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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Failure to convict is what will backfire for Dems catapulting Trump into another 4 years. He'll just run on that fact alone, that this was a witch hunt and he is vindicated.
    Stop trying to make "impeachment (removal) failing will make 2020 a sure bet for trump" happen. It's not going to happen.
    And also. 52% of americans want the removal of your god emperor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Apparently they're expecting the trial to be done in 2019 too.



    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-senate-048599
    I cant see how. I feel that Pelosi will drag this until the end of the year, in order to leave him out for the first 4-5 months of 2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Failure to convict is what will backfire for Dems catapulting Trump into another 4 years. He'll just run on that fact alone, that this was a witch hunt and he is vindicated.
    Still waiting for proof of this. Especially since most of the country wants him impeached.

    You cultists are delusional.

    If this is the case, shouldn’t trump welcome the impeachment instead of (illegally) not complying with the investigation? You can’t have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Still waiting for proof of this. Especially since most of the country wants him impeached.

    You cultists are delusional.

    If this is the case, shouldn’t trump welcome the impeachment instead of (illegally) not complying with the investigation? You can’t have it both ways.
    I AM TOTALLY INNOCENT AND THIS IS A WITCH HUNT!

    And to prove it I'll obstruct and stonewall at every turn, which is exactly what innocent people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I AM TOTALLY INNOCENT AND THIS IS A WITCH HUNT!

    And to prove it I'll obstruct and stonewall at every turn, which is exactly what innocent people do.
    Trumpistas:

    A) Trump is innocent, so he should let the facts speak for themselves.
    B) this is a witchhunt, so he has to stonewall as much as possible.

    Choose one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    Why is Pelosi scared to vote for an official inquiry?
    She isn't. She doesn't fucking have to. Why do we have to keep explaining it to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    I know this is going to shock you, but I'm pretty sure not all Trump supporters are racists. Again, the fact that you think that shows how brainwashed you are to the left's "all Trump supporters are racists/sexists/homophobes/xenophobes" shtick.
    Yeah, they pretty much are. If they support Trump with all of the racist things he has said, then yeah, they are just as racist as he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Failure to convict is what will backfire for Dems catapulting Trump into another 4 years. He'll just run on that fact alone, that this was a witch hunt and he is vindicated.
    It is funny that you think he is going to get some sort of massive uptick in favorability after the Republicans in the senate show how much they lack spines. He is saying it is a witch hunt now, and 52% of the country wants him impeached AND removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Apparently they're expecting the trial to be done in 2019 too.
    Have to wonder...why the rush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Have to wonder...why the rush?
    I think both sides probably want it out of the way well before the election

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    I know this is going to shock you, but I'm pretty sure not all Trump supporters are racists. Again, the fact that you think that shows how brainwashed you are to the left's "all Trump supporters are racists/sexists/homophobes/xenophobes" shtick.
    Trump supporters are either racist, sexist xenophobes OR they are perfectly ok with one being POTUS.

    Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Failure to convict is what will backfire for Dems catapulting Trump into another 4 years. He'll just run on that fact alone, that this was a witch hunt and he is vindicated.
    Bullshit.

    Failure to convict will be an indictment of the Republican political machine, or better known as SwampThing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waniou View Post
    I think both sides probably want it out of the way well before the election
    I'm sure the republicans want that, but I see no reason why the democrats would want the situation to be resolved quickly.

    Dragging it as close to the election to keep Trump spinning a narrative of "I totes didn't do anything!" instead of his usual blather about evil immigrants coming to rape people while requiring him to be constantly couched in hearings would be as devastating to his campaign as the colossal amount of bad press he's receiving simply having the impeachment proceedings in the news. Especially considering the nigh-weekly reveals of some other member of the white house staff or Trump's posse coming up as crooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waniou View Post
    I think both sides probably want it out of the way well before the election
    Kinda got that...um...but I'm feeling the "bum's rush" here. Essentially so Moscow Mitch can summarily zoom through the whole thing just to get it over with, thinking that Trump can endure the scrutiny, weather it out for the election.
    Also, move it along fast enough before more info comes to light and before Trump spouts too much shit in his panties that even his own zealots will react with disgust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waniou View Post
    I think both sides probably want it out of the way well before the election
    Senate Republicans are preparing for a speedy impeachment trial that concludes before the end of the year.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Senate Republicans on Wednesday that he expects Speaker Nancy Pelosi to approve articles of impeachment as early as Thanksgiving, according to five people familiar with Wednesday’s party lunch. McConnell then surmised that the Senate could deal with the trial by Christmas, concluding the impeachment proceedings before the Democratic presidential primaries begin.
    It seems as though McConnel wants it over with quickly. Though Schumer had this to say:

    Schumer said he’d had “zero” discussions with McConnell about the matter.“I'm not urging him to do it immediately,” Schumer told reporters on Wednesday, calling for “a fair and bipartisan way and I hope that Leader McConnell would obey those strictures."
    McConnel also told senators they couldn't speak during the trial .. only people that would be able to are the chief justice of the supreme court, the president's defenders and house managers.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-senate-048599

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    I know this is going to shock you, but I'm pretty sure not all Trump supporters are racists. Again, the fact that you think that shows how brainwashed you are to the left's "all Trump supporters are racists/sexists/homophobes/xenophobes" shtick.
    They clearly have no problem supporting a fascist and a racist... maybe they should stop supporting him.

    Just a thought.

    I'm still waiting on that evidence.

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    Schiff says impeachment inquiry interviews and statements will be public "eventually".

    "Not good enough! We should have the info now!"

    Okay. So, Trump should stop blocking testimony, give us the original transcript of the phone call, and reveal his taxes?

    "Uh..."

    Yeah. Sorry. I don't make the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Subject to interpretation of the law as it stands via Chief Justice Roberts.
    Yeah - all this is new ground for the law. Roberts and his court will be writing the rule book if it comes to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Failure to convict is what will backfire for Dems catapulting Trump into another 4 years. He'll just run on that fact alone, that this was a witch hunt and he is vindicated.
    Not at all - uncertainly lies in both directions. We know the rabid frothing and mostly-insane fan-base will vote for him. This election will be about the people who voted for him but are questioning that choice now that Cheeto has fucked up everything he's touched. Those are the voters who will decide if "failed to convict" means anything when their farms are bankrupted and they see their taxes go up (again).

    But "witch hunt" only works the aforementioned fan base. They swallow everything he says. They redefine chugging the kool-aid, eyes closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanknasty View Post
    I know this is going to shock you, but I'm pretty sure not all Trump supporters are racists. Again, the fact that you think that shows how brainwashed you are to the left's "all Trump supporters are racists/sexists/homophobes/xenophobes" shtick.
    I know this is going to shock you, but Trump is a racist. Supporting a racist makes one a racist. Again, the fact that you think otherwise shows how brainwashed you are to the basic logical facts slapping you in the face each and every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Yeah, they pretty much are. If they support Trump with all of the racist things he has said, then yeah, they are just as racist as he is.
    Wish I could agree with this, but simply not true. Many of them aren't actually racist, they are just MASSIVELY uninformed and are to the point they have drank so much of the Fox/Republican Koolaid that they only believe sources that tell them what they want to hear. The rest, they all believe is fake.

    They are a cult at this point. Many of them don't believe he is racist because they don't actually believe he said the stuff and even if he did, he didn't intend it that way. Just like they believe his claim to fame on the economy, jobs, the debt and all because they believe they were all going to hell under Obama because that is what their cult leaders told them.

    When the Republicans are out of power, they need to make gerrymandering illegal, go for the Wyoming option for apportionment, admit Puerto Rico and DC as states and mandate that all shows that claim to be news or even pretend to be must be honest and give equal air time to all sides of an issue.

    Once you get that out of the way, they can't delude themselves near as much. But as long as we have them following the Fox "News" Tabloids for their information, they will continue to sell out their futures along with that of their nation and their children while thinking they are helping because their leaders are telling them they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Apparently they're expecting the trial to be done in 2019 too.

    Senate Republicans are preparing for a speedy impeachment trial that concludes before the end of the year.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Senate Republicans on Wednesday that he expects Speaker Nancy Pelosi to approve articles of impeachment as early as Thanksgiving, according to five people familiar with Wednesday’s party lunch. McConnell then surmised that the Senate could deal with the trial by Christmas, concluding the impeachment proceedings before the Democratic presidential primaries begin.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-senate-048599
    No way Pelosi gives them time to finish the trial before 2019. She'll deliver this wrapped in a neat bow right around mid-December. Roberts will be on vacation. That's 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Kinda got that...um...but I'm feeling the "bum's rush" here. Essentially so Moscow Mitch can summarily zoom through the whole thing just to get it over with, thinking that Trump can endure the scrutiny, weather it out for the election.
    Also, move it along fast enough before more info comes to light and before Trump spouts too much shit in his panties that even his own zealots will react with disgust.
    Thinking it over more, where is McConnell even getting the idea he'll control the pace of the trial. I think at this point it's fairly obvious that Moscow Mitch is playing both sides. The "done before 2019" is for the rabid frothing fan base, saying that while knowing he can't control the process/end; and the "will conduct a trial according to the rules of the Constitution" in case this whole thing goes sideways, and Trump get's bum rushed out on his ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Masses are swayed when someone tells them Who to hate on for their problems.
    Seems like Democrats learned from the best at manipulating the masses. The GOP spent 8+ years smearing Hillary as best they could, because they knew she'd be the 2016 candidate. People seem to forget, but Benghazi and HER EMAAAAAAAILS weren't the only two scandal nontroversies. They were just the biggest. Hillary had so much shit flung at her from the GOP and they hoped some of it would stick.

    Seems the right hates it when their own tactics are used against them.

    But then again, that's all just assuming Trump did nothing wrong, like Hillary. The fact is, he's a massive criminal, and each and every one of you shitposters know what's going to happen to an impeachment vote unless they nail Trump to the wall with crimes. The only way the Senate is going to vote to impeach is if acquiring Trump will make them look like co conspirators and complicit in criminal activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubious_doomhammer View Post
    McConnel also told senators they couldn't speak during the trial .. only people that would be able to are the chief justice of the supreme court, the president's defenders and house managers.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-senate-048599
    That is fascinating. If this goes to trial, and it looks like there is every indication it will, I'm going to be watching as much as possible. Even the minutiae of who can and can't speak on the floor during the trial is interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    I mean its right in the article you posted

    "There's no requirement that we have a vote, and at this time, we will not have a vote," Pelosi told reporters Tuesday evening.

    oh the irony of your post.....
    You're asking @zenkai to read his sources, something he infamously does not do. And if he does, he likes to cherry pick and ignore pertinent information because he assumes nobody will read his sources and call him out on his BS.
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    Apparently Sondland initiated a meeting with Ukranian officials in the WH directly after Bolton killed another meeting... To initially set up the quid pro quo.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...about-n1067861

    WASHINGTON — Lawmakers plan to grill Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland on Thursday about a private discussion he had with top Ukrainian officials in the White House in which he explicitly mentioned the Ukrainian gas company linked to Hunter Biden, amid negotiations over granting Ukraine’s new president an audience with President Donald Trump, NBC News has learned.

    Sondland’s meeting with the Ukrainians just steps away from the White House Situation Room came minutes after a larger West Wing meeting that included then-National Security Adviser John Bolton, who had been noncommittal about scheduling a meeting between Trump and new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. Sondland directly contradicted Bolton by telling the Ukrainians that in fact, Trump was committed to meeting with Zelenskiy on the condition he open a corruption investigation, two people told about the matter tell NBC News.

    Bolton abruptly ended the meeting.

    But, the individuals say, Sondland then invited the Ukrainian officials to continue the conversation separately, escorting them to a private room in the White House basement, the individuals said. That’s when Sondland was overheard discussing Burisma Holdings, whose board of directors former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden joined in 2014.

    Sondland’s explicit conditioning of a meeting between Zelenskiy and Trump prompted Bolton to direct then-Trump Russia adviser Fiona Hill to report the situation to White House lawyers. Although some details about the meeting had been previously disclosed, this account provides the most extensive chronology to date of the chain of events that led Bolton to call the shadow Ukraine policy aimed at advancing Trump’s political interests “a drug deal,” as NBC News has reported.

    The account also appears to undercut Sondland’s text message to a senior U.S. official in Ukraine on Sept. 9 that Trump “has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's (sic) of any kind” with the Ukrainian government. The fact that Hunter Biden had joined Burisma’s board had been widely reported for years and discussed publicly by Trump personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani. But Sondland plans to tell Congress he was unaware of Hunter Biden’s ties to the company at the time, a person with knowledge of his testimony says, an assertion that lawmakers are expected to treat with extreme skepticism.

    Bolton had no comment. The White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Hill, through her attorney Lee Wolosky, declined to comment.

    Sondland declined to comment.

    But in his testimony on Thursday, Sondland plans to say he kept Hill updated on all his activity on Ukraine through extensive emails that the State Department has refused to give to Congress, a person familiar with Sondland’s testimony tells NBC News. He plans to say he’s “frustrated” that the State Department won’t produce the documents because he says they corroborate the testimony he plans to give, the person said.

    The initial July 10 meeting in the West Wing included senior Zelenskiy adviser Andrey Yermak and Oleksandr Danyluk, who was the incoming Ukrainian national security secretary. Bolton, Sondland, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Hill and former Ukraine envoy Kurt Volker also attended.

    In the meeting, Bolton told the Ukrainian officials that the White House didn’t want to commit to a meeting ahead of parliamentary elections in Ukraine scheduled for the following month, because it was unclear whether Zelenskiy would have a governing majority, the individuals familiar with the situation said.

    But Sondland interjected, the individuals said, saying he already had a commitment for Trump to meet with Zelenskiy — if the new Ukrainian president would launch the investigation Trump had been seeking.

    As Bolton ended the meeting, Sondland suggested they relocate to “discuss next steps,” bringing the visiting Ukrainians to the Ward Room, in the White House basement, the two individuals said.

    Bolton pulled aside Hill, the Europe expert, and asked her to follow them into the meeting to learn what they were discussing, the individuals said.

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