I don't like it because it reeks of Golden's influence. It's well known she's a massive Alliance fan girl and the Horde is slowly becoming the Alliance but in red. And I hate it so much.
People are really possitive if they think that holy Alliance priest as leader of Forsaken is progress rather than just very stupid idea....
Actually... Thank to light that i am not forsaken main.
This is what I've been trying to say.
The dialog we've seen so far seems to clearly show that the Forsaken are lost, bitter, and unhappy. Calia is not a part of the Forsaken, she doesn't understand them, and she's going to be trying to lead them. I don't feel like this is a plot point that is going to go overlooked because they've made a point to show us in the dialog so far that yes, they're aware Calia is not a fit for these people right now.
It's always worth pointing out though that this is Blizzard we're talking about. I feel like this is something they really want to bring attention to, but I don't have a huge amount of faith that we'll actually see a good story come out of it. But I'm not going to assume they're going to ignore this potentially interesting story point when they're making a point to draw attention to it. Blizzard wants people to have the reaction people are having, which tells me they plan to do something with it.
No, that is just plain wrong.
We've got all flavors of 'hurr durr misunderstood but noble & good' already. Every single fucking race is this one dimensional muhhonor-atone-for-previous-sins type of barf.
But no, mister @Trassk here wants another race ruined. Forsaken have always been about neutral evil. It's sad Blizzard now seems to cater to the likes of Trassk.
#notmyqueen
The bit about Voss's dad is overstated because people reacted to it on forums, it's not actually intentional any more than the hysteria about Derek's knife. It's a presentation vs intent issue - it's meant to show us that Calia remembers when even someone like Voss's dad was a good dude, that's why Voss reacts positively to it and why the night elves she has 0 connection with react positive to her. The final quest text is the PC narration being impressed with how Calia is handling things. The aim is to show that Calia sympathizes and can save all these contemptible sadsacks because she sees the best in everyone, not that she's out of touch.
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Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
I don't know why you made this threat.
If i know one thing about MMO-Champion Forums it is that they are afraid of change and at the same time hat it when things stay the same.
That is why they hate on EVERY lore development whatsover.
War? Horde always wants war why?
No war? Why does Horde become alliance 2.0
Undead evil. Why do we have to be so evil.
Undead okish? reeeeee Alliance be gone...
Blizzard can't do right for some. Despite NO ONE noing what is going to happen.
Also: Sylvanas never acted out of character. She always was this way.
On topic: I see Calia a kind of sponsor in an AA meeting an Sylvanas as the Drug the forsaken try to get away from.
Calia will do her best to help. But will not be accepted right away. But it will make good things with the undead. Because they are basically a blight on every land they set foot on right now. Destroying the environment killing every wildlife and playing with the freaking plague.
Dead does not mean evil an i hope the can show that now. And the forsaken are not evil. If they could never stay in teh horde
It's not that there is no war that is upsetting people. It's the fact that many of the racial leaders have essentially become Alliance lapdogs, especially with Baine. With all of the story in BfA, the Horde members have a choice of either bowing to the Alliance or being a Sylvanas loyalist. The Horde is completely losing its identity as a faction because they are more and more just appearing to be an extension of the Alliance rather than a separate faction.
I don't see it that way. Sylvanas has her own plan for what she wants to do. Horde leaders finally see it but don't have the means to do something alone. Incomes their friend die alliance.
Baine and Anduin are friends. But that is it. The alliance has no infuence over the horde. Just because Baine does not outright kill anduin like maybe Grommash would have does not mean he is a lapdog.
And maybe both faction going into each other is not a bad thing. Horde identity was always about war. Death in Battle an bullshit. No one ever had anything good coming out of it. There was never a real horde identity. Just a bunch of misfits trying there best to live under an absolute ruler.
Now you have a bunch of misfits, not trying to kill everything in sight, under a council. I cant see how they lost anything.
If anythign alliance is becoming more horde like with angry faction leaders hellbend on killing Slyvanas... for good reason but thats another topic
I guess sub numbers will show Blizzard how 'good' their new lore-writers are. The more people will play Classic instead of retail or unsub, the better. I see Blizzard doesn't understand anything except of 'wallet voting', as WoD/Legion showed. Only when they saw how miserable their sub numbers became during the worst expansion ever, did they take any action to make next expansion decent. They even hurried with announcement because situation got critical for them. I hope this will repeat with BfA and all this Golden's Alliance-loving BS lore. I don't see any other option for us to get rid of her forever.
Oh I am sure all the people who whine about the changes and pray for Sylvanas to come back and safe them will have unsubbed already. I am absolutely certain the Horde playerbase will shrink substantially, probably by about 0,000000000001%.
But luckily, if you cannot accept that the game is evolving after a 15 year run and feel your identity is destroyed, just go ahead and play Classic, enjoy the infinite stagnation that it presents. No chance pesky change finds you there. We will be happy to profit from your subs in the real game
I remember the chorus of people like you back in WoD times, who were singing how everything is awesome and amazing in WoD and everyone else is just retarded nostalgia-addicted morons. We saw what came of that. Present situation is exactly the same.
Yes, I play Classic and I enjoy it a lot, although graphically game is outdated, it feels alive and challenging, I love to read quest text, to re-live that story. I didn't feel that way in retail for years.
And no, profits from Classic won't go to retail department, this is not how big corporations work if you didn't know it. Retail will keep rotting in their Alliance-colored unifaction smell, and will keep losing subscribers, if no changes are made to the lore-writing team. We'll see that I was right in a year or even less.
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Horde leaders don't want to gut Alliance babies = Alliance lapdogs.
Alliance gets exactly one win, gaining naval superiority then immediately loses it = overwhelming victory
Danuser and Afrasiabi are Golden's bosses and clearly setting the direction = Golden is single-handedly turning the Horde into Alliance slaves
Man, you learn every day here just how much some people take hating an imaginary faction WAY too far.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
Problem is, how do you go with a race who is borderline evil? They have been that for years and years, to the point where both factions have basically turned on the Forsaken. If we're being honest, there is no right answer, forsaken should've never been a playable race to begin with given their dramatic clashes with themes like hope, life, peace, growth, honor, etc. that all the other races in Warcraft lore are based on.
The actual apothecaries didn't get nuked with the city though did they and they continue their work after the battle. If you speak to the apothecaries in the battle for darkshore they remark how foolish the alliance were to think they could stop their research there when the blight is made up of natures most deadly toxins.
Those whispers point to things getting really bad for the forsaken.....Calia's resurrection was the catalyst that deal the light made with death. I see Calia's rule being that of a mask, from the outside perspective it will look like Calia is helping the forsaken but in actually we are seeing some kind of twisted washing or conversion of the undead to serve that deal that was made. I'm probably wrong but my gut tells me things are going to get much worst.