Given how Voss flat out rejects the leadership role with that being the primary reason why she reached out to Calia, that entire prospect flies out of the window. And not like a free happy bird but through defenestration. Which means that Calia will minister to any and all Forsaken, because that's the unification way. And those any and all Forsaken will like it.
The what now? And if you already said all you wanted to say earlier in the thread why fallaciously misrepresent my position in order to merrily dismiss it in the first place, eh?
How does that relate to what you replied to there again?
I don't mind them developing, but they could have easily done it without inserting Alliance lapdogs into leadership role of a Horde nation.
In Vanilla there was a quest where it was explained that Forsaken are sinister by 'nature' due the undeath, unable to feel positive emotions. The only joy they had was from inflicting suffering upon others and that Light could make them feel alive before getting overwhelmed by pain soon after. We also know Tauren played a huge role in accepting Forsaken into Horde's ranks because they felt pity and wanted to cure them of their state.
I would rather prefer that Tauren druids find a cure to certain aspects of undeath. It would make a sense now that Sylvanas forsake them and with Baine in charge, it would actually bond them with Horde even more. If the Tauren could make them feel once again it wouldn't sacrifice their identity raising from history, the world wasn't kind to them when they gained a free will.
Instead we will probably get an utopian kingdom of all the raised races led by a lightbound opportunist living forever and after in an undead happy dream.
Even as someone who could be defined as "anti-Calia" I could definitly get behind a council style Forsaken leadership that allowed for legitimate diversity. The only issue is that Blizzard seems to gave been moving away from diversity within races since Cata, with at present each race being more or less epitomised by a single ethos. I would be very very suprised if we continued to see any "old school" Forsaken post-Calia in any new content (though I doubt they will change the existing zones).
According to the datamined text, it seems Voss is actually taking on the role of Forsaken racial leader, at least in the interim. Calia isn't yet ready to take up the mantle herself. What happens in the future remains to be seen.
Overlord Gey'arah: The Mag'har have never known life without a warchief. It will be hard for them--and for me. But it seems your people have lost a queen as well.
Lilian Voss: The Forsaken are torn by turmoil and doubt. Many still love Sylvanas, even after all she has done. Others believe their home remains in the Horde.
Overlord Geya'rah: And you? Where do your loyalties lie?
Lilian Voss: Where they always have--with the Forsaken. To be raised into undeath is to be forever haunted by the ghosts of your past. A caring hand can offer comfort through the pain.
Overlord Geya'rah: I see no crown upon your head. Are you the new queen they seek?
Lilian Voss: No. I'll speak on my people's behalf, but I won't rule them. There is another I believe will prove better suited to that task... when the time is right.
Overlord Geya'rah: The love you hold for your people burns as bright as my own for the Mag'har. I wish you good fortune, Lilian Voss.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
I what? First of all, i don't remember all of the people i answer to rather than what they said, and i need to go back to even read what i answered you. I only have read now the notifications where you answer to half of the people on the thread and i couldn't bare to even type more than i already typed today, and you're saying just because i don't want to type i fallaciously misrepresent your position?
I'm no fan of Sylvanas. With that said, this is just the latest act in a long line of events meant to push the Horde as being less unique and more similar to the Alliance.
Well it's official, i will never return to retail.
my goodness this is an awful decision.
I didn't roll zombie warlock (evil wizard) to become an ally sympathizing loser down the road.
my character would rather die with sylvanas than let calia even speak to me.
“I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.”
― Ronald Regan
Yes, Voss saying she won't rule the Forsaken is her expressing her deepest desire to be a ruler of the Forsaken. Truly. That she then goes to Calia to explain the plight of the Forsaken to her (using Night Elven "Forsaken" that are there for some reason as an example because they are the bread and butter of that race) to convince Calia to take up the mantle only cements that.
I actually feel as if the races are becoming more diverse, oddly enough - the injection of the Allied Races into the main bodies of the various Horde and Alliance races bring new points of view, schools of thought, and perspectives. The AU Mag'har bring a sense of headstrong warrior mentality back to the Orcs, the Zandalari a regal and deeply traditional aspect to the more nomadic and adaptive Darkspear Trolls, the Lightforged Draenei a more militant and less peace-loving strain of Draenei, and the Kul Tiran Humans a more zealous and hidebound example of Humans.
I don't think a shift in demographics ever need to lead to an extinction of one type of viewpoint, though; the Forsaken are more than capable of espousing a myriad of opinions about their own state of being, their futures as a people, etc. etc. I dislike the whole "planet of hats" trope when it to storytelling - and while I think each race can and should have a basic theme just for ease of reference, I don't think those themes should be total or absolute in nature.
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"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Are you seriously going to pretend you forgot a post you made like five minutes ago? Here's a refresher then:
And I'm not saying that just because you don't want to type I fallaciously misrepresented what I said. I'm saying you concocting a nonsensical excuse for that is you doing that. Kinda obvious.