Any ideas on what may replace Titanforging?

[Clozer]

I have 0 problems with TF. But i actually miss having no BIS that i can farm each tier. Good old Lich King days.. That stupid trinket from Rotface didnt drop for months to complete my set.

Also it feels bad killing a boss you dont need anything from but somewhat expect the loot to be forged but it actually isnt.. Feelsbadmen.

So with them removing TF im looking forward to collect that bis slot again!

[ro9ue]

Probably will fit the rest of the theme with the old god stuff, the "kiss/kill" or whatever they call it.

+20 strength
-20 stamina

shit like that

[Vastoorode]

Maybe they will get rid of TF and go back to the old Upgrade system from MoP done through currency. And just have Upgrades have a chance to be proc'd on looting, but otherwise still achieveable on gear outside of luck. 1.e 400 ilvl piece with 0/4 upgrades drops, upgrade it 4 times, or a small chance to have it dropped as a 410 2/4 or something.

Would quite literally be the best option.

This would probly be the best option imo aswell. No socket procs or shit but only upgrade procks thats speed up the time to get the piece to max lvl.

[Beefkow]

This would probly be the best option imo aswell. No socket procs or shit but only upgrade procks thats speed up the time to get the piece to max lvl.

That 4/4 system was awesome, gave you something to work towards without praying for that titanforge every time.

Also allowed you to pool your currency badges into gear that is 1 difficulty level, I loved the feature.

I hate playing with RNG or casinos, just isn't for me. Tertiary stats should be random though, not crucial to your damage/healing output.

[kaminaris]

No, you're wrong about him being correct.

That's purely subjective, I think removing titanforging would be a good idea. Defeats the whole purpose of doing mythic raiding and high level content. Also, we need less RNG, sockets are already painful enough to deal with.

I don't know a single soul that loves loves the idea of rolling a dice everytime a piece of gear drops.

At this point, I think you're the minority and him as well.

Obviously it's purely subjective. And we don't have statistics. Doesn't defeat anything. Gear doesn't give easy mythic kills.
I know at least 29 people out of 30 from my guild that don't mind TF.

At this point you are minority because vast majority don't post on forums so you have no clue about statistics.

[Revamp Man]

Benthic pearl system

Essentially the valor system but content based
So you wouldn't be able to do WQ to max out your PVP gear

[Clozer]

Obviously it's purely subjective. And we don't have statistics. Doesn't defeat anything. Gear doesn't give easy mythic kills.
I know at least 29 people out of 30 from my guild that don't mind TF.

At this point you are minority because vast majority don't post on forums so you have no clue about statistics.

What about you are the minority? How could you know? This is nonse. You dont argue like that. You say this is good about TF: and this is bad about TF: then you say but this isnt bad about TF because of: .. etc. This is how you discuss things.

Saying stuff like my guild doesnt mind TF so noone mind TF is pointless and proves absolutely nothing.

[Vastoorode]

That 4/4 system was awesome, gave you something to work towards without praying for that titanforge every time.

Also allowed you to pool your currency badges into gear that is 1 difficulty level, I loved the feature.

I hate playing with RNG or casinos, just isn't for me. Tertiary stats should be random though, not crucial to your damage/healing output.

I agree. And you felt that you got a litle stronger every time you upgraded gear even if you didn't have luck with the drops that week.

[kaminaris]

What about you are the minority? How could you know? This is nonse. You dont argue like that. You say this is good about TF: and this is bad about TF: then you say but this isnt bad about TF because of: .. etc. This is how you discuss things.

Saying stuff like my guild doesnt mind TF so noone mind TF is pointless and proves absolutely nothing.

Did you read my comment? Second sentence. Obviously saying anything about statistics is completely false. But some people seems to not understand that.

But since you asked there is a clear and objective truth:
Next raid tier, your current gear will become garbage, so you will never be trully "done" with your character.

Worrying about titanforging is completely insane because by doing hardest content you get base 445 ilvl, near maximum ilvl.
Why would I care if someone got lucky on heroic and got 450 instead? Im not jealous and I don't care about gear.

BUT titanforging gives me something = non zero replayability value.
Re-running content I already beat gives me a 5% reason to do it as opposed to a fucking zero percent.
So instead of cherry picking dungeons, I go to some +15 from a random friend key.

Even when in season 2 I was pushing my score, I did it purely for score alone as gear holds no value in long run.

[enigma77]

Tentacle-forged.

Chance to decrease the item level of your item by up to 25.

Enjoy.

[Beefkow]

know at least 29 people out of 30 from my guild that don't mind TF.

You and I both know that's bullshit.

Stop pulling numbers out of your ass just so you can prove a point.

At this point you are minority because vast majority don't post on forums so you have no clue about statistics.

I could be wrong that you and I are minority, who knows. But I know my statistics.

But since you asked there is a clear and objective truth:
Next raid tier, your current gear will become garbage, so you will never be trully "done" with your character.

No it won't because titanforging exists, with the exception of azerite armor.

Theoretically you could run the first raid of the expansion and somehow score the same ilvl as the person doing endgame content.

? Im not jealous and I don't care about gear.

Then why are you playing wow?

You're goal is to acquire the best gear in the game and dominate the charts, no? Don't you want to feel stronger?

What do I know, maybe people like to roleplay in goldshire.

Gear doesn't give easy mythic kills.

But it helps.

[Varitok]

There should be a system where every item starts at it's maxed "titanforge" and you just put it on and keep playing.

[kaminaris]

You and I both know that's bullshit.

Stop pulling numbers out of your ass just so you can prove a point.

Thats actually the truth, same goes with you, stop using words you know they are false.

I could be wrong that you and I are minority, who knows. But I know my statistics.

And I know mine, in terms of whole game, forum is indeed minority.

No it won't because titanforging exists, with the exception of azerite armor.

Theoretically you could run the first raid of the expansion and somehow score the same ilvl as the person doing endgame content.

That would require either godly amount of work or farming. In both cases, they deserve it.

Then why are you playing wow?

You're goal is to acquire the best gear in the game and dominate the charts, no? Don't you want to feel stronger?

What do I know, maybe people like to roleplay in goldshire.

LOL NO. I play with friends for challenge and fun. Already had my share in dps charts races, and all I got was burnout.
I'm already plenty strong with mythic gear. Don't need that +5 ilvl from titanforging nor extra sockets.

But it helps.

And? The more reason to not chase the gear and kill the boss with lowest ilvl possible, for maximum challenge.

[anon5123]

I imagine Benthic gear was the test bed for this. As you get involved in assaults, raids, M+ or whatever, you'll probably earn some currency that can then be used at a "titan forge" to buff the ilvl of pieces of gear. That way you can buff up pieces of gear above what they normally drop which makes running varied forms of content constantly rewarding, without taking away the "top gear" from mythic raids.

It's funny because we already had a system like this back in MoP: the "upgrade" system

and then they removed it for whatever reason

[Beefkow]

Thats actually the truth, same goes with you, stop using words you know they are false.

Provide me with evidence, and i'll believe you?

Probably won't.

I don't know a single soul that loves loves the idea of rolling a dice everytime a piece of gear drops.

That's the truth for me, but what do I know, maybe we're throwing words at each other just for fun.

And if I knew they were false, I wouldn't be spouting out nonsense.

[kaminaris]

Provide me with evidence, and i'll believe you?

Probably won't.

And how are you going to prove me yours? I could say we had a talk about TF on one of our raids and you could say you don't believe me lol.

That's the truth for me, but what do I know, maybe we're throwing words at each other just for fun.

And if I knew they were false, I wouldn't be spouting out nonsense.

The whole point is, you don't need that dice for anything. There isn't a single encounter that requires you to have 440 gear. And you are getting 445 from mythic raids.
You can simply treat titanforging as soft nerf needed for bad players.

[Soeroah]

I would normally say a Benthic style manual increase to ilevel, but "preserves the value of item level" makes me think it's not ilevel related.

I'm wondering if they're going to try to do something where a weapon just has a chance to be 'more effective' against enemies outside of the current raid, or something, to preserve raid balance but still give casual players a way to get stronger in the outdoor world and older content.

[Beefkow]

And how are you going to prove me yours? I could say we had a talk about TF on one of our raids and you could say you don't believe me lol.




The whole point is, you don't need that dice for anything. There isn't a single encounter that requires you to have 440 gear. And you are getting 445 from mythic raids.
You can simply treat titanforging as soft nerf needed for bad players.

And my whole point is that you shouldn't going around and instantly proving them they are wrong or right on a subjective matter, it makes you look opinionated. Actually to the point to where you're believing that what you're thinking and saying is right, by default.

> this opinion exists

This world is doomed man

Bennett has a valid opinion, he's not right or wrong. Not everybody has to like titanforging or not.

What you should've said was, "I disagree with you, because X, Y, and Z" or "I agree with Nnyco, because of this and that". Can't go around and say "he's correct", or "he's wrong". Doesn't make sense.

[Playintrafic]

But benthic gear has a lot of drama attached to it also.
Gem procs? Anyone?
Also i replaced several benthic pieces in which i spent weeks farming pearls...just because i got a better item somehwere else.

I hope this system will have zero drama...but i dont know.

That has almost nothing to do with benthic gear, and everything to do with the neutering of JC and how powerful gems are. Consider how powerful a full set of gem gear is now, and look at gear that would almost by default have 2-3 gem sockets per armor piece. Some times even 4. JC just needs to be reworked, gems either need to go, or they need to be something that isn't random anymore.

Yeah the benthic item effects were overtuned for the item level, but the gem slots is what made it so they could compete with mythic raid items.

[kaminaris]

And my whole point is that you shouldn't going around and instantly proving them they are wrong or right on a subjective matter, it makes you look opinionated. Actually to the point to where you're believing that what you're thinking and saying is right, by default.

What is not opinionated was what I did refer: "majority" that is simply bullshit. Not to mention "vast majority".

Bennett has a valid opinion, he's not right or wrong. Not everybody has to like titanforging or not.

What you should've said was, "I disagree with you, because X, Y, and Z" or "I agree with Nnyco, because of this and that". Can't go around and say "he's correct", or "he's wrong". Doesn't make sense.

I never said TF is good for everyone. My whole point was: trying to pull "majority" out of people ass is bullshit.