Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

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Teddy Roosevelt would be ready to shoot people if he saw this.

[ParanoiD84]

Trump is a idiot for abandoning the Kurds in syria, fuck Erdogan. The kurds where a huge allie against IS and now the us is just gonna back off? nah fuck that shit they should be there telling turkey to fuck off and leave the kurds there.

[Thekri]

Jesus christ, the news about Syria truly deserve their own thread.
It is likely that there is going to be blood, and more than before when Turkey moved into Afrin.
Kurds have been betrayed (yes, betrayed, no need to soften the reality) for an "ally" which is becoming increasingly belligerent and unreliable as Turkey continues to slide into autocracy (I can hear the Ataturk spinning) and consorts with nations which are really not our friends - chiefly Russia.
I wonder what the troops there are thinking, after being allied with kurds for more than a decade, with so many positive responses about them. My guess is that enough US soldiers will feel betrayed by their leadership as well.
Kurds are the only rational voice in the region, even with their own flaws. There is no one else.

And then there is the thing about USA's internation reputation. It again has fallen, for world watches and sees that USA's trustworthiness as allies are continuing to drop, so why trust them in the future? And no, USA does need allies, dont really have to explain that one...

So tell me, Trump supporters, is this really worth it?

Status quo, while not ideal, at least worked somehow...
P.S.
I do wonder what Erdogan promised Trump. I really do... Because I do not see anything outside of reelection trick "Our GREAT Troops are coming home!!111'.

I mean we could make a new thread, but it would be the exact same responses on here. This horrible, but we have seen it coming for months. I was never personally deployed to Syria, but a lot of my friends were, in fact I know quite a few people over there now. We have been talking about this upcoming development since at least April.

Basically what is going on is that the Kurds have consolidated a power base in northern Syria, which is precisely what the Turks have called unacceptable from the beginning. The Kurds were able to do this largely because the US has been blocking the Russian and Syrian forces from pushing them out, in the meantime they have successfully eliminated ISIS and Shiite militias from their area, so the US was pretty happy with that. However, the Turks have been escalating rhetoric that they are going to attack into Syria to clear them out, which will be spectacularly bloody.

This is the exact reason Mattis resigned with that angry letter, the Kurds have been the only group over there that has consistently backed the US for the last two decades or more. They are still extremely grateful that we removed Saddam (Who was massacring them) and later ISIS (Same), however now we have apparently decided it is fine to let the Turks go massacre them.

Reminder for everyone, Syria isn't a war with two sides. Like Afghanistan and Iraq, there are dozens of players involved, and they all have their agendas. They combine in some places, and clash in others. For instance, Israel, Iran, Russia, Turkey and the US all prioritize striking ISIS, and loosely cooperate in doing so. However Turkey and Russians also target Kurds, while the US backs them, and Israel and Iran don't give a shit about them as long as they stay out of the way. Meanwhile the Syrian government is mostly concerned with seizing territory, Iran is backing strikes on Israel, Israel is attempting to clear out Iranian influence, the Saudis are funding everyone, local smugglers and crimelords are making bank off everyone, and ISIS is murdering everyone like the Joker. So it is a clusterfuck.

Trump understands none of this, and gets extremely frustrated when anyone tries to explain it to him, so he keeps demanding broad simple solutions like this one. Every time he does, a bunch of generals sit him down and explain to him all the people his plan is going to get killed. Eventually, he has managed to fire all those generals, and now we finally have this disaster. I am sure Trump got some sort of "Guarantee" from Erdogan that there won't be any massacres, which he feels gives him enough plausible deniability to do it. Of course that guarantee is worthless, because among other things, the Kurds aren't going to let him move in unopposed in the first place. So when the slaughter starts, Trump will pretend he had nothing to do with it, and busily deflect. The media will spend about 10 minutes on it, and go back to talking about Trump dropping the N-word on twitter or something.

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I think it would be cool to chat with the actual person behind Shlacker puppet. How their work conditions are (post quota, how many forums to troll in etc). If their wage is more than minimum/median wages. If they are happy with their job.

Trust me, you don't. They are just as unimaginative and stupid as their posts make them out to be.

Unable to think, unable to hold a conversation, unable to even reply to something like "Are you even russian, or just posing as one?" in good faith.

There's a few here and then there's the One Who Coddles Them.

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Exactly. Well said. Keep posting, I enjoy reading your rebuttals.

As if anyone needed a reason to consider all your posts null and void, you defend the most obvious of all russian trolls. GG. "Better russian than democrat", eh?

[zenkai]

Get involved in the middle east, we're called war mongers.

pull out of the middle east, get asked why we're not fixing it.


Fuck having American soldiers die for other countries.

[Shadowferal]

hmf...Trump doesn't understand because he doesn't care.
Russia wants to dominate Syria and that's all he needs to know.

Once Trump has a little "talk" to Lindsey Graham giving him a reality check I won't be surprised if he does an about-face. Of which Graham will express his admiration for the sheer tactical genius of Trump's decision.

[Breccia]

Oh just like he warned North Korea, Iran, Russia and China, repeatedly? His threats have been mostly empty air.

This exact quote, right here, is one of the reasons these forums should have upvotes.

Name one goddam thing NK did because of Trump's fire and fury threats. They're still launching missiles, and also, telling Trump "don't mention that we're launching missiles at the UN". That's, like, a step through failure and out the other side. Is there a word for this? Failgasm? Catastraphuck? Debacalypse? M. Night Shamavatar?

[Shadowferal]

Exclusive: Official Who Heard Call Says Trump Got 'Rolled' By Turkey and 'Has No Spine'

Donald Trump got "rolled" by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a National Security Council source with direct knowledge of the discussions told Newsweek.

In a scheduled phone call on Sunday afternoon between President Trump and President Erdogan, Trump said he would withdraw U.S. forces from northern Syria. The phone call was scheduled after Turkey announced it was planning to invade Syria, and hours after Erdogan reinforced his army units at the Syrian-Turkish border and issued his strongest threat to launch a military incursion, according to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of anonymity.

The U.S. withdrawal plays into the hands of the Islamic State group, Damascus and Moscow, and the announcement left Trump's own Defense Department "completely stunned," said Pentagon officials. Turkey, like the United States, wants regime change in Syria. Russia and Iran support the Assad regime.

"President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting something—but we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."

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When has Trump destroyed anyone else's economy other than our own?
In fact, when has Trump ever carried out any Twitter threat?

If the Kurds deserve better, then why are we abandoning them?

Yeah, no, fuck off. Take your nonsense somewhere else that actually has a chance to believe you and Trump.

I see the usual suspect is at it again. What exactly is flaming in this post? "Fuck off"? Thwart, get off these fucking boards. You are a disgrace.

[Gib Lover]

Turkey couldn't even wait a day, already airstriking Kurds.
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/s...85712345403393

[Breccia]

Official Who Heard Call Says Trump Got 'Rolled' By Turkey and 'Has No Spine'

I've said it before, but I'll repeat because I'm an egomaniac.

Every world leader on Earth knows how to roll Trump. Most just have enough ethics not to do it. And even that's questionable. Remember the French parade?

But it's gotten worse. Trump has a year and change to sell his policies as anything other than (checks list of terms already used) failtaculars to the American people. His big thing was supposed to be the economy, and that fell apart like a Trump casino. As such, it's an inferred blackmail to every leader on Earth that, if they help Trump, they will expect payment of some kind in advance, and it's not even blackmail since he's doing it to himself. Trump is so desperate that he tried to bring terrorists to the White House lawn. You think Turkey wasn't watching and said "Shit, I know an opportunity when I see one!" and offered Trump some troops to take home at the low low price of "one genocide please"?

Turkey couldn't even wait a day, already airstriking Kurds.

As I was typing. As I was fucking typing!

[Themius]

Actually, I think it's "outrages" too. Why did it have to be a CIA agent? Why didn't Pompeo, Pence's NSA, or literally anyone else say "Mr. Trump, you can't do that"? Why did it have to be the CIA, who take notes on such calls and have for ages?

Also, bear in mind, "the worst thing about this whole situation is you know Trump did it" is a really lame-ass limp-dick defense of IMPOTUS.

Republicans by and large don't seem to bothered by any of that which is... not surprising.

As an aside:

Is your name a reference to the poorly sorted sedimentary rock with angular clasts?

[ParanoiD84]

Turkey couldn't even wait a day, already airstriking Kurds.
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/s...85712345403393

Motherfuckers.

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Turkey couldn't even wait a day, already airstriking Kurds.
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/s...85712345403393

Those who are surprised:

[Breccia]

I hope that Turkey wont try shit against Kurds and

Well, I think your opinion is called for. Please explain your take on current events. This is not sarcasm. I'm honestly curious how you feel, based on your last 5-6 posts.

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Well, I think your opinion is called for. Please explain your take on current events. This is not sarcasm. I'm honestly curious how you feel, based on your last 5-6 posts.

"..."

I'd like to type out what I THINK he will reply, but let's wait for his own input.

[Breccia]

Your grocery bills will 'significantly go up' with new EU tariffs, experts say

While some of those tariffs are directed at aircrafts, a large amount of them fell on agricultural goods, mostly from France, Germany, Spain and the U.K., sending producers abroad and importers in the U.S. reeling.

A 25% tariff on German coffee, Scotch whiskey, British biscuits, Spanish olives, Italian cheeses, French wines and many more are among the myriad of tariffs on EU goods set to go into effect on Oct. 18.

Americans' grocery bills are going to "significantly go up, at least 25 to 40%, depending on the retailer," Phil Kafarakis, the president of the Specialty Food Association, told ABC News Monday.

Because of the short warning producers and exporters were given for the tariffs, Kafarakis said the costs would likely go straight to the consumers.

"These tariffs are coming at a time with a two-week notice when inventories are being readjusted, so it's such a short period of time for the supply chain, so we believe they are going to be passed right on to the consumers," he said. "It's sad going into the holidays in particular."

When it comes to restaurants that don't often have an inventory built up the way a grocery store would, "you're going to see a broad range immediate price increase" on menus, Kafarakis said.

While these goods may be coming from Europe, "it's not that this is caviar or high-end champagne," Kafarakis said, adding that most everyday consumers will likely be impacted.

Now I'll stop here -- most of the rest are cited experts, read all you want, it's informed stuff -- but I will say, based on other tariff-related discussions we've had, stores are likely not going to increase their EU food by 25% and then call it a day. Rather than have the sticker shock, they'll increase all food items the same percent, hiding the cost increase. So even BlamCo Mac & Cheese, Dandy Boy Apples and Cram are going up in price, even if they're all made in the USA.

[Zaktar]

Your grocery bills will 'significantly go up' with new EU tariffs, experts say



Now I'll stop here -- most of the rest are cited experts, read all you want, it's informed stuff -- but I will say, based on other tariff-related discussions we've had, stores are likely not going to increase their EU food by 25% and then call it a day. Rather than have the sticker shock, they'll increase all food items the same percent, hiding the cost increase. So even BlamCo Mac & Cheese, Dandy Boy Apples and Cram are going up in price, even if they're all made in the USA.

Crispy squirrel bits it is then.

[Cizr]

Well, I think your opinion is called for. Please explain your take on current events. This is not sarcasm. I'm honestly curious how you feel, based on your last 5-6 posts.

Kurds are good and fought hard against ISIS. If you look at their history its pretty sad with lot of injustices made against them. I would like them to have their own country someday (but thats whole different problem)
I dont like Turkey and specially their despotic leader. I consider Turkey pretty unrealiable ally and as European I hate how they blackmail EU, deny Armenian genocide and how they treat Kurds.
I understand why Trump wants to pull US soldiers from this conflict and I think that US soldiers would also prefer to be at home.

I hope Trump will really act if Turkey tries to pull some shit on Kurds. If not, fuck him.

[Breccia]

More! MORE!

This betrayal of the Kurds will also severely harm our credibility as an ally the world over. President Trump should rethink this decision immediately

Toomey!

[This is a] bad decision will likely result in the slaughter of allies.

I hope the president will listen to his generals and reconsider

Sasse!

No matter what President Trump is saying about his decision, it is EXACTLY what President Obama did in Iraq with even more disastrous consequences for our national security

Graham again!

Our enemies and rivals (Iran, Russia, etc.) don’t abandon their allies; if we want allies to stand with America in the future, we shouldn’t either. Honorable nations stand by their friends.

It would also be DISGRACEFUL if we sat idly by while Turkey slaughters the Kurds, as public reports suggest that Turkish leader Erdogan explicitly told President Trump he intends to do. Kurds risked their lives—for many years—to fight alongside us.

Cruz!

There's one word that describes this for me, betrayal. I think it's a strategic blunder that will have significant implications... We went into eastern Syria to defeat ISIS. The Syrian democratic forces, which the Kurds were a part of, had 60,000 ground troops. We provided 2,000 to help them. It took us two years. We fought every single day to defeat ISIS. The Syrian Kurds, who we're talking about here, lost over 11,000 in that fight.

And now we're trying to keep our foot on their throat so they don't reemerge again in eastern Syria and they're already showing some activity. How can we possibly walk away from them?

This US General on FOX Freaking News!

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I hope Trump will really act if Turkey tries to pull some shit on Kurds. If not, fuck him.

Thank you for responding. But um...I think one of those "if"s is no longer valid.