this money is just being poured into the pockets of these business owners and Americans are ultimately no better or worse off than when they started. Folks like to talk about how Cold War 2 Chinese Boogaloo is the biggest threat facing the US; but climate change aside, the US even existing may be a function of whether or not it can actually fix its fundamentally broken economy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  10. #27990
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I work less harder and make more money than when I first started my career thanks to modern advancements. But then again, I'm smart.
    Bolded for hilarity.

    Stop engaging him. Even he doesn't believe the crap he writes. Once again I bring up the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I'm not defending what he said I really don't care about this topic other than to educate people when they use the wrong words.
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Russians main goal was to sew political discourse and by God did it work.
    Kind of hard to "educate" other people when you've got your facts wrong. (For the slower among us, it's "sow political discord".)

    Have a nice day, folks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I'm not against people getting paid more, just saying there's more to the picture. Despite the cartoon you posted it doesn't reflect how our standard of living has gone way up compared to our grandparents or even our parents.
    When does the “shit on the streets” argument end and where does this argument begging?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Bolded for hilarity.
    Outside of learning how to query, which isn’t a given, being able to google doesn’t make one smart. It makes people dependent on technology... your intellect doesn’t change with your ability to access a computer.

    But, I don’t think that’s Trump issue. I think it’s a misunderstanding where being able to comment on the subject is noting his intelligence, even if the comment is liddle’ bigly covafefe.
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  12. #27992
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Bolded for hilarity.

    Stop engaging him. Even he doesn't believe the crap he writes. Once again I bring up the following:




    Kind of hard to "educate" other people when you've got your facts wrong. (For the slower among us, it's "sow political discord".)

    Have a nice day, folks!
    Why did you bring up an old post and change the spelling, what was your goal?

  13. #27993
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    I am arguing with math, because of advance in technology, things have gotten CHEAPER
    Healthcare is more expensive than 20 years ago.
    The same college tuitions are more expensive than 20 years ago, same with housing.
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    ... your intellect doesn’t change with your ability to access a computer.
    Oh I think we've seen plenty of proof of that statement over the past few years alone.

  15. #27995
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post


    Donald Trump, 45th President of the United States, a Republican, the party of Reagan, congratulating the leader of a Communist Dictatorship that rules 1.2 billion people and is our chief rival this century.

    Honestly if Twitter were this forum, that tweet would be reported to hell for Trolling. Because it seriously is so fucking nuts I just don't even know where to begin.

    Thanks Donald, for giving our side more ammunition, you daughter-fucking jack off.

    P.S. Communist dicatorships are bad, mmkay?
    So are theocratic dictatorships funding terrorism and groups that directly has attacked US yet you seem to be just fine US being allied with them and funding them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post

    And don't get me started on college textbooks, because I'll go on about that all day and drop more f-bombs than Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
    You know what? you are not alone in this. Here in Chile we also have (had) stupidly high college tuition costs, at least for our standard of living, that left many of us with sky high student debts.
    You know what we did? we protested. For 3 years, with massive student strikes, that paralyzed our country at times. And we (sorta) got a cheaper tuition (at least for the poorest ones).
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    You know what? you are not alone in this. Here in Chile we also have (had) stupidly high college tuition costs, at least for our standard of living, that left many of us with sky high student debts.
    You know what we did? we protested. For 3 years, with massive student strikes, that paralyzed our country at times. And we (sorta) got a cheaper tuition (at least for the poorest ones).
    But striking is for socialists.

    It's not like American workers have ever had to strike for something like the right to talk to each other during work breaks.

    ...Wait.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    So are theocratic dictatorships funding terrorism and groups that directly has attacked US yet you seem to be just fine US being allied with them and funding them.
    AFAIK Skroe isnt fine with the fucking saudis being the allies of the US. It's more of realpolitik on his part than anything.
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Why did you bring up an old post and change the spelling, what was your goal?
    Because you keep touting your intelligence, while making dumb mistakes.

    Remember this gem:
    -snip-

    Good times. Good times.

    Edit: Resized image. Apparently was very large.
    Last edited by Rozz; 2019-10-03 at 01:51 PM. Reason: Edit: Far too large. Also unnecessary to the topic. Please keep personal arguments of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    But striking is for socialists.

    It's not like American workers have ever had to strike for something like the right to talk to each other during work breaks.

    ...Wait.
    I mean.. we actually have a socialist party... And even a communist one! (and even then, we attack them, for being part of the bourgeoise)
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



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