Mega-Thread: Impeachment Proceedings & Inquiry of Trump

[Breccia]

They don't care about all the kids in cages or war crimes, but have the have the GoP go after Biden's corrupt son, and they suddenly care.

This is absolutely correct.

The GOP didn't care about children held in dog cages until they died. The Democrats had to call them out.

The GOP didn't care about W's war crimes. The Democrats had to call them out.

And, yes, the GOP is making a big deal about Biden, three years after they knew about it, and the EU knew about it, and the IMF knew about it, and apparently some of them signed a letter about it, and all of a sudden "Whoa! That stuff we knew about for years? We've suddenly decided it's worth an investigation!"

The hypocrisy of the GOP is on full display. I completely agree with you.

[Shalcker]

Uhuh, and do tell how it was wrong on so many levels, but what Trump did here is okay again.

Why should i?

Investigate Biden AND Trump.

But, clearly, trying to get Trump with impeachment now will get you nowhere. At least if Trump's DoJ actually finds something on Biden that can be potentially actionable.

[nonameelf]

Why should i?

Investigate Biden AND Trump.

But, clearly, trying to get Trump with impeachment now will get you nowhere.

If there was credible evidence to start an investigation into Biden then the DOJ would have already started an investigation into Biden and Trump wouldn't need to try bribing foreign governments to do it.

Literally this whole shitshow is because the DOJ didn't have a reason to investigate Biden.

[Endus]

The worst part is that those on the right keep using 'socialist' pretty much like a slur themselves, but then hide behind it technically not being one.

It's part of why I decided to start publicly speaking out about my own liberal market socialist views. People used "socialist" like it was a dirty word, and it so clearly isn't that I decided to start clearing some air.

In response, I've been called a commie, a Stalin-lover, an authoritarian fascist, you name it. They literally cannot conceive of any economic territory between "RAH RAH AMERICA CAPITALISM" and "STALIN STALIN STALIN SECRET POLICE AND MASS EXECUTIONS". That's how binary their perspective is. The idea that liberal market socialism potentially involves less government management than the current status quo in most Western nations just cannot penetrate, because it's outside those two tiny (and entirely fictional) bubbles.

That's why they freak out whenever a Democrats says they're a "social democrat" or "democratic socialist". Because they can't hear anything but "STALIN FOREVER KILL THE BOURGEOISIE" when it comes out. So they treat you like that, and then hide behind "TECHNICALLY not slur, Stalin-fucker" when you call them on it.

And before anyone claims I'm making up some persecution complex, just a sampling;

you damn commies have the same mindset in evry country...

But then again thats your wet commie dream. To have full control over media . . .

Don't make the mistake to think for a second that the good people of this forum do not see through your schemes Endus.


Your attempts to spread communism and seditious ideology have been noted and will be met with fierce resistance.

Everything about wealth redistribution is immoral you commie

Names and direct links withheld because I have no interest in naming-and-shaming, here.

[Breccia]

And now, Trump's attempt at logic.

So Crooked Hillary Clinton can delete and acid wash 33,000 emails AFTER getting a Subpoena from the United States Congress, but I can’t make one totally appropriate telephone call to the President of Ukraine? Witch Hunt!

Let's examine this. Trump seems to be trying to equate the two in terms of illegality. He also...wait, hold on.

Our Ruling

Trump said, "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails."

Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later.

The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests. Clinton’s team requested for the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena came. They also argued that all the emails that would be relevant to the subpoena had already been turned over to the State Department.

We rate Trump’s claim Half True.

Okay. Anyhow, let's think about this:

1) We have Trump's own edited transcript in which he asks the Ukrainian President to hunt down CrowdStrike, which we all know means that hypothetical server where DNC hacked itself and then blamed Russia. Or at least, that's what the conspiracy theory Trump is clinging to like a $130,000 whore says.

2) Which means Trump thinks But Her Emails are worth investigation. Old news, but bear with me

3) Which, by the equivalence he's tweeting above, means he also thinks is worth investigation.

And speaking of "witch hunt", Sen. Collins calls out Trump for yelling "I am a witch!" in front of reporters.

I thought the president made a big mistake by asking China to get involved in investigating a political opponent. ... It’s completely inappropriate,

Finally, let's address the Schiff issue. There's a movement going around to vote on some kind of "How Dare He Lie?" hypocrisy chastizement, which Collins also brought up:

misrepresented and misled people about what was in the transcript in the call

So, is the problem misrepresenting the call? Because I know someone who also misrepresented the call. Should we vote on that, too?

[Endus]

Yeah it's never a good idea to be on either end of a spectrum. When I call someone a "socialist Democrat" I'm referring figuratively to Democrats lurching to the left during their primaries or other similar situations to try to buy the "progressive" vote. I am probably for some of the things you are, including single-payer healthcare and student loan forgiveness (in certain circumstances).

Then you're using the term improperly, to try and shame Democrats for something that they should be proud of.

All you're really saying is that you don't like it. Well, don't vote for them, then. There's no need to apply labels that don't apply because it's convenient partisan slander.

[Endus]

I don't think people should be proud of blustering and trying to see who can out-freebie one another during a Primary. Especially when their promises sometimes sound blatantly unconstitutional.

Social reforms aren't "freebies".

And the idea that they're "unconstitutional" is ridiculous.

You're just displaying your own partisanship.

[Kiri]

It's part of why I decided to start publicly speaking out about my own liberal market socialist views. People used "socialist" like it was a dirty word, and it so clearly isn't that I decided to start clearing some air.

In response, I've been called a commie, a Stalin-lover, an authoritarian fascist, you name it. They literally cannot conceive of any economic territory between "RAH RAH AMERICA CAPITALISM" and "STALIN STALIN STALIN SECRET POLICE AND MASS EXECUTIONS". That's how binary their perspective is. The idea that liberal market socialism potentially involves less government management than the current status quo in most Western nations just cannot penetrate, because it's outside those two tiny (and entirely fictional) bubbles.

That's why they freak out whenever a Democrats says they're a "social democrat" or "democratic socialist". Because they can't hear anything but "STALIN FOREVER KILL THE BOURGEOISIE" when it comes out. So they treat you like that, and then hide behind "TECHNICALLY not slur, Stalin-fucker" when you call them on it.

And before anyone claims I'm making up some persecution complex, just a sampling;





Names and direct links withheld because I have no interest in naming-and-shaming, here.

Yeah, it is quite sad. You would find that kind of sentiment much less where I am from, simply because we already practice a form of capitalism that is a bit more 'socialist' if you so will. The same is probably true in other coordinated market economies. But I guess states that are even more hardline capitalist tend to have people that react much more strongly against such influences.

Sadly, that all is pretty much institutionalized in the US, or rather, it is a liberal market economy from the ground up, so making any changes there is hard and would breed resentment. That's especially true for those with power and money, in part because it is that very system that made or kept them rich. Heck, Trump himself is a prime example of that. He'd always be against the US becoming more socialist, for that might directly or indirectly threaten his livelihood. Or whatever counts as 'livelihood' for the super rich.

[JohnBrown1917]

Biden's son was corrupt at a company he didn't even work for at the time?

Biden is still getting 50k/month, not many people are niave enough to not see what is going on. But libs gotta defend their own I suppose. It clearly is a greater crime than locking up little kids in cages without beds, or 'losing' them.

[Zaydin]

What does any of this have to do with the impeachment inquiry?

Nothing. It is just Sulla derailing the thread and not getting banned for it.

[JohnBrown1917]

Dafuq? You haven't been paying attention.

Yeah, i'm sure its just a coincidence that they now suddenly want an impeachment and not when he pulled far worse crap. Corrupt asshat going after another corrupt asshat, big woop.

[Zaydin]

Yeah, i'm sure its just a coincidence that they now suddenly want an impeachment and not when he pulled far worse crap. Corrupt asshat going after another corrupt asshat, big woop.

It is almost like this is blatantly impeachable and easy to explain to the American people why what Trump did is criminal.

[Bodakane]

Yeah, i'm sure its just a coincidence that they now suddenly want an impeachment and not when he pulled far worse crap. Corrupt asshat going after another corrupt asshat, big woop.

Again you haven’t been paying attention. This impeachable offense is actually provable. And they’ve been trying to get articles of impeachment passed for years.

[PACOX]

Yeah, i'm sure its just a coincidence that they now suddenly want an impeachment and not when he pulled far worse crap. Corrupt asshat going after another corrupt asshat, big woop.

Investigating private citizens because they politically oppose you is pretty up there among the most dangerous things a president can do. Some will even say it's... Impeachable.

Its OK though. The Dems are here to protect your 1st Amendment rights.

[Noxx79]

I don't think people should be proud of blustering and trying to see who can out-freebie one another during a Primary. Especially when their promises sometimes sound blatantly unconstitutional.

Yet you support trump

[Felya]

I don't think people should be proud of blustering and trying to see who can out-freebie one another during a Primary. Especially when their promises sometimes sound blatantly unconstitutional.

Wow... are you saying democrats are doing what people of US are asking and for the benefit of American people? Quick! Get Russia, Ukraine and Saudi Arabia on the phone and investigate these democrats!

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Biden is still getting 50k/month, not many people are niave enough to not see what is going on. But libs gotta defend their own I suppose. It clearly is a greater crime than locking up little kids in cages without beds, or 'losing' them.

Can you explain how this impeachment, which brought up the Biden accusation, is helping Biden? I get if you say it helps Warren or Bernie, but Bidens numbers are down since this started. Your conspiracy theory doesn’t seem to have the results you claim...

[Smitzelplix]

Trump wants Mitt Romney to be impeached, which of course can't be done and Utah doesn't even have recall votes according to the article.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ys-impeachment

[nonameelf]

Trump wants Mitt Romney to be impeached, which of course can't be done and Utah doesn't even have recall votes according to the article.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ys-impeachment

The fascist probably wishes he could just fire everyone who questions him.

[Zaydin]

Trump wants Mitt Romney to be impeached, which of course can't be done and Utah doesn't even have recall votes according to the article.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ys-impeachment

I brought that up a page or two ago, but yeah. Has anyone explained to him that criticizing him is not a crime no matter how much he wishes it was?

[Orbitus]

I brought that up a page or two ago, but yeah. Has anyone explained to him that criticizing him is not a crime no matter how much he wishes it was?

He wants so badly to be a dictator. He wants to be like his friends Putin and Kim Jong-Un.