Fourth death possibly linked to vaping

[Puzzlesocks]

oh...look at that; (I told you so) Prudential Plans to Boost Life Insurance Prices for Vapers

Greedy ass insurance companies are willing to raise rates without hard science because they can. I wonder how people would feel if they raised rates on African Americans because they live an average of 12 years less than Caucasians. Even a white person who is a smoker has a longer life expectancy than someone of African descent.

I'm far more interested to see what the actual cause was instead of blaming vaping as a whole. Some of these people had been vaping as little as a month while there are millions of people who have been vaping a decade with no issues. This whole topic is purely fear mongering at the moment, and it is HIGHLY likely that many of the following cases are placebo effect from blaming vaping without cause. At this point we are blaming vaping if someone who does it catches the common cold.

[Mistame]

Over 800 cases of vaping illnesses reported to CDC

The CDC said 805 cases were reported by 46 states and the U.S. Virgin Islands as of Tuesday.

That is an increase of 275 reports since last week.

The rest of the text:

The CDC is still investigating the illnesses and hasn't released any more information about the causes.

It also hasn't identified a brand, product or substance that has been present in all cases.

The CDC, though, said last week that most patients had reported vaping THC, the psychoactive compound in cannabis, while some vaped nicotine. Some patients also vaped both substances.

Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the CDC, told Congress this week it hasn't ruled out any products or substances that could be causing the illnesses.

The Food and Drug Administration and state health departments have found vitamin E acetate in the THC vaping products.

Vitamin E acetate, which is often used in lotions or dietary supplements, can be harmful if inhaled into the lungs.

However, the FDA says it doesn't have enough data to conclude that vitamin E acetate is the cause of the illnesses.

Some of the patients that have become sick have been hospitalized with lipoid pneumonia, a rare form of pneumonia that is caused by fat particles entering the lungs.

Update;
Lung Damage From Vaping Resembles Chemical Burns, Report Says

Also in the article:

The patients described in the Mayo report included a 31-year-old woman who died, despite extensive treatment with steroids and even a machine to pump oxygen directly into her bloodstream. Her lungs were so damaged that even a ventilator could not give her enough air. She had a history of vaping, but there was no information about what she vaped.

Another patient was a 21-year-old man who reported vaping nicotine for five years, and who became ill shortly after adding marijuana to it for the first time. He recovered well enough to leave the hospital.

A 28-year-old man listed in the report had, for a year, been vaping 20 to 30 cartridges a day and also vaping THC.

Last Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified several names of THC-related products in prefilled cartridges that they said patients had reported using before becoming ill. Dank Vapes, Moon Rocks, Off White and TKO were among those listed by health officials who interviewed patients in Wisconsin and Illinois.

But officials said they did not know if vaping illnesses or deaths in other parts of the country were related to the same THC labels identified in those two states.

Officials also said that Dank Vapes was not an actual brand, but just a label and packaging that anyone selling THC vaping liquid could buy and stick on a product.

The extensive use of prefilled THC cartridges suggests they might play an important role in the outbreak, the C.D.C. said.

oh...look at that; (I told you so) Prudential Plans to Boost Life Insurance Prices for Vapers

This is the equivalent of saying, "Water is wet, I told you so!" Insurance companies increase rates for at-risk behaviors. That's how that works.

I'm far more interested to see what the actual cause was instead of blaming vaping as a whole. Some of these people had been vaping as little as a month while there are millions of people who have been vaping a decade with no issues. This whole topic is purely fear mongering at the moment, and it is HIGHLY likely that many of the following cases are placebo effect from blaming vaping without cause. At this point we are blaming vaping if someone who does it catches the common cold.

As the article mentions, vitamin e acetate was found in some THC products. They also found myclobutanil, a fungicide that can transform into hydrogen cyanide when burned, in a bunch of black-market THC cartridges.

[unbound]

Greedy ass insurance companies are willing to raise rates without hard science because they can. I wonder how people would feel if they raised rates on African Americans because they live an average of 12 years less than Caucasians. Even a white person who is a smoker has a longer life expectancy than someone of African descent.

I'm far more interested to see what the actual cause was instead of blaming vaping as a whole. Some of these people had been vaping as little as a month while there are millions of people who have been vaping a decade with no issues. This whole topic is purely fear mongering at the moment, and it is HIGHLY likely that many of the following cases are placebo effect from blaming vaping without cause. At this point we are blaming vaping if someone who does it catches the common cold.

lol

Now compare this to regular cigarettes. How many people started getting lung cancer after only a decade? Very, very few. The statistics of heavy smokers (greater than 25 per day) is about 18% getting lung cancer in their lifetime (average of 50 years). The statistics of light smokers (less than 25 per day) is about 9% getting lung cancer in their lifetime (again, average of 50 years).

The problem is that we don't actually understand the long-term effects of inhaling vaporized oil in people's lungs. There is a strong concern with vaping because they are already seeing hundreds of cases with a product that didn't start reaching the million user mark until less than a decade ago. This is on track to be at least as bad as cigarette smoking, and very potentially worse.

At this point, we are seeing people in strong denial of fundamental reality who just want to blame anything else but their own stupid habits instead of using their brains and understanding that there is very likely to be a problem here with this habit.

[Masark]

The problem is that we don't actually understand the long-term effects of inhaling vaporized oil in people's lungs. There is a strong concern with vaping because they are already seeing hundreds of cases with a product that didn't start reaching the million user mark until less than a decade ago. This is on track to be at least as bad as cigarette smoking, and very potentially worse.

Long term nothing. This entire matter is acute injury that has literally come out of nowhere. Liquid vapes have been available for many years, but these illnesses and deaths only appeared this year.

That's an obvious indicator that there is something specific at fault that changed recently.

[Puzzlesocks]

lol

Now compare this to regular cigarettes. How many people started getting lung cancer after only a decade? Very, very few. The statistics of heavy smokers (greater than 25 per day) is about 18% getting lung cancer in their lifetime (average of 50 years). The statistics of light smokers (less than 25 per day) is about 9% getting lung cancer in their lifetime (again, average of 50 years).

The problem is that we don't actually understand the long-term effects of inhaling vaporized oil in people's lungs. There is a strong concern with vaping because they are already seeing hundreds of cases with a product that didn't start reaching the million user mark until less than a decade ago. This is on track to be at least as bad as cigarette smoking, and very potentially worse.

At this point, we are seeing people in strong denial of fundamental reality who just want to blame anything else but their own stupid habits instead of using their brains and understanding that there is very likely to be a problem here with this habit.

Firstly, normal vaping is not oils, it is glycerin, which is closer to alcohol than anything. The kinds of glycerin used in vaping tobacco PG/VG have been inhaled with medical technology for nearly a century, and recent testing has shown it to be incredibly safe. The concern with vaping is that it looks like smoking.

Your lung cancer rates account for air pollution growth in cities right? Those numbers are a direct and irrefutable link to smoking and the cancers involved couldn't be caused by anything else right? Surely the rate of lung cancers increasing even though the number of smokers has dropped significantly in the past 50 years has nothing to do with it either.

Considering your entire viewpoint refuses to even look at the data, you can hardly judge other people for not using their brains. I strongly urge you to go look through the data before calling other people ignorant, or else it might just reflect back on you.

[Collegeguy]

Long term nothing. This entire matter is acute injury that has literally come out of nowhere. Liquid vapes have been available for many years, but these illnesses and deaths only appeared this year.

That's an obvious indicator that there is something specific at fault that changed recently.

Last statistics I saw was 76% were reported to be vaping black market THC and marijuana, another 7% didn't cooperate, and 17% reported only nicotine not from the black market (likely knowingly or unknowingly lied)

Vaping has been around for decades and this happens one time and only the US. The UK even puts Vape stores in hospitals.

A very lucrative black market grew recently for marijuana vaping because it was easier to evade with illegal use, but lets ban all eliquids so more people can die going to the black market.

[PACOX]

Update on this story

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/...cid=mm6845e2_w

Culprit, laced THC cartridges. Sympathy for those who fell ill, it's not like they went out to get sick, but can get put all of this to rest?

Especially all the virtue signalling that was going on.

[Rennadrel]

If vaping ever dies the miserable death it deserves, I will sing praises to the heavens.

[Vash The Stampede]

If vaping ever dies the miserable death it deserves, I will sing praises to the heavens.

Why? I get it isn't as healthy as not smoking but it's a lot better than smoking. If vaping dies a miserable death then so should cigarettes. We know cigarettes kill thousands a year and we've accepted this to be the norm.

[Rennadrel]

Why? I get it isn't as healthy as not smoking but it's a lot better than smoking. If vaping dies a miserable death then so should cigarettes. We know cigarettes kill thousands a year and we've accepted this to be the norm.

Quite frankly, both should be outlawed full stop, and both make people who use them look like major losers.

[Daedius]

Until I see the advocating to ban cigarettes/alcohol as well all those people calling for a vap ban can stfu tbh.

Laughable how easy people fall for scare mongering... pretty self evident there's an agenda here...

And this is coming from someone that loathes smokers, and doesn't vap. At least vaping is more tolerable compared to some disgusting walking ash tray.

[Vash The Stampede]

Quite frankly, both should be outlawed full stop, and both make people who use them look like major losers.

I can agree to that, but no effort is made by the government to try and discourage smoking other than taxing the hell out of cigarettes. Which just sounds like a conflict of interest when outlawing cigarettes would also mean removing a huge source of revenue for the government. But we all know where this is going, where eventually the government will tax vaping as well.

Lets be realistic here, vaping is nothing more than nicotine with water vapor. About as unsafe as nicotine gum or nicotine patches, which are used to help people quit smoking. If the American government had to pay for a Universal Health Care, I'm sure they'll rethink their attack on vaping and maybe even do more to discourage cigarettes as well, because at that point your unhealthy habit is now their financial problem.

[Voidism]

i am so glad that its forbidden in my country to smoke or vapor or whatever you call it in pubs restaurants etc. you want to smoke well you must go out to smoke win win situation i dont want to breath this poison as a not smoker

Most of us smokers/vapers agree with that though. No need to antagonize.

[Dirgelast]

Why? I get it isn't as healthy as not smoking but it's a lot better than smoking. If vaping dies a miserable death then so should cigarettes. We know cigarettes kill thousands a year and we've accepted this to be the norm.

No, you think it is better than smoking. The tobacco industry dragged its heels over decades pretending that smoking was healthy. You need a generation's worth of data to prove vaping is killing people. So, according to people like you we have to go another forty years before we have a complete data set proving that flooding your lungs with vile crap is bad for.

Here's an alternative suggestion: ban any toxic product that you inhale. That way you don't risk millions of people dying and cost every health service in the western world a fortune. What exactly is the loss from that policy other than causing addicts some minor discomfort for a week or two?

[smityx]

Seems like we should just ban vaping now before it gets worse.

Ban smoking and vaping. Legalize weed. 2+2 is not equaling 4 here. hmmm

[Mistame]

Quite frankly, both should be outlawed full stop

It's none of government's business what one does to their own body. Full stop.

No, you think it is better than smoking. The tobacco industry dragged its heels over decades pretending that smoking was healthy. You need a generation's worth of data to prove vaping is killing people. So, according to people like you we have to go another forty years before we have a complete data set proving that flooding your lungs with vile crap is bad for.

It's not a matter of "thinking" vaping is "better" than smoking, it's an objective fact that your standard e-cigarette has a tenth of the chemicals that an analog cigarette does.

Here's an alternative suggestion: ban any toxic product that you inhale.

Or government can mandate that companies list the ingredients and health risks and then let people decide for themselves. Free will and autonomy > *.

[Dirgelast]

It's none of government's business what one does to their own body. Full stop.



It's not a matter of "thinking" vaping is "better" than smoking, it's an objective fact that your standard e-cigarette has a tenth of the chemicals that an analog cigarette does.



Or government can mandate that companies list the ingredients and health risks and then let people decide for themselves. Free will and autonomy > *.

It is a very simple point that you can't seem to grasp: the health risks are not yet known. As they were not with smoking-it took decades to prove. Why are you people shilling for vaping companies (ie tobacco comapnies) not aware of this?

[the game]

It's none of government's business what one does to their own body. Full stop..

Except smoking and vaping also has an effect on the people around the smoker. Not to mention the fact that most smokers find it acceptable to throw their butts on the ground. Instead of disposing of them properly in an ash tray or a cigarette disposal bin.

[Underverse]

It's none of government's business what one does to their own body. Full stop.



It's not a matter of "thinking" vaping is "better" than smoking, it's an objective fact that your standard e-cigarette has a tenth of the chemicals that an analog cigarette does.



Or government can mandate that companies list the ingredients and health risks and then let people decide for themselves. Free will and autonomy > *.

We don't have good approximations for the health risks of these new products. So how can they be listed?

Anyway, as others have mentioned, smoking and vaping don't just affect the user. They affect others around them and the environment we all share. I'm fine with people eating weed brownies, but breathing that stuff while I'm walking around outside really upsets me.

[Rennadrel]

It's none of government's business what one does to their own body. Full stop.



It's not a matter of "thinking" vaping is "better" than smoking, it's an objective fact that your standard e-cigarette has a tenth of the chemicals that an analog cigarette does.



Or government can mandate that companies list the ingredients and health risks and then let people decide for themselves. Free will and autonomy > *.

Then your healthcare rights should be revoked, especially in countries like mine where all tax payers are footing the bill for medical care. Willfully poisoning your body should not be on the tax payers backs to foot the bill to help you recover or survive.