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    The DOJ files to block subpoena of Trump's Tax returns.

    What. The. Fuck.

    We have gotten to this point, we have normalized this shit to such an extent that this happens openly. Think about what this is, this is a subpoena against Trump and his business personally, not anything related to his current office, these are his returns from before he was President. This case is being managed by Trump's personal lawyers, not government ones. The United States Department of Justice is intervening in a State investigation to protect the President personally. This is beyond outrageous, this is pure treason. The Department of Justice works for the people of the United States, they are not his personal law firm. He doesn't pay them, we do.

    Fuck Barr, jail his sorry ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    The DOJ files to block subpoena of Trump's Tax returns.

    What. The. Fuck.

    We have gotten to this point, we have normalized this shit to such an extent that this happens openly. Think about what this is, this is a subpoena against Trump and his business personally, not anything related to his current office, these are his returns from before he was President. This case is being managed by Trump's personal lawyers, not government ones. The United States Department of Justice is intervening in a State investigation to protect the President personally. This is beyond outrageous, this is pure treason. The Department of Justice works for the people of the United States, they are not his personal law firm. He doesn't pay them, we do.

    Fuck Barr, jail his sorry ass.
    So basically just another day. This corruption knows no boundaries.

    How come we never see Trump fans comment on little details like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    The DOJ files to block subpoena of Trump's Tax returns.

    What. The. Fuck.

    We have gotten to this point, we have normalized this shit to such an extent that this happens openly. Think about what this is, this is a subpoena against Trump and his business personally, not anything related to his current office, these are his returns from before he was President. This case is being managed by Trump's personal lawyers, not government ones. The United States Department of Justice is intervening in a State investigation to protect the President personally. This is beyond outrageous, this is pure treason. The Department of Justice works for the people of the United States, they are not his personal law firm. He doesn't pay them, we do.

    Fuck Barr, jail his sorry ass.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/polit...ell/index.html

    I mean after this...is it remotely surprising?

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    Link seems borked on my end, but that's still fucked up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    So basically just another day. This corruption knows no boundaries.

    How come we never see Trump fans comment on little details like this?
    How do you even arrest the Attorney General? Like who is supposed to do it? Can the city of Washington DC do it? Because this is blatant as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Link seems borked on my end, but that's still fucked up
    It says pretty much what it says in the headline. The DOJ filed apparently using Nixon's argument of "When the President does it, it isn't against the law", and claims New York doesn't have the authority to subpoena tax returns for businesses and individuals in their own state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Link seems borked on my end, but that's still fucked up
    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4...eturn-subpoena

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    How do you even arrest the Attorney General? Like who is supposed to do it? Can the city of Washington DC do it? Because this is blatant as hell.

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    It says pretty much what it says in the headline. The DOJ filed apparently using Nixon's argument of "When the President does it, it isn't against the law", and claims New York doesn't have the authority to subpoena tax returns for businesses and individuals in their own state.
    Yeh I found a link from The Hill that worked and skimmed it. Though I think using Richard Nixon as your baseline for arguments during an active Impeachment inquiry holds enough irony to offset the US' Steel Tarrifs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    The DOJ files to block subpoena of Trump's Tax returns.

    What. The. Fuck.

    We have gotten to this point, we have normalized this shit to such an extent that this happens openly. Think about what this is, this is a subpoena against Trump and his business personally, not anything related to his current office, these are his returns from before he was President. This case is being managed by Trump's personal lawyers, not government ones. The United States Department of Justice is intervening in a State investigation to protect the President personally. This is beyond outrageous, this is pure treason. The Department of Justice works for the people of the United States, they are not his personal law firm. He doesn't pay them, we do.

    Fuck Barr, jail his sorry ass.
    Add it to the list of things to go in the articles of impeachment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Yeh I found a link from The Hill that worked and skimmed it. Though I think using Richard Nixon as your baseline for arguments during an active Impeachment inquiry holds enough irony to offset the US' Steel Tarrifs.
    Speaking of sheer irony, the article says that the Argument from Trump's personal lawyers is that only the Federal Government should have jurisdiction, and that the Constitution grants immunity for a sitting president from any federal entity except congressional impeachment. ...and they are simultaneously fighting a different case to block a House Subpoena for impeachment (Edit: For the exact same bit of evidence no less)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    The DOJ files to block subpoena of Trump's Tax returns.

    What. The. Fuck.

    We have gotten to this point, we have normalized this shit to such an extent that this happens openly. Think about what this is, this is a subpoena against Trump and his business personally, not anything related to his current office, these are his returns from before he was President. This case is being managed by Trump's personal lawyers, not government ones. The United States Department of Justice is intervening in a State investigation to protect the President personally. This is beyond outrageous, this is pure treason. The Department of Justice works for the people of the United States, they are not his personal law firm. He doesn't pay them, we do.

    Fuck Barr, jail his sorry ass.
    Didn't he already lose this lawsuit today? How the fuck can he do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Didn't he already lose this lawsuit today? How the fuck can he do that?
    Different lawsuit. There are currently two lawsuits filed by Trump's personal lawyers to block separate subpoenas of his accounting firm, Mazar's Inc. One subpoena is from the US House of Representatives and is tied to the impeachment inquiry, and a Judge struck down their challenge today on the grounds of "That is stupid as shit". The one in this article is the simultaneous lawsuit against the Southern District of New York's investigation into the hush money payments during the 2016 election. A Judge ruled against him on this one too, so now he is dragging it to an appeals court, and that is where the DoJ is intervening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Different lawsuit. There are currently two lawsuits filed by Trump's personal lawyers to block separate subpoenas of his accounting firm, Mazar's Inc. One subpoena is from the US House of Representatives and is tied to the impeachment inquiry, and a Judge struck down their challenge today on the grounds of "That is stupid as shit". The one in this article is the simultaneous lawsuit against the Southern District of New York's investigation into the hush money payments during the 2016 election. A Judge ruled against him on this one too, so now he is dragging it to an appeals court, and that is where the DoJ is intervening.
    To which they are probably going to lose and waste more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Yeh I found a link from The Hill that worked and skimmed it. Though I think using Richard Nixon as your baseline for arguments during an active Impeachment inquiry holds enough irony to offset the US' Steel Tarrifs.
    Under Crooked Bill, the US does not have an Attorney General or a Department of Justice. Barr is Trumps fixer and he's turning the DoJ into Trumps personal law firm.
    "If you are ever asking yourself 'Is Trump lying or is he stupid?', the answer is most likely C: All of the Above" - Seth Meyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    And another "acting" secretary leaves.
    Dude made it, what, six months?

    I don't know if this guy is a die-hard rabid fanbase member or not, but, I would assume Trump would have wanted one his own "Trump before party before country" people involved with his Wall. And, well, the Wall just took a hit in court. I think I have a quote from the judge's ruling:

    It was climbed by an 8 year old girl FFS
    Oh, that's not it. Nevermind. Anyhow, that's Trump's fourth DHS. It's not even three years.

    Nielsen resigned April 7. Now, I'm hardly an expert, but I seem to remember something about a 210-day limit on acting Cabinet members. 210 days from Apr 7 is Nov 3. If I'm right, Trump has a deadline.

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    By the way, Donald Trump went 0 for 5 in court today. That is right, he lost 5 major lawsuits in 1 day, even after he packed the courts. Something about his continued insistence on doing blatantly illegal shit.

    Trump Border Wall: Western District of Texas rules that he can't use military money to build his wall.
    Trump Tax Returns: DC Court of Appeals says Congress can totally have his tax returns. Because constitution, duh.
    Trump Green Card restrictions on Poor Immigrants: Southern District of New York says "You have got to be kidding me, that is illegal as shit"
    Trump Green Card restrictions on Poor Immigrants: Eastern District of Washington says "Hahaha, no. Get your shit together guys, I think it is illegal to propose this"
    Trump Green Card restrictions on Poor Immigrants: Northern District of California didn't say anything. They just jumped on top of the pile and tried to get some kicks in. Also they blocked it too.

    It is worth noting that some Trump appointed judges wrote dissents to these, but their peers generally rolled their eyes and ignored them.

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    Apparently the US manufacturing sector is officially in a recession now. Thanks Trump!

    Would our resident non-Trump supporting Trump supporters like @Sulla or @zenkai care to chime in and tell us that Trump is just playing 3D chess or something?
    "If you are ever asking yourself 'Is Trump lying or is he stupid?', the answer is most likely C: All of the Above" - Seth Meyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Trump Tax Returns: DC Court of Appeals says Congress can totally have his tax returns. Because constitution, duh.
    Something that's now getting traction: it's time for Guess the Speaker!

    allegations of illegal conduct against the President cannot be investigated by Congress except through impeachment
    "Um...who would say that?"

    The Trump-appointed judge who was the dissenting vote.

    "But...but that's an invitation to impeach him, at which point, there is no more legal defense! That's admission that Trump has to be impeached!"

    Yes. Yes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Apparently the US manufacturing sector is officially in a recession now. Thanks Trump!

    Would our resident non-Trump supporting Trump supporters like @Sulla or @zenkai care to chime in and tell us that Trump is just playing 3D chess or something?
    I think all the Trumpsters are over in the thread where they are mad about liberals being rude to the President at his rally. That is the real threat to democracy, dontcha know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Something that's now getting traction: it's time for Guess the Speaker!



    "Um...who would say that?"

    The Trump-appointed judge who was the dissenting vote.

    "But...but that's an invitation to impeach him, at which point, there is no more legal defense! That's admission that Trump has to be impeached!"

    Yes. Yes it is.
    It is really funny how they keep painting themselves into a corner on defenses like this. All their legal arguments fall apart in a matter of days if not hours. Unfortunately they have absolutely no shame about moving the goal posts the second that happens, and pretending their previous argument never happened. I guarantee after the house passes articles of impeachment this judge will still rule against forcing the administration to cooperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulla View Post
    What exactly would the administration have to cooperate with if the House passes articles of impeachment?
    any other concurrent investigations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    By the way, Donald Trump went 0 for 5 in court today. That is right, he lost 5 major lawsuits in 1 day, even after he packed the courts. Something about his continued insistence on doing blatantly illegal shit.

    Trump Border Wall: Western District of Texas rules that he can't use military money to build his wall.
    Trump Tax Returns: DC Court of Appeals says Congress can totally have his tax returns. Because constitution, duh.
    Trump Green Card restrictions on Poor Immigrants: Southern District of New York says "You have got to be kidding me, that is illegal as shit"
    Trump Green Card restrictions on Poor Immigrants: Eastern District of Washington says "Hahaha, no. Get your shit together guys, I think it is illegal to propose this"
    Trump Green Card restrictions on Poor Immigrants: Northern District of California didn't say anything. They just jumped on top of the pile and tried to get some kicks in. Also they blocked it too.

    It is worth noting that some Trump appointed judges wrote dissents to these, but their peers generally rolled their eyes and ignored them.
    600 former EPA officials demand investigation into Trump administration over California threats

    Nearly 600 former Environmental Protection Agency officials have called for an investigation into whether the agency's leaders abused their authority by threatening punitive action against California.

    In a letter to the House committees on Oversight and Government Reform and Energy and Commerce, 593 signatories asked for a probe to determine whether EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler's aggressive focus on California officials is rooted in a retaliatory effort to punish the state for not backing President Donald Trump's political agenda.

    In response, the former EPA officials said the warning was spurred by Trump's political fury because there were other states with a comparable number of violations in which no action was taken by the EPA.

    Former officials noted that Ohio, New York, Iowa, Missouri, Texas and Indiana have had more pollution sources than California in "significant" noncompliance with environmental laws over the last three years.


    Fired EPA scientists to release air pollution report they say agency unqualified to issue

    Nearly one year ago, the Trump administration fired a panel of more than two dozen scientific experts who assisted the Environmental Protection Agency in its review of air quality standards for particulate matter.

    Now, as the EPA prepares its report on those standards later this month, 20 of those scientists are meeting independently to release their own assessment of current air pollution levels, with a focus on the particles from fossil fuels that can make people sick.

    These scientists and researchers, former members of the Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee (CASAC) on particulate matter, said the EPA has stripped the panel down to its core seven members, who are ill-equipped to set air quality standards and don’t have the time to do it.

    “They fired the particulate matter review panel and they said the chartered CASAC would do the review,” Chris Zarba, who served as the staff director of the Scientific Advisory Board at the EPA until 2018, said. “In the history of the agency this has never happened. The new panel is unqualified and the new panel has said they were unqualified.”

    In response, the group of former panel members reconvened at a meeting in Washington on Thursday and Friday that is open to the public — exactly one year after they were told that their expertise was no longer needed. This group of scientists, engineers and researchers have formed a nongovernmental committee called the Independent Particulate Matter Review Panel.


    This is officially the worst presidency ever.

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