In FPTP you'd get the leave vote split and the remain vote unified, leading to a remain vote.
But in something like Alternative Vote, you could have all 3 options listed, and when one of the leave votes loses, then have second preferences come in and (maybe) result in a leave victory.
To imply that the way you vote has nothing to do with a vote is silly. That's like saying the kind of car I use has nothing to do with me getting from point a to point b
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Your stubbornness and plain stupidity is pushing your country into a corner you don't need to be in. The current deal pushed the UK minus NI into a potential deregulated shithole, and doomed NI to eternal EU submission. It also makes it very hard for the UK to make any trade deal without aligning to EU regulations.
By all metrics May's deal was better unless you own an investment fund in the UK and short the GBP.
Oh Nigel... you....
'So an unelected, retiring bureaucrat says: No extension, take this new treaty or just leave.
He is overriding the Benn Act. The EU shows itself to be a thuggocracy - power without accountability.
Appalling people.'
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/sta...34973662175234
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Hmm,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-zsPRhcwc
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If true...
'Senior Labour source suggests to me that the party’s National Executive Committee will bar any Labour MP who votes for Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal from standing again, if the Whip isn’t withdrawn first'
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...35854814437376
...Saturday could be brutal!
I don't know about you, but even if those Labour MPs vote for the deal, I still can't see how it will possibly pass. The ex-Tories won't vote for it. All the opposition parties will vote against. The DUP have said they will vote against. By my count Boris would need about 30 Labour to vote with him, and that's assuming that this harder version of May's deal doesn't push any more of his own party to vote against it.
It's dead in the water before it starts, and the only interesting thing will be the numbers for a second referendum (assuming somebody puts an amendment up to trigger a vote).
Then Boris needs to ask for an extension, and if he doesn't it's back to the High Court on Monday. Where he is batting pretty much zero, last time I looked.
And all this is assuming that the deal isn't ruled illegal under a law pushed through by Reet-Smug. You couldn't make it up!
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
Because it could be the end of the Brexit party and Farage's political career if Boris gets his brexit through. It is only extremist remainers and their equivalent brexiteers who can possibly be against this deal.
Many probably haven't seen tomorrows UK front pages but almost across the board they universally read similar to this...
GET REAL…TAKE THE DEAL! The Sun urges every MP to back Boris Johnson’s deal on Saturday and get Brexit done
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...t-brexit-done/
Nice write up/graphic in there as to why Boris's deal is worlds apart from Theresa's too.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
A wonderful improvement over May's deal. And all the UK had to do was give up Northern Ireland to the EU.
Note that Northern Ireland can't leave the EU customs union without violating the Good Friday Agreement, the 'vote' will be completely meaningless so long as no solution for the Irish border is found, which probably doesn't exist if the UK moves away from the EU's regulations.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
I gotta say, I have absolutely no idea what the fuck is happening.
May deal is bad, Boris deal is worse, no deal Brexit is the worst.
Therefore pro-Remain are going to vote against Boris deal under some grand delusion that they are going to magically get an entirely new deal and then have a referendum in less than a week... what in the fuck are they doing?
The DUP have flip flopped on whether they like Boris on almost a daily basis, the ERG have decided that this deal is fine and they are going to vote for it despite previously saying they would reject anything opposed by the DUP, Farage is sat on his fat arse demanding that this isn't a proper Brexit because any and every reference to the EU or Europe in general is entirely deleted from British consciousness.
Even in the mad timeline we seem to be living in today seems to stand out as being completely bizarre.
Populists need an enemy to work their fear campaign on. Nigel will always, under any circumstances, blame the EU for virutally everything. It's the only platform he has. If you faceplants himself against a lamppost in some random English village tomorrow, he will blame the EU for it.
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Bizarre is not strong enough a word to describe what is happening. Part of me thinks 4chan is running England by now...
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I'm taking all this as a good sign. The fact that the ERG are prepared to vote for something that they specifically legislated to make illegal last year suggests to me that they realise they are on the brink of losing and are desparate. We just need to hold our nerve, vote this deal down and force the issue. Worst case scenario, we get a second referendum. Best case scenario is revocation of Article 50.
Like the rest of them dribbles knows that the writing is on the wall; hence his spastic cheerleading on here for the last couple of days. Thrashing around throwing insults and crowing about in all directions with no identifiable sense of purpose. This is the last hurrah before his dream dies, and you can bet he knows it.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
Well, at least the EU got exactly what they wanted. No red line was crossed.
For the Brits on the other hand...
Maybe a good training for trade negotiations to come.