Originally Posted by
Super Dickmann
The Forsaken do not fit in with the WC3 Horde, that much is obvious to everyone with eyes and I've never disputed it. I've also never hidden my disinterest for the WC3 Horde in general. What I told you is that there are several versions of the Horde - Thrall's, with a union of tribal races united with finding a place in a harsh world to peacefully exist in accord with the elements and practicing shamanism, with a general 'primitive' aesthetic, the Eastern Horde who're in an alliance of convenience bolstered by being rejected by the world and a shared monstrosity, Garrosh's/the Iron Horde as a militaristic war machine centrally tied around orcish interests, or even Sylvanas's Horde as an entirely impersonal vehicle of grievances with no higher values, despised by the one running it. The Forsaken fit with the second, and they found their place in the latter two as well. Calia fits with the values, aesthetic and positions of none of them. The blood elves haven't fit with any of them since TBC, when they were no longer rejected, the 'monstrous' aspect fell away since they pushed fel magic and their naaru abuse out of the limelight, along with slavery and mana vampirism and the nightborne were just the post-TBC blood elves, but purple and so likewise have no connection to outweigh a sophisticated aesthetic. Now the undead join them in this camp - undead that reclaim their Lordaeronian identity, which is to say their identity into the Alliance and work to create bridges with the Alliance through a leader who's friends are Alliance, who were always in the Horde chiefly out of necessity and convenience, belong on the Alliance following this huge cultural shift because the things that separated them from the Alliance no longer apply. The bit about how shamanism is also the safeguarding of the world is an irrelevance, since that just falls into the same camp as being 'honorable', both factions are honorable and both want to safeguard the world, it's the tribal practices, ancestor worship, reverence for the elements vs. the organized, western church-like religion of the Light that was the key differentiation between the Alliance and the WC3 Horde of which the current Horde is a pale imitation.
The Horde changed with the addition of the Forsaken and blood elves yes, but they had the shared trait pointed out elsewhere of monstrosity and rejection by other powers, necessitating they be a part of this bloc and preventing them from being part of the other. These factors are now right out. Let me describe a race to you - they are the people of a WC2-era Alliance kingdom, afflicted by a condition that put them at odds with their former kin, this curse was initially set up as very delibitating and mentally altering but has over time been reduced to a cosmetic effect that doesn't make them any less human. These people, who distanced themselves heavily from the Alliance at a point in their existence, have as their leader a monarch of the same lineage as the WC2-era kingdom, who through contracting this cosmetic condition, grew more close to people who'd previously been distant from him, and resolved to lead them on a course that reestablishes their links to the Alliance. Their capital was destroyed by Sylvanas through Blight and their leader is a foil and counterpart to Sylvanas. Which race am I describing right now? Which faction do you think that race should be on, given said description? Trick question on that last one, since no matter who you identified as the race, the answer would still be the Alliance.