BFA biggest issues for collectors.

[Lei]

Oh and as a PS, it took 5 paragons to get the Microbot XD blueprint.

Yeah got it in my recent one as well. Maybe there was a silent adjustment to it.

[Zyrinx]

Yeah got it in my recent one as well. Maybe there was a silent adjustment to it.

Yeah and I got the Cogfrenzy one yesterday and I'm mechadone. Except, you know, both drop mounts. That drop rate was tuned too low. 2-5% would have been fine.

[Djuntas]

Ok, so its 3 months or so since 8.2 launched now.

Interested how far people gotten. Im still farming my Triump of Gnomeregan and I need to farm paragon drops. And if that bag achive is easy maybe Ill do it in BFA, but the MOP one I have never grinded for.

Cheers

[Trollokdamus]

Ok, so its 3 months or so since 8.2 launched now.

Interested how far people gotten. Im still farming my Triump of Gnomeregan and I need to farm paragon drops. And if that bag achive is easy maybe Ill do it in BFA, but the MOP one I have never grinded for.

Cheers

Got my crab and quite happy with it. Need to run Operation: Mechagon one more time to finish the meta and get the mount, but knowing that I can do it at any time with no RNG involved I'm taking my time. No paragon or rare drop mounts so far.

[jiih]

maybe rethink your life if you think 300h of island expedition is bearable.

i rather have collecting stuff like relvl allied races or do stuff on opposite faction than all this rng gind

[Azerate]

Ok, so its 3 months or so since 8.2 launched now.

Interested how far people gotten. Im still farming my Triump of Gnomeregan and I need to farm paragon drops. And if that bag achive is easy maybe Ill do it in BFA, but the MOP one I have never grinded for.

Cheers

Mecha-Done, Undersea Usurper are done.
Rustfeather, Harvester, Nazjatar Paragon Mount, other easier ones.

I am basically only missing the mount from Soundless now (farming that actively) and a couple items for that "get all items" achie, but I'm not really pursuing that. Just playing other games while farming Soundless (and still farming Nalak and Sha every week).

[Zyrinx]

Ok, so its 3 months or so since 8.2 launched now.

Interested how far people gotten. Im still farming my Triump of Gnomeregan and I need to farm paragon drops. And if that bag achive is easy maybe Ill do it in BFA, but the MOP one I have never grinded for.

Cheers

I gave up on IEs. Just too much.

I have Mecha Done, and tomorrow I'll have my crab mount, but I don't have any drop mounts from Naz or Mecha, nor the Paragon mount from Naz. I don't even go to Naz anymore unless there's an Emissary quest. I kill Rust and Harvester daily, but only on 1 character, so it'll be a complete shock if I ever see either of those (Rarity has Harverter's mount at 1/1500???). I guess I should be glad both mounts are just recolors of MUCH easier ones to attain?

These levels of RNG are Just Too Much, imo. I'm totally de-motivated by them instead of the opposite.

[Azerate]

I gave up on IEs. Just too much.

I have Mecha Done, and tomorrow I'll have my crab mount, but I don't have any drop mounts from Naz or Mecha, nor the Paragon mount from Naz. I don't even go to Naz anymore unless there's an Emissary quest. I kill Rust and Harvester daily, but only on 1 character, so it'll be a complete shock if I ever see either of those (Rarity has Harverter's mount at 1/1500???). I guess I should be glad both mounts are just recolors of MUCH easier ones to attain?

These levels of RNG are Just Too Much, imo. I'm totally de-motivated by them instead of the opposite.

I mostly farmed both of the mechagon ones before Rarity was updated, and back then according to wowhead data and anecdotal evidence the chance was more like 1 in 200. Some of the ratios in rarity are clearly guesswork in action. But yeah, you shouldn't probably expect getting those mounts with just 1 character farming.

[Zyrinx]

I mostly farmed both of the mechagon ones before Rarity was updated, and back then according to wowhead data and anecdotal evidence the chance was more like 1 in 200. Some of the ratios in rarity are clearly guesswork in action. But yeah, you shouldn't probably expect getting those mounts with just 1 character farming.

I know. I don't care that much anymore (which is the actual problem). Demotivation.

[Shakana]

I want to tease you, but no, that's honestly a fair series of typos because it's impossible to talk about island expeditions without having a seizureohfuck345efdsg;dfkgjiodruo lgflsaed;G
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LOOOOL i shouldn't be laughing... i shouldn't be laughing.

[Djuntas]

I know. I don't care that much anymore (which is the actual problem). Demotivation.

Excatctly. I have a lot of achivements and grinds over the years Ive never bothered cause either they want me to camp like rare that only spwans every 45 min with low drop %, or its some impossible larger RNG fest.

WoW is not worth it, haft to set your limits...like I did years ago on pet stuff, to this day I still havent done any pet crap more or less, even if it means I loss out on 1k nerd points...happy to just be at 30k now.

[Azerate]

So it seems we will be able to buy lootboxes for specific race related drops using dubloons starting from 8.3. Depending on the actual mount chance from those, it will probably make it way easier to get them.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=295541/...-with-dubloons

[Queen of Hamsters]

So it seems we will be able to buy lootboxes for specific race related drops using dubloons starting from 8.3. Depending on the actual mount chance from those, it will probably make it way easier to get them.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=295541/...-with-dubloons

On one hand I want to rejoice, but on the other I'm thinking "less chance than from a Legion Paragon box", so...
Hoping they've not gone full cynical about it and are giving us a carrot that we can actually catch.

[Marrilaife]

So it seems we will be able to buy lootboxes for specific race related drops using dubloons starting from 8.3.

Uhh, was hyped until I saw each box has 3-4 races bundled together to further water down the chances of getting that 1 specific item you're after.

[Jodmos]

Uhh, was hyped until I saw each box has 3-4 races bundled together to further water down the chances of getting that 1 specific item you're after.

Better than nothing but not surprised that Blizzard went this route. Clear that players being able to work towards a goal rather than a chance at that goal isn't something they consider. I obviously can't speak for everyone but having a concrete progression system (such as directly purchasable expedition drops) would make me more likely to do content than this RNG based system on top of the RNG on RNG on RNG system that the current IE drops are.

[Marrilaife]

Better than nothing but not surprised that Blizzard went this route. Clear that players being able to work towards a goal rather than a chance at that goal isn't something they consider. I obviously can't speak for everyone but having a concrete progression system (such as directly purchasable expedition drops) would make me more likely to do content than this RNG based system on top of the RNG on RNG on RNG system that the current IE drops are.

Indeed not surprised, whole gaming industry is hellbent on the concept that preying on gambling addicts is more lucrative than actually selling a honest product people will enjoy therefore pay for. Tons of marketing research went into how to wrap up gambling to make it the most addictive, have maximum retention rate, and maximize profit.

I must be getting old that all these "surprise mechanics" and "lootboxes" are more discouraging than exciting me.

[Azerate]

Indeed not surprised, whole gaming industry is hellbent on the concept that preying on gambling addicts is more lucrative than actually selling a honest product people will enjoy therefore pay for. Tons of marketing research went into how to wrap up gambling to make it the most addictive, have maximum retention rate, and maximize profit.

I must be getting old that all these "surprise mechanics" and "lootboxes" are more discouraging than exciting me.

These aren't real money purchases so not sure what you're on about. I get that there is now this culture of outrage over lootboxes in games, but this doesnt apply to wow no matter how hard someone tries.

And the idea of random rewards has been in the game since the beginning. Only these days you can't have anything being random at all, because it's always gambling according to people seeking things to get angry about

[tmamass]

Better than nothing but not surprised that Blizzard went this route. Clear that players being able to work towards a goal rather than a chance at that goal isn't something they consider. I obviously can't speak for everyone but having a concrete progression system (such as directly purchasable expedition drops) would make me more likely to do content than this RNG based system on top of the RNG on RNG on RNG system that the current IE drops are.

no its not better, its worse! not that the mount droprate for islands is way to fkin low, now you can buy loot boxes that also wont drop the mounts for you...

rng on top of rng is NEVER the solution....

[Lord Pebbleton]

BfA's biggest issue for collectors is... BfA.
Diehard collectors are those that strive to get everything they can, or close to it. I was one, I know the feeling. I mastered areas of the game I didn't really like, just because I didn't want to miss on the rewards. I would invest my time in something, get it, and move on.

Problem is, Blizzard decided to shit on collectors, and it's been shitting on us for too long.

There was always a tiny fragment of content that was stupidly based on rng and hard work to complete, like the camel figurine ordeal, but it was VERY out of the way. Then the nonsense made its way to core things with the paragon mounts. Having a sliver of chance to find a mount every 10k rep above exalted with no currency mechanism in place to account for bad luck is INSANE. I missed maybe 3 weeks of Legion, I still miss 4 paragon mounts, and you can bet your ass I'm never going back to it, because I have no say in ever being rewarded, even if I spend 24/7 there.

Then they touched new heights in stuff like island expeditions. I still remember the debate about mounts dropping in there. To get the quilen you had to go through hoops that felt stupid to even consider, and even if you did it all right, you still had a chance to not find it. You wouldn't even get a consolation prize, like a coin that would let you buy it when you had 100 of. I don't know the situation now.

All in all, the problem is that the collector has almost no power anymore over the achievements they engage. If you want to farm Ravenholdt you need an insane amount of lockboxes, but rest assured you will get 75 rep per turn in. You could kill a dinosaur in Isle of Giants in 10 minutes of kiting, but you were sure to find plenty of bones on each of them to get the white raptor.
Now? Now you can run 2000 expeditions and never see the damn quilen. You can go back and do Legion paragon for 2 more years and never see a single mount.

I am talking from the perspective of one who left before Dazar'alor got released, things may be better now (or not). But a huge reason I stopped playing, apart from glaring problems the game has, is exactly this: I logged in, craving for something to farm, knowing full well that no matter how much effort and time I put in it, there was a chance I would make no progress at all. In the long run that was enough for me to stop caring.

[Zyrinx]

So one comment I read from the PTR had mounts dropping around 1 in 8 lootboxes.

So that's more expensive that the Albatross and not a guarantee, which I think is too expensive (20% seems right to me), but at the same time, it's a major step in the right direction. TBH if this system had been in place all along, the entire Islands feature likely would not have died on the vine the way it did.

On one hand I'm glad I stopped doping these, but OTOH I would have mountains of dubloons saved up if I had kept going and _maybe_ a mount, already.

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I am talking from the perspective of one who left before Dazar'alor got released, things may be better now (or not). But a huge reason I stopped playing, apart from glaring problems the game has, is exactly this: I logged in, craving for something to farm, knowing full well that no matter how much effort and time I put in it, there was a chance I would make no progress at all. In the long run that was enough for me to stop caring.

Yeah I feel this - you wanna feel your farming is "moving the needle", even if a little bit. This step doesn't _really_ address that directly, unless the drop rates are, as I said, at least 10% if not more like 20%.