Why are Moonkins so persecuted and few?

[Doffen]

Classic community at it's finest

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The biggest thing I've noticed in classic is that people won't leave the group after wipes. When I played retail, if you wipe twice, you have a decent chance that someone will leave. In Classic I have yet to have someone leave because we have wiped too many times (I've been 60 for a week).

Of course they wont leave, take ages to find a new group and the runs takes longer when you include running to the dungeon and so on. I am not one to leave bad groups myself, but both version of WoW has its pros and cons. Being able to join a group fast and leave it fast are two sides of the same thing. Both good and bad at the same time.

[tikcol]

Because they are not designed to do damage. Blizzard created 9 classes, 8 for each faction, and build them accordingly to their role: Every Hybrid-Class is Healer, except for Warrior. That Warrior is an acceptable dps-class is simply because they don't have mana AND because they can share the gear with Rogues that are actually designed to be an actual dps-class.

So Moonkins are few, because they were never designed to be viable. Druid has to heal, period. This is not my view, this is the view of the designers in Vanilla. I think everyone should play how they want.

Warrior isn't an acceptable dps class tho. They are the best dps class and all logs prove it

[lummiuster]

So I was in BRD runs and a Moonkin was getting harassed by our healer saying the moonkin was a waste of a group slot and telling the moonkin to reroll Resto if she ever wanted a group.
She told him that she likes playing the game how she wanted before getting kicked and the healer told me and others to blacklist her.

She was topping dps chart though. Why do people hate moonkins so much?

When you see this kind of scenario, put the healer on ignore and leave. These people are mega toxic. You dont wanna play with them because one day they will find something about you.
Yesterday a tank left the group because the warlock didnt do the quest to get his felhunter demon. Cant believe these people exist.

[tikcol]

Sounds like a random encounter to me. That could just as well have been on retail. There are entitled toxic cunts on both retail and classic (And every other online game there is), sometimes you run into them, sometimes you dont.

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Yeah, people are so damn stuck up on pre-bis lists etc, it's rather redicilous. For instance, there is a pair of bracers that is on every Rogue pre-bis list, and they are listed for like 100g, while Shadocraft (which only has 4 less str) goes for 50g. That's a 4 attack power difference, and if you manage to get 4 Shadowcraft you get a free 40 attack power from the set bonus. But hey, it's not on the pre-bis list so people have zero clue.

Also the spellcleave mentatilty Twitch streamers created, geez. As a rogue I have a bad time getting into a group, even though my DPS is rather good (godlike cleave every other minute, and really strong ST dmg, especially with a shaman in my group).

That's just how it works. Check frozen wrath bracers or cloaks and you'll see that you will be paying around 20g for 1 frost damage if not more on those pieces

[Specialka]

Well, it is opinion vs opinion, so his is as valid as yours. I share his though, I've had mostly good encounters in Classic, whereas in Retail people rarely even say hello when joining a group, and leave after the first wipe.

They do not leave because it takes ages to find a group and starts the run. And since everything takes longer, you are stuck with the same ppl for longer, so you might as well say hello.

[Shadowsgrace]

So I was in BRD runs and a Moonkin was getting harassed by our healer saying the moonkin was a waste of a group slot and telling the moonkin to reroll Resto if she ever wanted a group.
She told him that she likes playing the game how she wanted before getting kicked and the healer told me and others to blacklist her.

She was topping dps chart though. Why do people hate moonkins so much?

Because in Vanilla they weren't known as "Moonkin" but "Oomkin". they could perform their rotation perfectly, chug a mana pot on CD and still could only perform subpar DPS. It's just not the role they were intended to perform in Blizzard's mind at the time. The only reason they were topping the DPS, was because of the length of fights. If they dragged out as long as a normal raid boss fight they would have been midrange at best.

[Flurryfang]

Plot twist!: OP was the healer O.o

[Annelie]

Plot twist!: OP was the healer O.o

That was said on Page 1 already.

[deenman]

So I was in BRD runs and a Moonkin was getting harassed by our healer saying the moonkin was a waste of a group slot and telling the moonkin to reroll Resto if she ever wanted a group.
She told him that she likes playing the game how she wanted before getting kicked and the healer told me and others to blacklist her.

She was topping dps chart though. Why do people hate moonkins so much?

I have noticed a few examples of people acting this way,seems to me classic is a fair bit more toxic than retail,granted in retail i have been with the same guild since mop so i never ran in to such issues,and random dungeons dont rly have such problems pop up

[CrawlFromThePit]

So I was in BRD runs and a Moonkin was getting harassed by our healer saying the moonkin was a waste of a group slot and telling the moonkin to reroll Resto if she ever wanted a group.
She told him that she likes playing the game how she wanted before getting kicked and the healer told me and others to blacklist her.

She was topping dps chart though. Why do people hate moonkins so much?

Sounds like a giant bullshit situation. Why would the healer suddenly cry about a moonkin? Did the healer actually want to dps but was forced to heal cuz the druid wouldn't? What happened to make that guy go off? He didn't just randomly started hating on the top dps of the group for no reason, no one does that.

[Nnyco]

Theres a reason they are called oomkin.

[Jujudrood]

Why do people shit on boomkins?
They go oom in raids if a fight lasts longer than their mana bar.
That's it.
They are more than fine in dungeons with a half-competent group.

The real issue in this maybe real, maybe hypothetical scenario is the healer chose to join a group with a boomkin, then chose to shit on them.
The real issue is the healer is a tryhard dickbag.

If you find yourself in agreement with this healer, then do us all a favor; don't join random groups anymore.
Make your own, vet the players as needed, form whatever meta you believe is necessary/most efficient/whatever.
Stop joining random groups then shitting on people because, in the end, you are the one who looks like the asshat.

[kail]

I've ran dungeons with ret pallies and feral dps with no issue. They're not exactly challenging as most wipes are due to bad pulls. Hell a friend of mine apprantly did strat with a 2h warrior tank (arms spec ai think). Surprised anyone is that picky with dungeons.

Blacklist the healer, problem solved.
There is literally no reason to prevent any class from playing what they want in classic. Yes, even Ret paladins. The raids are so easy. Our guild did our first MC raid last week and we wiped 3 times on trash. Zero times on bosses.

If you're doing 40 man, yeah dead spots would hardly be noticable. Our guild is currently doing MC and Ony as a 20-25 man. The leader is not taking bad specs.

[TwoMana]

Assholes are everywhere. However, Classic is far better than retail in terms of community and people helping one another. You can carry this torch if you want, but the simple fact is that Classic has a much healthier and positive vibe than retail does at this moment in time.

Well sure, I can't really argue with that.
Right, now back to this thread..

[netherflame]

So I was in BRD runs and a Moonkin was getting harassed by our healer saying the moonkin was a waste of a group slot

The healer is right, moonkin is pretty bad at damage.

and telling the moonkin to reroll Resto if she ever wanted a group.

Resto druid is top tier, they should definitely reroll resto.

She told him that she likes playing the game how she wanted before getting kicked

She can play the game how she wants, other people like your healer will play it like they like too......sounds like they like to play it without boomkins.

and the healer told me and others to blacklist her.

Thats up to you, that healer isn't your dad....you can do what you want.

She was topping dps chart though. Why do people hate moonkins so much?

The hell were your other dps doing?

[Hero2Zer0]

In vanilla we had 2 offspec druids healing from mc-aq40 I was one of them. No one berated us, but the Raid leader brought us specifically for our auras. LotP and Moonkin Aura. I remember when I joined they purposely went back ran ZG for the fishing pole so I could catch up.

[ellieg]

Ppl are dumb. Ppl take dps comparisons from raids at 60 and assume that matters for 5 mans while levelling.

Take rets for example. Shit dmg in raids. Actually pretty good damage in the lower level 5 mans plus the buffs they bring. Also have rez so you can bring a druid healer.

Mage does great damage in raids. In lvling 5 mans they do good dmg too but drink after every pull. So if you have a decent healer, and other classes with good mana sustain or melee, they arent actually a good fit for your group.

I'd take a moonkin over an elitist priest healer anyday.

[Cizr]

So I was in BRD runs and a Moonkin was getting harassed by our healer saying the moonkin was a waste of a group slot and telling the moonkin to reroll Resto if she ever wanted a group.
She told him that she likes playing the game how she wanted before getting kicked and the healer told me and others to blacklist her.

She was topping dps chart though. Why do people hate moonkins so much?

Moonkin are...not good but the healer here was clearly elitist jerk. If someone deserve blacklist it is him

[ClassicIsTerrible]

It's almost as if Classic is actually a shitty game with shitty class balancing but I guess as long as you get your rocks off on nostalgia lmao.

[ellieg]

It's almost as if Classic is actually a shitty game with shitty class balancing but I guess as long as you get your rocks off on nostalgia lmao.

Imagine hating the fact that ppl enjoy a game so much that you have to create a troll account with a username announcing how much you hate the game. Then you specifically go to the fan website of the game, into the specific sub forum, just to post about how much you dislike the game lmao.

You know you can just play a different game right? And no one is forcing you to look at classic wow content.