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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Funny enough, warlock demo is not even close to mage or spriest

    It is very close to frost Mage or spriest. Use incinerate/frostbolt/mind flay/mind blast to gain soul shards/icicles/insanity, and when you have enough, release them with cbolt/GS/voidform. Yes, there are a few more ins and outs, but at a foundational level they are the same.

    hunter bm does not feel like warrior

    Of course it doesn't, one is ranged and the other is melee.

    Nor DH feels like monk/rogue

    Can't comment on leather wearers, so I'll let that pass
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    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
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    Nah dude, first of all demo lock deals most damage with tyrant. That alone makes it completely distinct from mage or spriest, namely perparing and executing fat ass tyrant. Also implosion - vastly different from other spells, does not use resource per-se, but your imps.

  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by JavelinJoe View Post
    GCD changes among others have hurt all classes making players of all of them feel like their class was ruined, just as an example.
    What hurt classes was to have many abilities off GCD so you could slap it on macro to some filler button and forget about it. Like we do it with racials now.

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    @JavelinJoe maybe DK players feel that way because from the very beginning Unholy was thematically the most "DK-ish" spec. While Blood has always been a half assed vampire spec (thematically, not gameplay-wise) and Frost was oddly similar to a melee Frost Mage, Unholy had a strong focus on pets and diseases, i.e. dots. Going from that style of gameplay to builder/spender spec #52493... feels bad man.
    Quote Originally Posted by trimble View Post
    WoD was the expansion that was targeted at non raiders.

  5. #505
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    List your favorite 15 specs. That's less than 50% of them, and you claim most of them are fluid and good. List your 15 favorite, most fluid specs.
    Can I list my 15 favourite specs from classic? Thanks, I will go ahead and do just that:

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    Aw man I tried really hard, but all classes and literally most builds come down to pressing a single button.

  6. #506
    Quote Originally Posted by Asaliah View Post
    Too many DPS classes are exactly the same (never played as a shaman):

    Energy/combo points: rogue/monk/DK/ret pal/demon hunter

    Caster: mage/shadow priest/warlock

    Energy: warrior/hunter

    Actually you have only 3 different gameplays/classes in the game as a DPS
    Imagine actually thinking every class is the same. Among all specs, energy specs probably play the most similarly, but even then, there are variations. Even if you had correct groups based on resources(You don't), it's not the base resource which dictates playstyle in the first place.

  7. #507
    Quote Originally Posted by Soluna View Post
    Can I list my 15 favourite specs from classic? Thanks, I will go ahead and do just that:

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    Aw man I tried really hard, but all classes and literally most builds come down to pressing a single button.
    What a strange thing to say. Why did you make it about classic? Are you obsessed with classic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarkol View Post
    Imagine actually thinking every class is the same. Among all specs, energy specs probably play the most similarly, but even then, there are variations. Even if you had correct groups based on resources(You don't), it's not the base resource which dictates playstyle in the first place.
    Load of word salad. They are right, with a quick overview, they all play VERY similar, and it is only the micro differences that some people focus in on. But you have to go looking for them. Notice how you didnt actually list the dramatic differences between those specs listed, but instead went with a soft insult, and some word salad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean imps ARE a resource. Demo has multiple resources, it has soul shards, it has imps (since you can spend imps with implosion or power siphon) and it has demonic core stacks.
    Demo is probably one of the most unique specs in WoW right now and for the first time it seems to match the spec fantasy, Blizzard did a solid job.
    Its also really fluid. I think they did a good job with it and enjoy it for the most part.

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    Old school left, new guys are not that good.

    And there's also the fact that Blizzard in 2002-2006 didn't have it's hands tied by corporate managers.

  10. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by rohoz View Post
    "their arrogance"

    Fuckin lol

    Surely blizzard, a triple A game manufacturing company, doesn't know more than y'all on this here fansite.
    Because being a triple A company automatically means they're fucking omniscience. Sega falls into the same problem with its fans making a more well-recieved and quality game than the main team has in YEARS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy
    People just want to be bullies without facing any sort of consequences or social fallout for being a bully. If you declare X as a racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. person you can say or do whatever you want to them, ignoring the fact that they are a human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnluckyAmateur View Post
    Because being a triple A company automatically means they're fucking omniscience. Sega falls into the same problem with its fans making a more well-recieved and quality game than the main team has in YEARS.
    okay well do better then

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    Even though this is all down to your personal opinion, it is true that they have lost a bit of strength on that area and I blame the new system (since Legion), which is based on having expansion specific talents that we unlock over time, instead of focusing in a raw talent system.

    They do this to keep people engaged, as if you have the best talent system since day one, many would get tired of it. I would not, but many complained about this in the past.

  13. #513
    Quote Originally Posted by rohoz View Post
    okay well do better then
    You have far too much faith in big companies, sad really.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy
    People just want to be bullies without facing any sort of consequences or social fallout for being a bully. If you declare X as a racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. person you can say or do whatever you want to them, ignoring the fact that they are a human.

  14. #514
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    What a strange thing to say. Why did you make it about classic? Are you obsessed with classic?
    Under what context would you suggest that I am obsessed with classic?

    I really like classic as a game, and I play it alongside retail. You asked the dude something silly - to name 15 specs he enjoys, and finds fluid/etc. I found two specialisations fun in mists of pandaria, Destruction and Affliction warlock. I've played Warrior, Hunter, Paladin, Deathknight and Monk in MoP, all specs, in addition to my warlock main, yet I never really liked any other specs. Does my personal preference mean that MoP had shit class design? No, and neither do yours.

    The correct way to approach this problem is to neutrally see what is wrong with the specs, rather than try to enforce your decision by whether the person you are arguing with likes an arbitary amount of specs you just decided on the fly.

    I used classic as an example because it seems like it gets brought up for literally everything bad about BFA, and acting as if classic is the holy grail. My bad if you aren't one of them. However, please do not 'hang' on that specific part of my reply. If this is the focus of your next reply to me, I will just ignore you, as further discussion on that would be pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnluckyAmateur View Post
    You have far too much faith in big companies, sad really.
    I mean you say that, but all these super amazing class designers we have here in mmo-champion could then simply apply to blizz with their class design PhDs and get in, and get us the game we truly want! They must all be so well-versed in class design, considering 99% of the ideas in mmo champion, story-wise, feature-wise or class design-wise, has been utter shit, or so vague that you might as well say 'make the class cooler!' and act as if that's proper feedback.

    Not that blizzard is an amazing gaming company sadly, but until you badasses actually get hired and fix the game, I think I will trust blizzard more than you guys. It's not like Blizz is just declining the best class designers this industry has to offer, and sticks to its cleaning crew to do class design.

  15. #515
    I was shocked when i started playing my classes in WoD. My Arms Warrior, Destruction Warlock and Frost Knight all felt very different and the gameplay was disgusting compared to MoPs standards.

    Personally, in the face of classic, i think the MoP philosophy would work well, especially combined with better talent trees. A combination of the old and current talent trees would help quite a bit if well designed.

    And Blizzard has to lose its mentality ala "You play like we want to play the game. Otherwise, fun isn't allowed and we will destroy any play style you might find utterly and forever!" when it comes to the design of classes, on top investing only the absolute minimum when it comes to class design or redesign. A lot of classes are a disgusting mess in BfA. How can it be that nothing happens at all. That wasn't the case back in Vanilla, BC, Wotlk, Cata and MoP.

  16. #516
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhart11 View Post
    I was shocked when i started playing my classes in WoD. My Arms Warrior, Destruction Warlock and Frost Knight all felt very different and the gameplay was disgusting compared to MoPs standards.

    Personally, in the face of classic, i think the MoP philosophy would work well, especially combined with better talent trees. A combination of the old and current talent trees would help quite a bit if well designed.

    And Blizzard has to lose its mentality ala "You play like we want to play the game. Otherwise, fun isn't allowed and we will destroy any play style you might find utterly and forever!" when it comes to the design of classes, on top investing only the absolute minimum when it comes to class design or redesign. A lot of classes are a disgusting mess in BfA. How can it be that nothing happens at all. That wasn't the case back in Vanilla, BC, Wotlk, Cata and MoP.
    I felt the same when I mained a monk in MoP and it's odd to say the least. I do agree that we should have a blend of old and new and I think the closest we've had to that was the artifact system despite it still being somewhat linear in its approach but still pretty good overall. After playing classic I have a brand new appreciation for auto-attacking weirdly enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soluna View Post

    I mean you say that, but all these super amazing class designers we have here in mmo-champion could then simply apply to blizz with their class design PhDs and get in, and get us the game we truly want! They must all be so well-versed in class design, considering 99% of the ideas in mmo champion, story-wise, feature-wise or class design-wise, has been utter shit, or so vague that you might as well say 'make the class cooler!' and act as if that's proper feedback.

    Not that blizzard is an amazing gaming company sadly, but until you badasses actually get hired and fix the game, I think I will trust blizzard more than you guys. It's not like Blizz is just declining the best class designers this industry has to offer, and sticks to its cleaning crew to do class design.
    Amazing, you're just wildly throwing out fallacies and text feces like an insane prisoner.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy
    People just want to be bullies without facing any sort of consequences or social fallout for being a bully. If you declare X as a racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. person you can say or do whatever you want to them, ignoring the fact that they are a human.

  17. #517
    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity River View Post
    I have my fingers and toes crossed that they can give all classes and specs a decent overhaul that works in 9.0 now that they realize they went abit too far in dumbing down the classes and changing them so much.

    Over the years our classes have somehow regressed rather than progressed.
    With a new expansion every other year there is no time to revamp all classes, test them and all other things than need to be balanced around it.

    For a full class revamp we need more time for development.

  18. #518
    Quote Originally Posted by UnluckyAmateur View Post
    I felt the same when I mained a monk in MoP and it's odd to say the least. I do agree that we should have a blend of old and new and I think the closest we've had to that was the artifact system despite it still being somewhat linear in its approach but still pretty good overall. After playing classic I have a brand new appreciation for auto-attacking weirdly enough.



    Amazing, you're just wildly throwing out fallacies and text feces like an insane prisoner.
    Amazing, calling me an insane prisoner, as you have no proper argument. But I guess that's the best you can do, considering you are just a random poster who literally has no experience in class design, or anything when it comes down to how to make games, yet you somehow believe that the dumpster fire ideas that mmo-chads come up with are what will save WoW. Go on, amuse us further.

    With that being said, I believe that blizzard can indeed do better. However, I do not think that the mmo community really has any solid ideas regarding reworks/etc.

  19. #519
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean imps ARE a resource. Demo has multiple resources, it has soul shards, it has imps (since you can spend imps with implosion or power siphon) and it has demonic core stacks.
    Demo is probably one of the most unique specs in WoW right now and for the first time it seems to match the spec fantasy, Blizzard did a solid job.
    They are and they are not resource at the same time. You can NOT spend it if you are going ST. None of the other builder/spender classes can do that. They are also delayed + decaying resource that deals damage by itself.

  20. #520
    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity River View Post
    Tbh I wouldnt mind if we didnt get a new class with the new expansion as long as they did a good job with the current class/spec combos.
    Me neither and I wouldn’t mind an expansion being longer either and with major patches instead.

    But I don’t think others agree.

    An expansion creates an illusion of progression and something being entirely new. A patch is just a patch even if it’s a major one. Especially with the current release schedule of expansions.
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