Because a certain subset of the Alliance playebase is convinced that Blizzard is out to get them and has been for over a decade. To the point that they'd continue their doomsaying about the HORDE BIAS demon even if every Horde race was wiped out.
"3. The Alliance then rallies and raids Lordaeron in an equal fight, sacking the place and will likely soon reclaim it for the alliance (Clear Alliance victory)"
Not so much the alliance winning as the horde losing.
"9. The Nazjatar intro. Its literally the horde fleeing for their lives. Is this passive? Is this losing?"
Like the last time it was a trap that worked and decimated their fleets down to about even. Points: -50 for alliance, -10 for the horde, and +9999 for the old gods TBH.
Honestly the biggest win was winning over Saurfang. Anduin took a huge risk there that paid off for him immensely. People write off him as young and inexperienced, and he may still be, but I say he's proven himself as king. Not even Varian could have ever dreamed being openly allowed into the streets of Orgrimmar.
The Alliance lost one of their OG race (genocided according to the lore, and the survivors now leave in Stormwind) and the rest of Kalimdor.
I know you guys are obsessed over losing some generic NPC here and there, but in terms of military/political win, it's clear that the Horde obliterated the Alliance.
Not to mention that the Night Elves vs Orcs in Kalimdor was one (if not THE) main reason why factions existed since vanilla.
Probably stated in this thread already, but Lordaeron is not a clear-cut Alliance victory. The Alliance stormed the city with two goals in mind: reclaiming the city for the Alliance, and apprehending Sylvanas; neither of which have been accomplished, even now that the war is supposedly over. Contrast that with its Horde equivalent in the form of Teldrassil, in which the Horde unabashedly slaughtered the night elf populace, severely wounded one of the Alliance's leaders, and completely eradicated an entire capital city, all with minimal losses on their part.
Dialogue between Stormwind citizens post-8.2.5 also seems to suggest that Lordaeron will no longer be inhabitable due to the blight, meaning that like Teldrassil, it isn't about to be refurnished any time soon
In their defense (even if i still think that was a stupid move) the Alliance and Genn probably thought that Sylvanas was on the admiral ship so they sent most (if not all) of their fleet to be sure to capture her.
And this is another example of the matter that I was talking about. It's Genn, not Anduin, trying to do something to end the war. Instead of making Anduin a proactive character, they keep holding him on his throne only to have him appeared to say stuff about not pressing the attack on the enemy because their king is dead.
For stuff like this he comes out not only as a passive character but as a stupid ruler since, even knowing his army depleted numbers, he's allowing the war to continue more than necessary
In the absence of new lore, old lore remains. The most recent status we got is that Ashenvale was held by the Horde and Darkshore being contested, but leaning towards the Alliance. They could adjust this later, but at present there's no reason to think they got htose lands back, especially since Tyrande left for Nordrassil.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
Given how @Super Dickmann didn't blame anything they described on Blizzard hating the Alliance and plotting how to make them the most miserable, they're safe. It's almost as if you deliberately didn't get which part of your conspiracy theory makes it a conspiracy theory.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
I've not read it but apparently Before the Storm makes the case that the Forsaken still have control of Gilneas. From wowpedia:
So unless it's another case of the novels messing up stuff again, Forsaken have control of Gilneas still. Though the Black Dragons did take over Gilneas at one point so when the Rogue player takes care of them perhaps it was just assumed the Forsaken retook the kingdom afterwards.Before the Storm
By the time of the end of the Argus Campaign, the kingdom was referred to as fallen, with nothing but "wind, sorrow and ruin" in the land. When Genn arrived at Stromgarde Keep before the events of the Gathering, he told Anduin that both kingdoms were now in ruins, with Gilneas being home to the Forsaken and Stromgarde being overrun with criminals, ogres, and trolls.
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It is a desirable meme as a part of a demand that Blizzard favor Alliance players over Horde players. At its most extreme, this ends up being a demand that the Blizzard favor Alliance players over Horde players, to the point of force Horde players (except you can't, they just unsubscribe) to go through having their faction be completely destroyed by a noble and completely victorious Alliance.
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I would call it "clear cut" in that the Alliance came out ahead (claims that destroying a Horde capital is not a victory not withstanding). It would be fait to call it "qualified", since the Alliance didn't achieve every possible objective.
The War of Thorns as a shole is also a qualified victory in that Sylvanas didn't get Tryande or Malfurion. OTOH, since whether something is a victory depends on gettting what you want (whether or not what you want is to commit a pointless massacre so you can become the next villian) the burning of Teldrassil itself is a complete victory.
Don't cry Alliance players, Unity Mode for cross faction PvE is coming and you can group with your Horde brothers and sisters, or keep War Mode on and drink that revenge punch up.
Alliance lost? They just installed a puppet leadership for the entire Horde (including the Forsaken) and got a meat shield army to fight N'zoth.
Just like the Allies empowered the West Germany and Japan after Second World War.
1. Alliance never sacked Lordaeron. Sylvanas expected to lose it. She evacuated and booby trapped the place in advance and left the Alliance a pile of rubble. The "human potential" getting cuddly with those who are in support of Sylvanas doesn't really help either
2. Ask the slaughtered citizens of Brennandan if they feel particularly victorious today.. Oh, ups, they are dead, men, women, children, healers wiped out by the Horde.
Also: "We" don't have Tyrande. The "human potential" decided to abandon their ancient allies in their hour of need. Fuck the human potiential.
3. You are not speaking for the nelves. Probably a "human potential" dude. There was no retribution for Teldrassil. Retribution for Teldrassil would be wiping out Orgrimmar, cleaning nelf lands from all Horde filth and mass executions.
4. Oh yeah, and since nelves are the 2nd most popular Alliance race by a VERY large margin, we also need a new capital of course. A glorious one, built on the ruins of Orgrimmar by orc slaves
#Team Tyrande
#NeverForgetTeldrassil
#DeathToTheTraitorKing
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They didn't install shit, Horde decided on their own that they don't want a third time where some crazy warmonger leads to a worldwide war. About damn time.
Not only that, but Anduin praised the enemy general, the one that lead Horde armies across Darkshore and allowed Sylvanas to burn Teldrassil, as a hero. This manages to accomplish two important goals - spit in the face of Night Elves and show that it was, once again, Horde who did all the important work in this war. The Alliance was kinda there - supposedly winning after Dazar'Alor, but then losing all their advantages off-screen and just barely having enough troops to help Saurfang.
Even further, the Alliance didn't win. Sylvanas completely destroyed Saurfang in Mak'gora, and only "defeated" herself by abandoning the Horde that was still largely loyal to her. This isn't a victory, it's enemy running away from a dominant position, for no reason.
The Alliance got one decisive victory in this expansion - sinking the Zandalari fleet, gaining the naval advantage... for couple weeks, until Azshara appearently sunk everything. Couldn't even keep that one, huh.
Edit: The one Alliance character that took active role in this war has nearly completely failed. Tyrande was empowered by her goddess and only managed to kill few common Horde soldiers - even sparing their commander. Then she failed to kill Nathanos and he easily accomplished his mission, successfully raising new Dark Rangers. So yeah, even when "losing", the Horde succeeds in their goals. Just like at the Undercity.
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I feel its safe to save the Horde came out rather good from the war overall.
Atm our allied races are more powerful (certainly econonically) three full kingdoms and only one group of exiles. To the allainces 2 kingoms, one group of exiles and (all be it formidable ) wandering band of soilders (Is it confirmed all the Army of Light joined the allaince? Since like the light dreadlord is missing). That said based on the next group of allied races this will become more balanced.
Territory wise the Horde have gained a strongfoot hold on two continents in the Broken Isle and Zandarar while the Alliance got Kul Tiras.
So even if the Horde is currently army wise weaker (Which may not to be true seeing how they beat Slyvannas without much of a fight and annexed most of her forces). i think overall they have a larger territory to exploit and more trade to fund rebulding efforts so will recover faster.
I completely see why Allaince players may feel like nothing really came from thier second time with an army at the gates of Orgrimmar.
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