[Possible spoilers] Death Knights & Demon Hunters and 9.0

[Echoherb]

Death Knights I can see happening but Demon hunters I dont see the point in training anymore honestly. They was trained for the sole purpose of defeating the burning legion

Because they have skillsets that would useful for taking on other threats.

[Kellorion]

Demon Hunters could have recruited Nightborne and Void Elfs, and Draenei and Orcs make sense.

Death Knight, the Ebon Blade has been active sense the fall of Arthas including going to alt draenor, and blovar King was doing a lot during the legion for war, so all make sense. well maybe not Lightforged DKs.

[Muajin76]

hmm..weren't people saying the spoilers with Organus being added in 9.0?
apparently grand cross is finally being being added to paladins. *anyone know what spec is getting it?*

[Malikath]

It makes no sense to train new DHs. If this happen it will another kick to the lore.

I think that portals are n zoth fight relates. Somethin like yogg saron brain room

actually there is still an entire empire of demons that conquered 99% of the known universe out there, and they've operated without leadership before.

but, i agree with your guess as to what they are.

[Syegfryed]

They're not bound to orcs or humans though. The most cliche and boring races in Warcraft since day 1.

elves are the most cliche and boring races ever since the fantasy franchise have come to exist ayy lmao

[kaintk]

gnome demon hunter

oh yeahh !

im waiting for draenei warlock for years... by the way

yeah i know, lore is broken here, but i want them :P OH THE MURLOC TOO !

[alt-ithist]

You mean priests and paladins for the war versus void?

Paladins were created to fight the orcish horde, guess they should’ve retired as well a longtime ago.

[Syegfryed]

Paladins were created to fight the orcish horde, guess they should’ve retired as well a longtime ago.

but the orcs could come back, and there was other threads in the world

demons or the legion will never comeback and there are no more threads in the world /s

[Eazy]

Paladins were created to fight the orcish horde, guess they should’ve retired as well a longtime ago.

I don't get this comment.

Characters who use holiness as their weapon should've got bonus damage vs void. Not sure why are you mentioning their fight with the horde...

[Chonar]

There's literally a demon rare in Zuldazar that Tehd & Marius fight. Blizzard puts that shit in for a reason. It's to remind us that just because the Legion as an organised "legion" is defeated doesnt mean demons are gone alltogether and the threat of demons and demonic corruption is gone for good.
The hunt goes on.

[Kellorion]

I don't get this comment.

Characters who use holiness as their weapon should've got bonus damage vs void. Not sure why are you mentioning their fight with the horde...

Because human and dwarf paladin orders were created to fight the orcs?

[Eazy]

Because human and dwarf paladin orders were created to fight the orcs?

And? What does it gives? What are we discussing about?

[Obelisk Kai]

On the topic of what new races could be Demon Hunters...that is tricky.

Unlike the Death Knights, there is no tradition that they should be open to as many races as possible. Blizzard limited the class to Blood Elves and Night Elves alone when they were introduced, partly for lore reasons and partly because the demon models, which are race unique, took some time to craft and were resource intensive.

With it being almost certain that the Death Knights are going to get new options, Blizzard have to anticipate that the Demon Hunter community would begin agitating for a similar treatment. After all, the lore has been cited as the greatest obstacle to new Demon Hunters. If Pandaren and the Allied races are getting a new scenario that allows them to become DKs, DHs will justifiably argue that they are deserving of more options too. I think they will get those new options, but a lot fewer than the Death Knights will have.

The obvious choices are Void Elf and Nightborne Demon Hunters. These would likely require little more than a palette swap on their demon forms, so it could be attractive from a cost point of view but that is also a negative in that the new options would be seen as cheapskate palette swaps. Furthermore, there is a question of lore. Can a being such as a Void Elf, who is defined by their connection to the void, really bond with a demon? The two powers may conflict. While Void Elves and Nightborne are the obvious choices, they aren't certain either in other words.

If Blizzard wanted to be more adventurous for the Demon Hunters, I would suggest Orc and Humans as the next races to join the Illidari. Both are popular within their respective factions, both would believably be able to undergo the process of bonding with a demon without hang ups and both would offer interesting, visually distinct Demon Forms.

[Aleksej89]

Pandaren demon hunters......... jesus please no!

Hopefully it wont be a lame ass explanation of how all these new race/class combos came to be.

[Obelisk Kai]

There's literally a demon rare in Zuldazar that Tehd & Marius fight. Blizzard puts that shit in for a reason. It's to remind us that just because the Legion as an organised "legion" is defeated doesnt mean demons are gone alltogether and the threat of demons and demonic corruption is gone for good.
The hunt goes on.

Indeed. Destroying the Burning Legion is still one of our biggest accomplishments as players as we took out one of the biggest enemy factions in the game. However, the Demons themselves are not gone.

I believe the working theory, and it is so plausible it is probably safe to assume that this is true, is that without Sargeras and the high command of the Legion the organisation instantly fractured with every Demon out for themselves. The more powerful Demons likely carved out their own fiefs are probably waging war against each other in order to claim the whole thing, but as it will prove impossible for one Demon to do what a Titan did, what will happen instead is that multiple smaller armies will emerge, each headed by a Demon Lord.

And they will do what Demons do, that is, invade other worlds and inflict general misery, but they will do so without the overarching unity of the Legion. And they will likely spend as much time fighting each other as tangling with mortals.

[Tiradon]

Indeed. Destroying the Burning Legion is still one of our biggest accomplishments as players as we took out one of the biggest enemy factions in the game. However, the Demons themselves are not gone.

I believe the working theory, and it is so plausible it is probably safe to assume that this is true, is that without Sargeras and the high command of the Legion the organisation instantly fractured with every Demon out for themselves. The more powerful Demons likely carved out their own fiefs are probably waging war against each other in order to claim the whole thing, but as it will prove impossible for one Demon to do what a Titan did, what will happen instead is that multiple smaller armies will emerge, each headed by a Demon Lord.

And they will do what Demons do, that is, invade other worlds and inflict general misery, but they will do so without the overarching unity of the Legion. And they will likely spend as much time fighting each other as tangling with mortals.

Makes absolute sense what you said...

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Indeed. Destroying the Burning Legion is still one of our biggest accomplishments as players as we took out one of the biggest enemy factions in the game. However, the Demons themselves are not gone.

I believe the working theory, and it is so plausible it is probably safe to assume that this is true, is that without Sargeras and the high command of the Legion the organisation instantly fractured with every Demon out for themselves. The more powerful Demons likely carved out their own fiefs are probably waging war against each other in order to claim the whole thing, but as it will prove impossible for one Demon to do what a Titan did, what will happen instead is that multiple smaller armies will emerge, each headed by a Demon Lord.

And they will do what Demons do, that is, invade other worlds and inflict general misery, but they will do so without the overarching unity of the Legion. And they will likely spend as much time fighting each other as tangling with mortals.

Makes absolute sense what you said...

[Nebron]

Warcraft story has always been childish and cheesey. Not sure why you think it went from award winning writing to cheesey fantasy fiction, which it always has been. Just because you don't like where they went with their story doesnt mean it's any less quality than it always has been.

Obviously it was never an award winning story writing, but the drop of quality since Warlords of Draenor is massive, and I can't hardly see it being arguable. They went from a simple, consistent, and fulfilling storytelling to a massive, wide and incoherent one. They created a structure for the story which you can't observe with Garrosh being the link between Mists and Draenor. Then Gul'dan, from WoD to Legion and now Azshara/Sylvanas serving the same purpose. And as far as this concept could be great, it makes the game's story much more predictable.

By the way, the twists are not the outcome of reaveling the truth behind the hints, it's more of a random plot that has been inserted into the story that would make sense, so that players won't feel any difference. There are at least 2 such events happening now in WoW:

- whispers of Vol'jin were most probably just a figure of speech; the guys who wrote these dialogs just put the Loa in here, since Vol'jin was a troll - the Blizzard realized that players got interested by this single line so they created a campaign in which you explore what happened. And see what happens - we get to talk with ABSOLUTELY random guys - Lich King, Eyir, and the only one who makes sense there - Bwonsamdi. Doesn't it feel like it's a story written in a rush? There's no real campaign, nothing of some kind of ritual. You simply go with he's spirit from guy to guy.
Blizzard simply realized that that "whisper" thing is a great pathway to put WHATEVER they want so that it makes sense and can be a link between expansions - it could be N'zoth and people would say it's great idea. It couldbe Mueh'zala, and people would say it's a great idea. It could even be the Lich King, and yet, people still would say it's a great idea. And that's how Blizzard works. They leave some doors open and put ANYTHING that would have at least some sense with the story the come up with. And by the way, it's the cheapest way to write "twists". It doesn't soound like something planned out in advance, it's just a doorway they left open, so that they can put there anything they want.

- Il'gynoth whispers - people got absolutely excited about the second wave of these, yet we have no clue what some of the first ones meant. These are vague and can literally mean ANYTHING really. Especially, i love the one with Circle of Stars - people got truly excited about it being a place we fight Azshara. But guess what - they came up with that line in Legion, and realized, that they will use this as a name for the place we fight Azshara, so that people will think it was planned from the very beginning. Somehow people get really enthusiastic about such things, while it's just more of: "okay bro, do you remember the line of Circle of Stars? - yeah. - so maybe we will name that place like that, so people will think it's a genious twist? - yeah, that's huge bro".

That's pretty much how the process of creating these stories looks like.

[blahdiblah]

In addition to this, the whole "it will -be- another kick to the lore" argument is stupid. Should the lore not grow and evolve?

ofcourse it should "grow and evolve" (what a term..) but it should be done in a meaningful way and not just because someone thought 'hey lets do this that would be really cool' with zero regard for what has already happened and whats going to happen. otherwise you end up with a mess like what we saw in GOT where everything stopped making sense.

[Tarba]

New demon hunter makes no sense. The legion is not a threat anymore. And they are made specifically to hunt them. The ratio risk-price to pay / utility is really not interesting.

New dk... why not. But I don't see why they should join the horde or the alliance. They should only be servant of the lich king. Or wanting revenge against him for raising them. But yeah, blizzard allready destroyed the forsaken lore. So new free du happy about it wouldn't be a surprise...

So in both case implementing them would just get rid of a bit more of lore. Undeath and necromancy is not a joke, infusing yourself with demonic power is not a joke. Both should be looked down as threat and monstruosity. Servant of self interest or servant of the lich king.

But heh. Blizzard don't give a shit about the lore and what was established, just to please people who don't either.

[Valysar]

Nightbornes and Void Elves can easily be DH (because they have the same skeletons as N/B Elves)