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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    But the fact is Blizzard chose to be as severe as possible...to please China. And i dont think my beliefs are tinfoil...just a normal assessment of the situation.
    No. The rule has always been that severe. There are no other situations of them invoking this rule, that I know of, and being less severe. These things are also likely contracts signed by multiple parties. Failing to uphold that contract can open up other issues. Does it suck? Sure. But it would have been done if they made any other political statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    No. The rule has always been that severe. There are no other situations of them invoking this rule, that I know of, and being less severe. These things are also likely contracts signed by multiple parties. Failing to uphold that contract can open up other issues. Does it suck? Sure. But it would have been done if they made any other political statement.
    So then say he broke a rule in his contract and leave it at that?

    Instead Blizzard is trying their best to censor the fact that this even happened. Or in other words, likely doing what the chinese government told them to do.

    Blizzard isn't getting all this shit because of the fact they banned him(granted it was bad but if they stated the reason and left it at that it likely would of been over and done with), they're getting it because they went way, way further then that firing casters, nuking twitch streams, taking down a sub reddit, deleting any discussion about it on their own forums etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    So then say he broke a rule in his contract and leave it at that?
    That is exactly what they did. They took action in exactly what the rule said they would do. They can't just say they broke the rules and not do anything. They are not trying to erase that it ever happen. They made an official statement about it and released it with exactly what they did and the rule it violated.

    Of course they are taking moderation on their forums and others are doing it on their forums and sites. Even MMO-Champion was moderated discussion on this subject. Because there are rules and places to discuss things. The fact they keep following rules isn't proof of censorship because of China. It is simply proof that they are following the rules that you and thousands of others had no problem with until this event happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Besides that is a moot argument since you are voicing it on a website that promotes non-democracy since they have rules against sharing opinions and often suppress them with moderation.
    MMO-Champion, just like Activision/Blizzard are private entities and platforms and it's well within their rights to decide what goes on their platforms. That's fine.
    However it's not fine to punish people for speaking out on other platforms...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    MMO-Champion, just like Activision/Blizzard are private entities and platforms and it's well within their rights to decide what goes on their platforms. That's fine. However it's not fine to punish people for speaking out on other platforms...
    A private entity that is "employing" a person that agreed to abide by X rules. So it is with in their rights to decide what happens unless of course it involves China or what ever for the moment thing of the internet. It was a "official" coverage of the event. So it fits your own rules and yet is somehow still wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    No. The rule has always been that severe. There are no other situations of them invoking this rule, that I know of, and being less severe. These things are also likely contracts signed by multiple parties. Failing to uphold that contract can open up other issues. Does it suck? Sure. But it would have been done if they made any other political statement.
    So point me where they broke the rule:

    RULE:
    "Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms."

    We THINK it was "public disrepute"

    Meaning of disrepute:
    the state of being held in low esteem by the public.

    How does this apply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    That is exactly what they did.
    And then did everything else I said on top of it only making the situation worse for them. They didn't just leave it at that.

    Not even going to humor your downplaying of the situation. They took down an entire subreddit ffs, they don't own reddit and it ain't just moderating their own forums. They aren't humoring any discussion on it period and are trying to control it everywhere they can from twitch to reddit to anywhere else that will give them the power to do so.

    Or in other words, acting like the Chinese government... because guess who told them to do so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    We THINK it was "public disrepute"
    You may think it didn't break the rules but that doesn't mean it is the truth. It is clear it broke the rules. The problem is not that the guy broke the rules but what he broke the rules for. If it had nothing to do with China and instead had to do with say Trump or Democrats then this wouldn't be that big of a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveon View Post
    Oh yeah Asia Pacific includes Japan and S. Korea, I forgot about that, so really Activision-Blizzard's China revenues are probably closer to 5% of their overall revenues (Since S. Korea spends a ton as well on Blizzard and King products).

    But you do make a good point about it being about the future revenue, and not about the past revenue.

    Hopefully I edit this fast enough before anyone sees... You also make a good point about mobile dollars... King (mobile) accounts for roughly 35-40% of Activision-Blizzard's revenue... and when you add the small amount of mobile Activision and Blizzard do, it's getting close to 50% of ATVI's overall revenue coming from mobile games.
    https://newzoo.com/insights/articles...iggest-market/

    Interesting read for those interested in the Gaming Market as a global industry.
    I know we as PC gamers make fun of console and (in particular) mobile gaming as 'peasants' and whatever, but you can't ignore the financial superpower they are. Sure it's micro transactions etc. but money is money in the business world. Activision Blizzard making that Diablo game, Heartstone being on mobile for years now. I wouldn't at all be surprised if we get more mobile games from Activision/Blizzard soon, the Newzoo article projected that the US would take over as the worlds nr.1 gaming market above China- but how big mobile gaming revenue is from the US and if it's growing isn't reported in the article. One interesting number is that the US and China has around the same anual revenue but China has 4-5 times more people, meaning there could be a lot more potential in the Chinese market, which is another reason why Activision/Blizzard should stay on China's good side (from a financial pov).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Not even going to humor your downplaying of the situation. They took down an entire subreddit ffs, they don't own reddit and it ain't just moderating their own forums.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Blizzard/co...on_discussion/

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    Funny it is up and running. It wasn't taken down to censor anything. Stop lying. Blizzard didn't have anything taken down. They are not erasing this event from the internet. Things are being moderated as they would with anything else that breaks the rules of the site that stuff is on. I am not down playing the situation. Quit lying just to make yourself look superior.

    I don't need to bash Blizzard to know that China is terrible. This situation is a clear cut rule violation that you and others are only now caring about. You didn't give two cents about the rule being so harsh until now. So now you are claiming that the Chinese government forced Reddit to shut down a sub? That they are forcing MMO-Champion to close threads and moderate the topic?
    Last edited by rhorle; 2019-10-09 at 07:05 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    You may think it didn't break the rules but that doesn't mean it is the truth. It is clear it broke the rules. The problem is not that the guy broke the rules but what he broke the rules for. If it had nothing to do with China and instead had to do with say Trump or Democrats then this wouldn't be that big of a deal.
    LOL, if it is so clear then show us!!!! Where in the rule did he broke it?

    Every single youtube video is saying the rule can be bent to anything Blizzard finds fit. Literally anything blizzard finds "naughty" will result in a ban because of how "vague" the rule is.
    It can be applied to anything. Anything Blizzard wants.

    Blizzard chose this to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    http://archive.is/mebOB

    Yes, it's up and running after they took it down and nuked anything they didn't like, never commented on it and re-opened it later in the day.

    But cool story dude, you're just proving how uninformed on the situation you are.

    I kind of get it's your shtick to play contrarian on this forum and it's all you typically do, but this ain't the topic to do it on my guy. Not a good look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    LOL, if it is so clear then show us!!!! Where in the rule did he broke it?
    You pointed out the rule. You pointed out the sections. If you can't comprehend or accept what you yourself are posting then how am I to convince you?

    "Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms."

    That is copy and pasted from your own post you just made. It is clear you will only accept what you want to despite saying that you are not putting forth a tinfoil idea. Why post and why discuss if all you want is an echo chamber? Blog it instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    http://archive.is/mebOB

    Yes, it's up and running after they took it down and nuked anything they didn't like, never commented on it and re-opened it later in the day.

    But cool story dude, you're just proving how uninformed on the situation you are.
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    That is from the sub. Blizzard didn't take it down. Blizzard didn't censor it. The Chinese government didn't take it down unless they were the real people behind the rogue moderator. No you are proving how uninformed and ignorant you are. You are only willing to accept hate and Blizzard bashing with nothing else possible. Notice how I never said that the sub was not taken down only that is is up and running now and actively allowing discussion on the topic.

    Further proof that you are purposefully ignorant just to whine: https://www.reddit.com/r/Blizzard/

    The top items are all memes and stuff pointing out the situation. Clearly censorship is not taking place and not being nuked if it fits the rules of the sub. But that doesn't fit the narrative you feel the need to spread ignorance about.
    Last edited by rhorle; 2019-10-09 at 07:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Clearly censorship is not taking place
    Dude actually said this.

    Unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Dude actually said this. Unbelievable.
    The entire front page of r/Blizzard is full of memes and other things criticising Blizzard and promoting what Blitzchung said. How is that indicating censorship is taking place on the sub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    A private entity that is "employing" a person that agreed to abide by X rules. So it is with in their rights to decide what happens unless of course it involves China or what ever for the moment thing of the internet. It was a "official" coverage of the event. So it fits your own rules and yet is somehow still wrong.
    Problem is rules in place are so vague that Blizz can easily decide whether to enforce them or not.

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    The west has no pressure to apply to China, unless you guys are willing to sign up for WW3 over this.
    TO FIX WOW:1. smaller server sizes & server-only LFG awarding satchels, so elite players help others. 2. "helper builds" with loom powers - talent trees so elite players cast buffs on low level players XP gain, HP/mana, regen, damage, etc. 3. "helper ilvl" scoring how much you help others. 4. observer games like in SC to watch/chat (like twitch but with MORE DETAILS & inside the wow UI) 5. guild leagues to compete with rival guilds for progression (with observer mode).6. jackpot world mobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    A private entity that is "employing" a person that agreed to abide by X rules. So it is with in their rights to decide what happens unless of course it involves China or what ever for the moment thing of the internet. It was a "official" coverage of the event. So it fits your own rules and yet is somehow still wrong.
    The point I'm making is that a employer can't (shouldn't) silence their workers for speaking their mind (freedom of speech) when they're not in "office hours", especially when it comes to human rights and political matters.
    Take the Trump calls to the Ukranian Primeminister/President (whichever they have), should the person(s) who reported the potentially nefarious call be fired, prosecuted or 'outed' in public to be targets? Obviously they shouldn't.

    Right of Revolution - "If you have the power to fight unjustice, you have the responsibility to fight injustice." - In a lot of independence bills, including the USA, it puts it in the right of everyone to speak up against what they see as "wrong". Obviously what is "wrong" to someone can be "right" to someone else, but that's politics and in the end democracy.
    I would add that in the cases where "freedom of speech" puts people and/or the speaker himself at risk then it should be somewhat governed to protect the general public, in the situation of Hong Kong this isn't a risk though as the people are already indirectly and directly attacked by legislature and military/police force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    Problem is rules in place are so vague that Blizz can easily decide whether to enforce them or not.
    Rules being vague has nothing to do with enforcing or not. If Blizzard choose not to enforce it for one thing it opens them up to being sued when they enforce it for something else. Which creates even more problems for them then simply enforcing the rule as it stands in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    The point I'm making is that a employer can't (shouldn't) silence their workers for speaking their mind (freedom of speech) when they're not in "office hours", especially when it comes to human rights and political matters.
    It was office hours though. It was an official interview during an official event. It even had sponsors advertising during the interview. I have never said that employers, including Blizzard, should silence people when not doing "official" work. You are arguing for a situation that doesn't even apply in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    You pointed out the rule. You pointed out the sections. If you can't comprehend or accept what you yourself are posting then how am I to convince you?

    "Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public, or otherwise damages Blizzard image will result in removal from Grandmasters and reduction of the player’s prize total to $0 USD, in addition to other remedies which may be provided for under the Handbook and Blizzard’s Website Terms."

    That is copy and pasted from your own post you just made. It is clear you will only accept what you want to despite saying that you are not putting forth a tinfoil idea. Why post and why discuss if all you want is an echo chamber? Blog it instead.
    Are you a politician or something?
    You failed again to quote the part where the rule was broken...yet again.

    Why are you avoiding quoting the exact part where it was broken? We would ALL like to know! Because no one knows!

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