Turkish troops launch offensive into northern Syria, says Erdogan

[Breccia]

So, how many of our until recently Kurdish allies have been killed because Trump made a phone call?

"About 150"

Thanks, FOX News.

[Azerul]

Current casualties (approximate numbers) on both sides:

Turkey has lost 2 soldier and 11 civilian. Casualties are mostly from mortar attacks and bomb truck explosions in Turkish towns. Just like the way you would expect from a terrorist organisation like YPG.

YPG has lost +350 terrorist.

God save our soldiers and every civilian.

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...box=1570810300

And reports that ISIS prisoners have begun escaping, just five so far.

[JohnBrown1917]

Current casualties (approximate numbers) on both sides:

Turkey has lost 2 soldier and 11 civilian. Casualties are mostly from mortar attacks and bomb truck explosions in Turkish towns. Just like the way you would expect from a terrorist organisation like YPG.

YPG has lost +350 terrorist.

God save our soldiers and every civilian.

You sure do love your genocides. Where the greeks also terrorists? Or the Armenians? Or the dozen other groups you guys tried to genocide?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...box=1570810300

And reports that ISIS prisoners have begun escaping, just five so far.

Who knew it was easy to escape during a battle.

[Theodarzna]

You really love this argument whenever there's an push to stop genocide, but that's not how it works in a democracy. Furthermore, this isn't a choice between intervention in a foreign war or peace. It's a choice between protecting our allies in the war against ISIS or allowing Turkey to commit another genocide.

So to stop a US Ally from committing genocide we have to be station in perpetuity in a country that we weren't invited or asked to come into, have zero business being involved in, to protect another faction involved in a brutal civil war. If we are so worried about the Kurds, we could declare a Kurdistan to be a thing and invade you know the country of Turkey which has a habit of doing these things.

As for stopping ISIS. ISIS is all but dead, and if we cared about stopping ISIS we would shoot at the Turks and not be trying to destroy the government of Syria which you know, is fighting ISIS.

If you wanted to stop the Turkish lust for genocide you'd have to you know, invade Turkey.

[Edge-]

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-arabia-044502

NO MORE FOREVER WARS, WE MUST LEAVE OUR KURDISH ALLIES TO DIE!

But don't worry Saudi Arabia, we'll send you a few thousand more troops. Maybe the Kurds just needed to kill a journalist and chop him up with hacksaws to get US support.

[Breccia]

So to stop a US Ally from committing genocide we have to be station in perpetuity

Literally four minutes later.

But don't worry Saudi Arabia, we'll send you a few thousand more troops.

Wow. Four fucking minutes.

Also:

The new troops will bring to 3,000 the number of forces “authorized or extended within the past month” since the attacks, Hoffman said. The Pentagon had earlier announced another deployment of air defense personnel. A defense official put the size of the newest deployment at 2,000 troops.

Taken along with other deployments of fighters, bombers, and air defense troops during the spring and summer, the U.S. military has boosted its troop presence in the Middle East “by approximately 14,000” since May, Hoffman added.

Since May. May.

Trump defenders are no longer allowed to use "Trump wants to bring the troops home". Or, they have to admit Trump isn't doing so, and they backed a lying loser. Pick one. It's Friday.

[D Luniz]

I'm getting the sense that the media is actually understating just how pissed the GOP is with Trump.

A LARGE chunk of that is cause the GOP has played the trope of "abused spouse that will never leave" so well, it is hard to see this not ending in the normal "but he still loves me, just his job is hard"

[Belize]

Well, ISIS is basically dead

Hold up, no. For 2 main reasons:

1. There are 10s of thousand of ISIL prisoners and family members in camps who still believe in the cause and are chomping at the bit to raise the next generation of fighters. Fo watch the Richard Angle reporting on it, he toured one of the camps.

2. How do you think an ideology can be killed? Germany was nearly wiped off the map after WW2 and there are still plenty of Nazis around to shoot up places of worship and plow through protesters with cars.

Assuming ISIL can just be defeated overnight is an absurdly ignorant and naive thought. Fixing the Middle East would take decades of outreach and education programs to undo the years of radicalization and brainwashing of an entire generation if young people.

[ati87]

So to stop a US Ally from committing genocide we have to be station in perpetuity in a country that we weren't invited or asked to come into, have zero business being involved in, to protect another faction involved in a brutal civil war. If we are so worried about the Kurds, we could declare a Kurdistan to be a thing and invade you know the country of Turkey which has a habit of doing these things.

As for stopping ISIS. ISIS is all but dead, and if we cared about stopping ISIS we would shoot at the Turks and not be trying to destroy the government of Syria which you know, is fighting ISIS.

If you wanted to stop the Turkish lust for genocide you'd have to you know, invade Turkey.

Just saying, when you're throwing the word genocide so casually it's kind of a sad and undermines the whole concept of what genocide truly is.
The fact is that there is not a single person of Turkish decent who doesn't have a Kurdish relative and chances are majority of people from Turkey are at least part Kurdish. In other words the situation is much more complex then Turkey invading Syria and killing everybody.

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Hold up, no. For 2 main reasons:

1. There are 10s of thousand of ISIL prisoners and family members in camps who still believe in the cause and are chomping at the bit to raise the next generation of fighters. Fo watch the Richard Angle reporting on it, he toured one of the camps.

2. How do you think an ideology can be killed? Germany was nearly wiped off the map after WW2 and there are still plenty of Nazis around to shoot up places of worship and plow through protesters with cars.

Assuming ISIL can just be defeated overnight is an absurdly ignorant and naive thought. Fixing the Middle East would take decades of outreach and education programs to undo the years of radicalization and brainwashing of an entire generation if young people.

Well it stops with not funding armed groups which only results in civil war.
Turkey currently has 3-4Million Syrian refugees and with how things have been going these people would have stayed refugees for the next few decades just like how there are multiply generations of Palestinian refugees.

[Breccia]

Not to worry, everyone! Trump is on the case! He's got an executive order ready to go!

"Ah, what sanctions did it apply?"

Um...none.

"Okay, but he signed it and it's doing something, right?"

No...it's not signed yet.

"...what does it even do?"

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Friday announced that President Trump will sign an executive order expanding the administration's ability to impose sanctions on Turkish officials as the president faces growing criticism over his decision to pull U.S. forces out of northern Syria.

Mnuchin said that the executive order does not itself contain new sanctions, but gives Trump the authority to enact them.

“The president is concerned about the ongoing military offensive and potential targeting of civilians, civilian infrastructure, ethnic and religious minorities, and the president wants to make very clear that it is imperative that Turkey not allow even a single ISIS fighter to escape,” Mnuchin told reporters at the White House.

"Not that I want ISIS fighters escaping either, but, didn't Trump directly say that it wouldn't matter because they'd just go to EUrope?"

So that's Trump's plan: to grant himself greater powers, then actually use them. Not to use what he has right now, but eventually. I mean, it's "only" been a work week, it's not like he's been going around on campaign rallloh right, that's exactly what he did.

[JohnBrown1917]

ISIS is not just escaping, it is ALSO attacking the Kurds.

Turkey getting together with its natural ally.

[Edge-]

https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

Reports Turkey "accidentally" shelled US special forces.

So...what's Trump's next move? Attack Turkey? Or are we just going to bend over and take it with a smile?

[Kreuger]

https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

Reports Turkey "accidentally" shelled US special forces.

So...what's Trump's next move? Attack Turkey? Or are we just going to bend over and take it with a smile?

Looks like the artilleri hit close by, not on the troops

https://twitter.com/ACapaccio/status...58816217210880

"U.S. official on reports of Turkish attack on SOF in Syria: ``We don't know if it's Turkish fire. We don't know if it's Kurdish fire. We just want to make sure we don't have a lot of errant information out there saying U.S. Service members were attacked. That's not accurate''"

Still, Turkey should be more careful

[JohnBrown1917]

https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

Reports Turkey "accidentally" shelled US special forces.

So...what's Trump's next move? Attack Turkey? Or are we just going to bend over and take it with a smile?

Apologize for getting in the way of a genocide.

[Shadowferal]

Israel isn't happy about Trump's shitty decision

[Thepersona]

Hold up, no. For 2 main reasons:

1. There are 10s of thousand of ISIL prisoners and family members in camps who still believe in the cause and are chomping at the bit to raise the next generation of fighters. Fo watch the Richard Angle reporting on it, he toured one of the camps.

2. How do you think an ideology can be killed? Germany was nearly wiped off the map after WW2 and there are still plenty of Nazis around to shoot up places of worship and plow through protesters with cars.

Assuming ISIL can just be defeated overnight is an absurdly ignorant and naive thought. Fixing the Middle East would take decades of outreach and education programs to undo the years of radicalization and brainwashing of an entire generation if young people.

I mean, you can "destroy" an ideology (in the sense that everyone would be too fucking scare to show it publicly), by going full konrad kurze/punisher on them.
Now, it should be clear that's not a good idea

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Hold up, no. For 2 main reasons:

1. There are 10s of thousand of ISIL prisoners and family members in camps who still believe in the cause and are chomping at the bit to raise the next generation of fighters. Fo watch the Richard Angle reporting on it, he toured one of the camps.

2. How do you think an ideology can be killed? Germany was nearly wiped off the map after WW2 and there are still plenty of Nazis around to shoot up places of worship and plow through protesters with cars.

Assuming ISIL can just be defeated overnight is an absurdly ignorant and naive thought. Fixing the Middle East would take decades of outreach and education programs to undo the years of radicalization and brainwashing of an entire generation if young people.

I mean, you can "destroy" an ideology (in the sense that everyone would be too fucking scare to show it publicly), by going full konrad kurze/punisher on them.
Now, it should be clear that's not a good idea

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Israel isn't happy about Trump's shitty decision

So... Everyone and their mom is outraged with what the Orange Cataclysm has done. Odds of him caving in?

[Rasulis]

Israel isn't happy about Trump's shitty decision

Many in Israel still remember how in 1970s the Kurds helped more than 2,000 Iraqi's Jews to escape from the Ba’athist regime.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/11/0...eader-barzani/

[Thekri]

https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-syria-turkey-1464727

Reports Turkey "accidentally" shelled US special forces.

So...what's Trump's next move? Attack Turkey? Or are we just going to bend over and take it with a smile?

Called it. Fucking called it. Look at the location for that attack, right where I said they would be, and Turkey is shelling them anyway.

I love how the video at the top of that article has Trump saying "We have no soldiers in Syria" on the White House lawn yesterday. Now I am assuming he meant something more limited then Syria, but that isn't what he said. The man is fucking brain damaged. He literally said "We have no Soldiers in Syria" as US Soldiers in Syria are ducking from incoming Turkish Artillery.

Betrayer of our Allies and Betrayer of Our Military.

Impeach the MF.

[Thepersona]

Many in Israel still remember how in 1970s the Kurds helped more than 2,000 Iraqi's Jews to escape from the Ba’athist regime.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/11/0...eader-barzani/

And now i'm agreing with the Israelis over this. Look what have you done, Tangerine Massacre!

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Called it. Fucking called it. Look at the location for that attack, right where I said they would be, and Turkey is shelling them anyway.

I love how the video at the top of that article has Trump saying "We have no soldiers in Syria" on the White House lawn yesterday. Now I am assuming he meant something more limited then Syria, but that isn't what he said. The man is fucking brain damaged. He literally said "We have no Soldiers in Syria" as US Soldiers in Syria are ducking from incoming Turkish Artillery.

Betrayer of our Allies and Betrayer of Our Military.

Impeach the MF.

You should send that letter again, with the added sentence: "And now, american blood is on his hands. And unless you do something, it's on yours too."