8.3 soon™

[Nebron]

calling his point of view something to grow out of yet saying "he's just wrong" because you can't think of an actual argument, sounds like you have some growing to do yourself. you say people correlate poverty with capitalist yet don't understand that poverty is baked into the capitalist economic model, capitalism quite literally cannot exist without poverty. an elimination of poverty under capitalism would require an elimination of the billionaire class, which capitalism exists solely to serve at this point. we absolutely have the means to eliminate poverty and homeless in our society but choose not to because people like jeff bezos have to hoard more money than they could ever hope to spend in 10 lifetimes for absolutely no reason. we've been turned into consumerist drones living solely to fuel their lifestyles and wealth

a socioeconomic shift towards investing in our own people rather than billionaires and a focus on true innovation in art, technology, science, etc. funny that you mention smartphones btw because what we have currently is a profit-driven society that favors making the millionth version of a smartphone that hasnt actually changed in any meaningful way in ten years over producing anything actually creative

I would recommend reading some stuff of austrian economists, look up for a Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations", or if you are not really that interested in economical philosophy, it might be good choice to look for some graphs of Steven Pinker's publications.

The very essential point of capitalism you miss is the fact that, altough capitalism itself stretches the gap between the "wealth status" of the richest and the poorest, it also rises the level of income of the poorest, so it's a win-win situation.

Another line of argumentation: the best, or one of the best, health care system in the world according to most ratings is the one of Singapore - and guess what? they have one of the lowest input of GDP into the health care system, yet it's one of the most effective in the world. And it's largely based on private sector of which many are so scared.

There is no denial that government has a role to play in the game. But the simpliest way to look at this is to ask a question: is there a solution we can get without the government that is effective? And for many question the answer would be yes. But let's take police/ military/ air-pollution. These are not a thing you can put under the free-market operation, since it's uneffective there. So the answer here would be no: governemnt is needed to give us the best possible outcome.

I guess you would go with minimum-wages/ universal income/ fully centralized health care system and so on. Just look at the data, and the answer would be obvious. I really don't want to judge your knowledge, but it seems like you drive your opinion simply on emotions. How would you limit those billionaires? Put high taxes on them? Well, they will register their companies in tax havens. By the way, they offer the most workplaces to people, and competition is the factor to drives the development. It's obvious that the bussiness has no morals, but there is no efective solution for that.

You would say that workers in Bangladesh are exploited because capitalism looks for the cheap workforce. The latter is true, but the problem of these people's poverty is mainly because they have no other opportunities/ alternatives. If you look at the data, there is a straightforward corellation between poverty and corrupted/socialist/communist goverments - mostly in Asia. Will you tell these companies to pay them 10 times more? Don't be surpised if you pay twice for the iphone or whatever you would like to have. Will you tell them not to hire these people for such poor money? They will starve to death. So maybe the problem lies within corrupted goverments holding power in their hands and regulating any sphere of life, so that no competition have an opportunity to flourish, and entrepreneur attitude is not encouraged?

I'm living in Poland. We have some kind of welfare state intorduced here for a couple of years now. The goverment came up with an idea of giving 500 PLN to the family for each child they raise until their 18's. Guess what happened? The number of birth's is barely moved (which was a fundament for these politics), the professional activity within the women dropped siginificantly. The taxes also has been risen, and the number of new companies fell too.

The welfare may seem to work. It all looks so pink and beautiful, but it's essentially ineffective. There is that great myth of Scandinavian countries that work so well under the social-economy. The fact is, that countires like Norway had a "wild-capitalism" up to mid 19th century, when they converted into the current system, and they take credit now for the wealth they gathered. More recent data from the last decade proves, that it's rather a downwards trend than the rise.

So before you listen to people like Bernie Sanders or people alike, get to know what capitalism truly means. It obviously has some flaws in which goverment can interfere, but it's good to know reasons why it happens rather than shooting random solution that seems obvious and effective, rather than are. Look what happened to Greece. It's the perfect example of a country not fully socialist, but largely welfare. It's a bankrupt now.

And when it comes to Scandinavian countries again, it's also important what is the factor of their current politics working for so long. Max Weber wrote on that in he's essays and "Protestant Ethics". A very interesting point of view.

So, I'm definitely not a right-winger. I'm a libertarian. But it's pretty good to look what's really effective and what is not. And some literature may shed a light on these topics I'm not a capitalism-till-my-dying-breath type one a guy. But I can't think of any other way of redistribution that wpuld fair and effective, and all data actually proves this is the way. And next time you talk about profit-only, consumerism-free-market, think honestly of your own contribution to that state of affairs, rather that blaming an entire economical system for that. I can blindly bet you contribute (as I do), that that thing. I have no Instagram, I use no apps, I use an old phone that brother gave me - i find these things pity, yet I do not blame capitalism for that. It's just people who are retarded That's why I support anti-consumerism activists - there is the true power. Thre governemnt won't change a shit about it with some regulations, which people always can get around Fun: look at Greta Thunberg - a girl who fights with global warming. Do you realize what she does is a great disservice to the cause, distracting people from solutions? The proper thing people should have done years ago was to invest into green-energy field of Research and Development - and here we agree - this is where Governement can (but may not always be) effective

[TarzoEzio]

Did a quick one so sorry about it being a bit small

https://imgur.com/a/yQS7mxx

430 hours 19 minutes left on the clock

https://imgur.com/ezgSuov

Showing the coordinates so that people know where it is, and so they can see it for themselves

EDIT: Should point out that I am based in EU, so the time might be different from if it was from the US.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

https://imgur.com/ezgSuov

Showing the coordinates so that people know where it is, and so they can see it for themselves

EDIT: Should point out that I am based in EU, so the time might be different from if it was from the US.

Roughly 17-18 days something happens....I don't know what that means(Thats after Blizzcon to sooooooo). I wouldn't read into it though.

[Nefarious Tea]

I don't think they'll put 8.3 at Blizzcon; it would be utterly drowned out by the new expansion announcement. We'll either know long before, or it won't be up and running until after xmas holidays.

"I'm so hyped about whatever I am fed next even if it's shit"

Capitalism at it's best.

Shitting on someone because they're excited about something. 3edgy5me at its best.

[TarzoEzio]

Roughly 17-18 days something happens....I don't know what that means(Thats after Blizzcon to sooooooo). I wouldn't read into it though.

It is before BlizzCon, it's happening in 18 days (It was like 17.8 days or something, rounding it up), BlizzCon is happening the 1st to the 2nd.

[tmamass]

Define "full raid". 6-7 months is not enough time for a large raid, but it's enough time for a small raid.

Blizzard themself said 6+ month is enough for a "full raid"...

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- +-2 months PTS for usual "content" patches (8.2.5 was on the PTS for almost 2 months and it barely had any content)

nice how peopel judge a patch when they dont even have seen all content because of secrets (there are 2 atm) and time gating like the birthday event.

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The question is: why would they even try to do this? BfA is far from being one of their most successful expansions and plagued by so many flaws that I don't see any reason for them to drag it out longer than necessary.

As I said before just because YOU dont like BFA doesnt mean its a failure....

Revenue down.
Profit down.
Massive layoffs.

citation needed for you claims.

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This shit expansion can't end soon enough.
Quit the game in August and I'm only coming back next expansion.

Good for you! now go out and enjoy the world outside

[tmamass]

I'd rather they scrap 8.3 entirely and focus on the next expansion and hopefully It won't be a WoD-Legion situation where they just spend time delivering to us a bigger grind than ever.

not gonna happen as 8.3 is now officially in the works. btw why do you care you dont play wow anyway since april 2015?....

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as others mentioned, doesn't make sense considering we didn't properly "connect" to n'zoth storyline as of yet, and sylvie story is... fvck knows where really
not that "making or not making sense" means much for blizz but...

you can thank mrs. "i can not write good stories" golden for this.... blizzard hired her and we get the worst "story" in game ever....

[rhorle]

you can thank mrs. "i can not write good stories" golden for this.... blizzard hired her and we get the worst "story" in game ever....

Because Blizzard always made sense with story. How long did it take to find out what happened to Varian? People need to stop hyper focusing on one person as a scape goat. It isn't just one person. Nor is it the fault of golden that you don't like the story as it has unfolded so far.

[Foolicious]

not gonna happen as 8.3 is now officially in the works. btw why do you care you dont play wow anyway since april 2015?....

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you can thank mrs. "i can not write good stories" golden for this.... blizzard hired her and we get the worst "story" in game ever....

Just a quick reminder that Christie golden joined blizzard when most (maybe all) of bfas story was already written.

[towelliee]

/wave Who likes Mondays? Personally it is my favorite day of the week

[TarzoEzio]

/wave Who likes Mondays? Personally it is my favorite day of the week

You can't say stuff like this, gets me over excited.

[TriHard]

/wave Who likes Mondays? Personally it is my favorite day of the week

How's classic?

[Seiklis]

Roughly 17-18 days something happens....I don't know what that means(Thats after Blizzcon to sooooooo). I wouldn't read into it though.

Nope 2 weeks before blizzcon. If they do a presentation next week of 8.3 then that could be the ptr date

That all said, it's a week later than I expected since I figured we'd get some 8.3 info this week with that encrypted patch showing up last week

[Nyel]

As I said before just because YOU dont like BFA doesnt mean its a failure....


citation needed for you claims.

Right, it's not on me to judge, it's on the players and the overall reception and performance of Blizzard. Go check the quarterly results for Blizzard. You have to do the work by yourself in comparing quarters though (unless I find my post from several months ago where all was laid out in detail).

https://investor.activision.com/fina...rterly-results

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Why wouldn't we defeat N'zoth. What exactly makes him special when every other Old God was dealt with in a mid content patch?

Because he's the only Old God that's entirely free and not bound to his prison.

[Romanz]

We'll get an announcement anytime today (10/7) or tomorrow (10/8) about a developer live stream happening anytime between 10/8-10/11. 8.3 Hits ptr 10/22-10/24

[sylenna]

"I'm so hyped about whatever I am fed next even if it's shit"

Capitalism at it's best.

i liked the whole ride these past decade and a half and i liked nearly everything blizzard "did to me". i, too, am hyped for the next expansion. i always thought of a filler expansion when they announced BfA and was pleasantly surprised of these two gorgeous landmasses. but since blizzard is seen by the community to outdo themselves this time.. more good news for me.

doesn't have anything to do with capitalism. people are allowed to squirm fanboyish for things.

[Marlamin]

Did a quick one so sorry about it being a bit small

https://imgur.com/a/yQS7mxx

430 hours 19 minutes left on the clock

I blame @Stiven for this.

[Daffan]

Imagine wasting your life on the forums for a game you hate.

Hello fellow patron

[Stiven]

I blame @Stiven for this.

Why me?


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[Sendhelpxx]

Thats pretty hype =)