Argus IS death

[Shaqthefat]

i can name things chronicle is wrong on/does not mention

there is reason to believe some of chronicle is incorrect or misses things

Well, just don't sit here and say you can prove chronicle is wrong just start trying to prove chronicle wrong.

There are inconsistencies throughout it, mainly when it comes to dates and some locations, but the chronicle is very far from wrong.

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He was talking how it is place which was between reality and void that was during legion when he talked about it and as Ion said it wasn't when he explained it during when patch was revealed.

Pyromancer himself says chronicles isn't 100% canon(like him saying old gods aren't void creatures eventhough chronicles placed them there and pyromancer said they creatures of death) and he says he doesn't believe in chronicles and you previously said here titan are the highest creatures of the forces or something like that and chronicles cosmology maps already proves you wrong as it places titan on arcade meaning argus isn't a god death of most likely was titan(being of arcade) who used death magic(which still isn't proven in any way) hell even dreadlords use nearly everykind of magic and they were originally demons.

Exactly, titans are arcane beings with immense mastery over other magic types.

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Anyway, theres more to connect argus and deathwing. They are called the "Unmaker" wanted to kill everything and bring about the hour of twilight/end of all things, and both have a connection to nzoth. Argus has a connection to sargeras, and sargeras has a connection to nzoth. Xavious is a great example, plus argus linking to deathwing further supports this theory. the dragon soul was used to bring sargeras into azeroth not to mention

Lol I just saw this.

Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan were both called Conquerors. They have 0 connection at all to each other.

The hour of twilight is an Old God thing where the Black Empire rises once again. Argus was going to end all of creation to prevent something like the hour of twilight taking place, whereas deathwing was trying to bring about the hour of twilight.

Argus has no connection to N'zoth, same with Sargeras. Sargeras dealt with Xavius before the creation of the Naga, which is why he was a satyr and not a Naga. It wasn't until after that N'zoth found him and made him into the Nightmare lord. As far as we can tell Xavius never dealt with Sargeras again and instead was handled by Archimonde which we can prove based on the "Remnant of Chaos" item you get from Archimonde in HFC if you got ATOC or CE.

In the War of the Ancients novel Deathwing was only using the dragon soul as a weapon to destroy the Legion, the Night elves, and the other dragon flights. Illidan had planned to use the dragon soul as a tool to open the portal further for Sargeras, which was eventually used to collapse the portal on the Legion.

[Sneaksies]

Well, just don't sit here and say you can prove chronicle is wrong just start trying to prove chronicle wrong.

There are inconsistencies throughout it, mainly when it comes to dates and some locations, but the chronicle is very far from wrong.

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Exactly, titans are arcane beings with immense mastery over other magic types.

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Lol I just saw this.

Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan were both called Conquerors. They have 0 connection at all to each other.

The hour of twilight is an Old God thing where the Black Empire rises once again. Argus was going to end all of creation to prevent something like the hour of twilight taking place, whereas deathwing was trying to bring about the hour of twilight.

Argus has no connection to N'zoth, same with Sargeras. Sargeras dealt with Xavius before the creation of the Naga, which is why he was a satyr and not a Naga. It wasn't until after that N'zoth found him and made him into the Nightmare lord. As far as we can tell Xavius never dealt with Sargeras again and instead was handled by Archimonde which we can prove based on the "Remnant of Chaos" item you get from Archimonde in HFC if you got ATOC or CE.

In the War of the Ancients novel Deathwing was only using the dragon soul as a weapon to destroy the Legion, the Night elves, and the other dragon flights. Illidan had planned to use the dragon soul as a tool to open the portal further for Sargeras, which was eventually used to collapse the portal on the Legion.

what do you mean he tried to prevent the hour of twilight, how do you know that. they both wanted to end everything. I know the name things seems corny, but blizzard would know deathwind was the "unmaker" when the they named argus that. its not a coincidence, they have the same title. now, it is arguable on how important or if that connection means anything

[Terongor]

Well, just don't sit here and say you can prove chronicle is wrong just start trying to prove chronicle wrong.

There are inconsistencies throughout it, mainly when it comes to dates and some locations, but the chronicle is very far from wrong.

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Exactly, titans are arcane beings with immense mastery over other magic types.

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Lol I just saw this.

Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan were both called Conquerors. They have 0 connection at all to each other.

The hour of twilight is an Old God thing where the Black Empire rises once again. Argus was going to end all of creation to prevent something like the hour of twilight taking place, whereas deathwing was trying to bring about the hour of twilight.

Argus has no connection to N'zoth, same with Sargeras. Sargeras dealt with Xavius before the creation of the Naga, which is why he was a satyr and not a Naga. It wasn't until after that N'zoth found him and made him into the Nightmare lord. As far as we can tell Xavius never dealt with Sargeras again and instead was handled by Archimonde which we can prove based on the "Remnant of Chaos" item you get from Archimonde in HFC if you got ATOC or CE.

In the War of the Ancients novel Deathwing was only using the dragon soul as a weapon to destroy the Legion, the Night elves, and the other dragon flights. Illidan had planned to use the dragon soul as a tool to open the portal further for Sargeras, which was eventually used to collapse the portal on the Legion.

Still doesn't make them them an entity of that power type and even the argus is speculation his power could opposite to creation as for example unmaking as pure death power has being showm to be this blue greenish which bwomsamdi uses not red nor arcade blue.

But what power argus stands for is still not 100% confirmed and the colors thing which pyromancer uses doesn't make sense in this case to be death either tbh it could be but evidence towards even that is extremely flimsy.

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what do you mean he tried to prevent the hour of twilight, how do you know that. they both wanted to end everything. I know the name things seems corny, but blizzard would know deathwind was the "unmaker" when the they named argus that. its not a coincidence, they have the same title. now, it is arguable on how important or if that connection means anything

Deathwing called himself death incarnate as did teron gorefiend so there is connection there too?

Or what about the small quest npc which served LK and legion who had the title corruptor so there is connection between them and n'zoth.

This isn't god dam elder scrolls were you can make a Connection between character who used the same title.

[Shaqthefat]

what do you mean he tried to prevent the hour of twilight, how do you know that. they both wanted to end everything. I know the name things seems corny, but blizzard would know deathwind was the "unmaker" when the they named argus that. its not a coincidence, they have the same title. now, it is arguable on how important or if that connection means anything

Argus served Sargeras. Sargeras started the Burning Crusade to stop the Void Lords from corrupting a world soul. The Hour of Twilight is the event when the Black Empire rises once again to rule Azeroth. Titles can be shared, it happens all the time throughout history. Both Argus and Deathwing are really good at destruction and tearing things apart. They served different masters and had different goals.


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Deathwing's primary title was "Destroyer", along side that he also had a lot more titles than "Destroyer" and "Unmaker"

Here is a full list of all of Deathwing's titles:
Aspect of Death
the Betrayer
the Black
Black dragonlord
the Black Scourge
Blackwing Greatfather
Blood's Shadow
the Cataclysm
the Dark One
Lord Daval Prestor, claimant to the throne of Alterac
Death Aspect
Death Incarnate
the Destroyer
the Earth-Warder
the Great One
Shuul'wah
the Unmaker of Worlds
the Warder of the land
the Worldbreaker
Xaxas



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Still doesn't make them them an entity of that power type and even the argus is speculation his power could opposite to creation as for example unmaking as pure death power has being showm to be this blue greenish which bwomsamdi uses not red nor arcade blue.

But what power argus stands for is still not 100% confirmed and the colors thing which pyromancer uses doesn't make sense in this case to be death either tbh it could be but evidence towards even that is extremely flimsy.

Exactly, arcane entities with immense mastery.

The only real evidence that Argus wields death magic is the death fog he uses in phase 1 and the soul bombs throughout the rest of the fight.

[Terongor]

Argus served Sargeras. Sargeras started the Burning Crusade to stop the Void Lords from corrupting a world soul. The Hour of Twilight is the event when the Black Empire rises once again to rule Azeroth. Titles can be shared, it happens all the time throughout history. Both Argus and Deathwing are really good at destruction and tearing things apart. They served different masters and had different goals.


Edit:

Deathwing's primary title was "Destroyer", along side that he also had a lot more titles than "Destroyer" and "Unmaker"

Here is a full list of all of Deathwing's titles:
Aspect of Death
the Betrayer
the Black
Black dragonlord
the Black Scourge
Blackwing Greatfather
Blood's Shadow
the Cataclysm
the Dark One
Lord Daval Prestor, claimant to the throne of Alterac
Death Aspect
Death Incarnate
the Destroyer
the Earth-Warder
the Great One
Shuul'wah
the Unmaker of Worlds
the Warder of the land
the Worldbreaker
Xaxas



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Exactly, arcane entities with immense mastery.

The only real evidence that Argus wields death magic is the death fog he uses in phase 1 and the soul bombs throughout the rest of the fight.

even affliction wlocks has abilities which heavily refer to death with their names.... so is OP and pyromancer serious with their logic as with that affliction locks use death magic....

[Shaqthefat]

even affliction wlocks has abilities which heavily refer to death with their names.... so is OP and pyromancer serious with their logic as with that affliction locks use death magic....

Well with their logic them using death magic gives them a connection the Lich King, because they can cast Deathbolt.

[Sneaksies]

Argus served Sargeras. Sargeras started the Burning Crusade to stop the Void Lords from corrupting a world soul. The Hour of Twilight is the event when the Black Empire rises once again to rule Azeroth. Titles can be shared, it happens all the time throughout history. Both Argus and Deathwing are really good at destruction and tearing things apart. They served different masters and had different goals.


Edit:

Deathwing's primary title was "Destroyer", along side that he also had a lot more titles than "Destroyer" and "Unmaker"

Here is a full list of all of Deathwing's titles:
Aspect of Death
the Betrayer
the Black
Black dragonlord
the Black Scourge
Blackwing Greatfather
Blood's Shadow
the Cataclysm
the Dark One
Lord Daval Prestor, claimant to the throne of Alterac
Death Aspect
Death Incarnate
the Destroyer
the Earth-Warder
the Great One
Shuul'wah
the Unmaker of Worlds
the Warder of the land
the Worldbreaker
Xaxas



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Exactly, arcane entities with immense mastery.

The only real evidence that Argus wields death magic is the death fog he uses in phase 1 and the soul bombs throughout the rest of the fight.

did you even read my first post wtf. im not going to explain it again. read my first post. theres more than just title, idk why everyone uses that saying "oH wELl aLoT of pEOpLE hAvE tHE saME tiTLe" theres more evidence. plus, they are the only ones with the title "unmaker"

[Shaqthefat]

did you even read my first post wtf. im not going to explain it again. read my first post. theres more than just title, idk why everyone uses that saying "oH wELl aLoT of pEOpLE hAvE tHE saME tiTLe" theres more evidence. plus, they are the only ones with the title "unmaker"

Yes I did. Its where you try to make an "Unmaker" connection and have no idea what the Hour of Twilight is.

Deathwings primary title, the thing everyone knows him as and the thing he refers to himself as the most is "The Destroyer" not "The Unmaker". He doesn't even have a title called "the Unmaker" its "The Unmaker of Worlds". Very different from "The Unmaker" who was about to end all of creation, whereas deathwing was going to bring about the hour of twilight just so he can then be killed by N'Zoth.


There also isn't more evidence. There wasn't any evidence to being with.


Deathwing has more in common with Oppenheimer than Argus.

[Sneaksies]

Yes I did. Its where you try to make an "Unmaker" connection and have no idea what the Hour of Twilight is.

Deathwings primary title, the thing everyone knows him as and the thing he refers to himself as the most is "The Destroyer" not "The Unmaker". He doesn't even have a title called "the Unmaker" its "The Unmaker of Worlds". Very different from "The Unmaker" who was about to end all of creation, whereas deathwing was going to bring about the hour of twilight just so he can then be killed by N'Zoth.


There also isn't more evidence. There wasn't any evidence to being with.

they wanted to kill everything, thats their primary goal wtf. anyway lets move off the deathwing thing. its just a theory of mine, its unlikely but possible

[Sanguinerd]

Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is. Argus is dead, find proof for contrary THEN this theory could be interesting.

Right now it's just, oh Argus the Unmaker is similar to Deathwing the Unmaker of Worlds, the Aspect of Death(because you know Dragon aspects and all) who was influenced by N'Zoth who has nothing to do with Argus what-so-ever.

You're making connections out of thin air.

Would it be cool if it was Argus? Sure why not, but again he's dead.

[Sneaksies]

Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is. Argus is dead, find proof for contrary THEN this theory could be interesting.

Right now it's just, oh Argus the Unmaker is similar to Deathwing the Unmaker of Worlds, the Aspect of Death(because you know Dragon aspects and all) who was influenced by N'Zoth who has nothing to do with Argus what-so-ever.

You're making connections out of thin air.

Would it be cool if it was Argus? Sure why not, but again he's dead.

how can death die please explain. at the very least his essence is still alive, remember when sargeras killed the pantheon in chronicle? their spirits still live and they could manifest

[Cyram]

I had to laugh at people trying to connect gameplay flavor stuff and lore... it's one of the reasons I stopped watching Pyromancer's video long ago, he says "I know it's stupid and it makes no sense, but hear me out"... and people buy it, it's unbelievable.
Now, on topic...
There's no proof that the Titans are bound to a single type of magic, nor that there have to be one per school of magic.
Hell, Sargeras destroyed several worlds to avoid them becoming corrupted titans... does that mean there are several other schools of magic that were destroyed and wiped out of existence with the destruction of said planets?
And the "The Unmaker" title isn't exclusive... I mean, come on, Yogg Saron was Lord of Death. The Prime Evil, God of Death and whatnot, and he is dead (confirmed several times by official sources)... while Mueh'zala, the other Loa of Death is also known as God of Death. Ares they the same entity? No, no they're not. All they have in common is a cool, edgy title.

[Sanguinerd]

how can death die please explain. at the very least his essence is still alive, remember when sargeras killed the pantheon in chronicle? their spirits still live and they could manifest

He was never the entity that is Death to begin with, he was just a Titan. Titans can die therefor Argus can die.

The pantheon survived because Norgannon(I believe it was him) cast a spell to save their spirits, and even though the keepers on Azeroth couldn't handle it their spirits still remained somehow because of that and Sargeras captured them.

[Shaqthefat]

they wanted to kill everything, thats their primary goal wtf. anyway lets move off the deathwing thing. its just a theory of mine, its unlikely but possible

Saying their goal was to kill everything is over-simplifying everything. Deathwing's goal was to bring about the Hour of Twilight, which isn't the death of all life on Azeroth. Deathwing believe that if he succeeded in his goal he would rule over Azeroth. He was only going to scour Azeroth of Dragons so his rule would be uncontested. This is all information from the third Chronicle.

Argus's goal was to end all of creation to prevent the void from corrupting a Titan and finally complete the burning crusade.

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how can death die please explain. at the very least his essence is still alive, remember when sargeras killed the pantheon in chronicle? their spirits still live and they could manifest

Norgannon was able to save their spirits through a spell and once again "Even death can die" according to the puzzle box of Yogg-Saron, who refers to himself as the god of death.

The last of Argus's power was also used by the pantheon to imprison Sargeras.

[zlygork]

I knew that Pyromancer would be mentioned as soon as I saw the title lol.

He's an entertaining streamer to watch, but even he knows that his theories are pure tinfoil hattery made to entertain.

[Sneaksies]

He was never the entity that is Death to begin with, he was just a Titan. Titans can die therefor Argus can die.

The pantheon survived because Norgannon(I believe it was him) cast a spell to save their spirits, and even though the keepers on Azeroth couldn't handle it their spirits still remained somehow because of that and Sargeras captured them.

he is the death entity. titans are the highest beings in the universe, the gods per say

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I knew that Pyromancer would be mentioned as soon as I saw the title lol.

He's an entertaining streamer to watch, but even he knows that his theories are pure tinfoil hattery made to entertain.

agreed they are far fetched, but some of them are believable. i dont agree with him on everything however, actually on alot of stuff, but i think he hits it home on this topic

[Sanguinerd]

he is the death entity. titans are the highest beings in the universe, the gods per say

No he isn't.. you need to let that go already. Titans are NOT entities.

They are tied to arcane and creation(Order), they can use different spells but that does not make them entities.

[Piamonte]

he is the death entity. titans are the highest beings in the universe, the gods per say

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agreed they are far fetched, but some of them are believable. i dont agree with him on everything however, actually on alot of stuff, but i think he hits it home on this topic

elune is the highest being in the universe and from all we know the naaru could be superior to the titans in hierarchy

[Terongor]

how can death die please explain. at the very least his essence is still alive, remember when sargeras killed the pantheon in chronicle? their spirits still live and they could manifest

Also he isn't death he is an arcade creation his essence is purely arcade.

Sargeras never killed them..... norganon casted magical barrier to protect their bodies and sent their spirits to their keepers and later on when blizz was asked about that during antorus they answered that legion raided ulduar..... You so haven't read chronicles.....

[formerShandalay]

elune is the highest being in the universe and from all we know the naaru could be superior to the titans in hierarchy

I personally agree on Elune here, although we don't actually know how high of a being she is and what she is exactly anyway.

But the Naaru are not superior to the Titans, because chronicle explicitly states: "Even more extraordinary than the naaru were the colossal titans." (Chapter 1: Mythos)