Cartel Declares all out War after release of El Chapo's Son [NSFW]

[GreenJesus]

Whatever you produce, you need to have a licence for. If you're doing illegal shit you cannot get one. Ergo you're driven out of business. I mean you could even still have a ban on producing drugs and monopolize it as the state. The state now only has to produce at acceptable prices so that cartels cannot undercut them.

And at the end of the day, if the cartel turns into a legal business without all the murder and terror stuff anymore, we kinda won, didn't we?

They will threaten the businesses that do it legally and say "stop it or we will kill your family". That is how they operate. Or they will use dumby accounts to create "fake" legal businesses as a front to sell their illegal drugs.. or sell them to the "legal" businesses as a middle man. And the middle man is protected by the assumption of legality.

[Themius]

This is why so many people flee from Mexico to United States. Instead of building a wall, maybe we should send some help?

It really isn't "so many" actually for quite a while we had negative growth with Mexico since a lot of people end up going back. Right now it is coming from the triangle due to essentially two things. Climate change causing starvation and violence by gangs bred in America.

[Mormolyce]

They would just target legal fronts...

What are you talking about?

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These people love violence though and would not stop doing what they do. They are sadistic with no emotions, emphaty etc they need to die. Drugs or no drugs they would not stop doing what they do.

Same for all the gangs in south and central america too they just love all the violence.

The viability of the drug trade due to America's hypocrisy on the issue creates the opportunity for petty criminals to become brutal warlords, and then the cruelty is how they maintain control of their fiefdoms.

No, it's not because they're just evil for no reason. What do you think this is, a Saturday morning cartoon from the 80s? You take the drug trade out of their hands and their reason for existing vanishes.

[Vash The Stampede]

It really isn't "so many" actually for quite a while we had negative growth with Mexico since a lot of people end up going back. Right now it is coming from the triangle due to essentially two things. Climate change causing starvation and violence by gangs bred in America.

Gangs in America and climate change? Where is evidence of this? Not that I doubt gangs in America, but climate change is effecting food?

[Themius]

Gangs in America and climate change? Where is evidence of this? Not that I doubt gangs in America, but climate change is effecting food?

https://www.wfp.org/countries/guatemala

https://www.usaid.gov/guatemala/food-assistance

Consecutive years of drought in Central America’s Dry Corridor—a region that encompasses a large portion of southern Guatemala—have resulted in poor harvests, lost labor opportunities and reduced household incomes, making it more difficult for vulnerable families to access enough nutritious food.
Due to below-average agricultural production during the 2018 harvest season, poor Dry Corridor households have begun to rely on markets to purchase food months earlier than usual, according to the Famine Early Warning Systems Network (FEWS NET). As a result, food-insecure households are increasingly employing negative coping strategies, such as using savings or selling assets, to meet their food needs, FEWS NET reports.
As a result, populations in the Dry Corridor will likely face Stressed (IPC 2) and Crisis (IPC 3) levels of acute food insecurity through at least September 2019, according to FEWS NET.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...drought-famine

It is quite bad.

“Over the past six years, the lack of rainfall has been our biggest problem, causing crops to fail and widespread famine,” said the climate scientist Edwin Castellanos, the dean of the research institute at Guatemala’s Universidad del Valle.

The current run of hot, dry years follows a decade or so of unusually prolonged rains and flooding due to the other phase of the cycle known as La Niña, caused by colder Pacific waters.


“Normal, predictable weather years are getting rarer,” added Castellanos.

On the ground, the impact has been devastating. In 2018, drought-related crop failures directly affected one in 10 Guatemalans, and caused extreme food shortages for almost 840,000 people, according to the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO).

As a result, entire families have been migrating in record numbers: since October 2018, more than 167,000 Guatemalans travelling in family groups have been apprehended at the US border, compared with 23,000 in 2016.

[kasuke06]

This is why so many people flee from Mexico to United States. Instead of building a wall, maybe we should send some help?

We do that and it's an invasion. Which would somehow provoke even more international hatemail than doing this weird shit called "enforcing our laws"

[StayTuned]

They will threaten the businesses that do it legally and say "stop it or we will kill your family". That is how they operate. Or they will use dumby accounts to create "fake" legal businesses as a front to sell their illegal drugs.. or sell them to the "legal" businesses as a middle man. And the middle man is protected by the assumption of legality.

They won't really. Do you think all legal weed stores are currently under threat from the cartel?

If the cartels could operate legally, they would lose some of that necessary aggression that comes from the fact that what they're doing is illegal.

People who have seen your face? Dead because you can't have witnesses.
People who stop your goods at the customs? Dead because they refused to take your bribe.

Allow them to operate legally and they can go through customs, pay taxes, conduct business without fearing repercussions.


But that's just one method, and not even anything I would fancy myself. I think even "legalized" cartels would remain terrorists because they'd try to drive out their competition through physical aggression.


I think a better solution is production and sales entirely through the state. You need to cut off their money supply and have customers go to clean solutions for weed, cocaine and ecstasy. Maybe even build out on that portfolio and couple it all with drug prevention programs, drug education, and rehab programs to get people off of drugs altogether.

But the war on drugs has failed massively. Cartels are just getting stronger by the day.​

[Easo]

So people want the Mexican goverment to start producing coke and meth legally to fight cartels?
Jesus christ...

[Saucexorzski]

You are literally advocating slaughtering innocents and children since that was already their reaction.

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People fleeing from terror is not an invasion you close-minded bafoon

lol how did you not read that his reference to invasion was the US going in to "remove" the cartels

[Draco-Onis]

They will still have their clout, so they 'win'.

Nah they would basically become the US equivalent of the pharmaceutical industry with everything legal and above board though still dirty. The Mexican government would get tons of revenue and their hold on power would weaken significantly, the clout they have now is much worse than what they would have in a legal system.

[breadisfunny]

We do that and it's an invasion. Which would somehow provoke even more international hatemail than doing this weird shit called "enforcing our laws"

the u.s. has the power behind it to ignore internationial law. it's time we exercise it. show the cartels what a real war is.

[PACOX]

Nah they would basically become the US equivalent of the pharmaceutical industry with everything legal and above board though still dirty. The Mexican government would get tons of revenue and their hold on power would weaken significantly, the clout they have now is much worse than what they would have in a legal system.

Pharmaceutical companies have tons of leverage though. Especially when they have no morals. See US pharmaceutical industry.

[Socialhealer]

So people want the Mexican goverment to start producing coke and meth legally to fight cartels?
Jesus christ...

The cartels would just be like, thanks ill be taking over this operation now.

epic plan increase the supply of drugs for the cartels.

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Nah they would basically become the US equivalent of the pharmaceutical industry with everything legal and above board though still dirty. The Mexican government would get tons of revenue and their hold on power would weaken significantly, the clout they have now is much worse than what they would have in a legal system.

The cartels run mexico, you start producing more drugs they'll take those from the mexican govt and sell them. govt won't see a penny.

[TigTone]

At the moment, the only way I can see this end quickly and with little death as possible is by having each cartel become legit businesses.

By Mexico legalizing all drugs.

It’s horrible to give them a free pass to become business but I think more lives will be saved in the long run.

In Exchange to become business and a free pass they would have to give up all their weapons.

[Vash The Stampede]

At the moment, the only way I can see this end quickly and with little death as possible is by having each cartel become legit businesses.

By Mexico legalizing all drugs.

It’s horrible to give them a free pass to become business but I think more lives will be saved in the long run.

In Exchange to become business and a free pass they would have to give up all their weapons.

Rather than blaming the Mexican government or the cartels I say we should blame Americans. They're fighting for our money after all. Too many Americans are buying their drugs and we need to do something about it. I don't mean something like a Ronald Reagan "War on Drugs" thing as that didn't work, but we need to deal with the high levels of stress Americans currently have, because that's why we buy their drugs. Americans today are so stressed out that we take all the drugs.

We need to change the life style of Americans like less work days and more pay. A Universal Health Care system that'll not only relieve their financial stress but also treat their mental health. Maybe even establish a UBI. It really sucks for Mexico, but it's also sucking for Americans as well. Legalizing drugs might fix one problem, but it'll create new problems and make old problems worse. Fix the stress.

[D3thray]

The only way something this organized and powerful exists is thru local support. If the cartels are providing for locals in a way government can’t or won’t, then you have in effect a shadow government. It’s a brutal lesson of the fundamental principle of law and order; a law is only a law if it can be enforced. Clearly there are large portions of the Mexican population upon which the laws cannot be enforced or upon whom the laws are enforced unequally. Regardless of outside pressures such as the US illicit drug market, Cartels don’t exist on this scale without a complete breakdown of executive enforcement of rule of law.

[Draco-Onis]

Pharmaceutical companies have tons of leverage though. Especially when they have no morals. See US pharmaceutical industry.

I know but cartels are much worse in Mexico.

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ThyThe cartels run mexico, you start producing more drugs they'll take those from the mexican govt and sell them. govt won't see a penny.

They run parts of Mexico and the only reason they have power is because of the illegality of drugs also without having to put resources towards the drug trade the government would have room for other things to focus on. You won't be producing more just taxing and legalizing it making the illegal trade far less profitable.

[Socialhealer]

They run parts of Mexico and the only reason they have power is because of the illegality of drugs also without having to put resources towards the drug trade the government would have room for other things to focus on. You won't be producing more just taxing and legalizing it making the illegal trade far less profitable.

The cartels mostly sell drugs abroad, this would require it to be legal in the other countries, just mexico legalising it means the cartels produce it, pay zero taxes, then smuggle it out the country. Where does the Mexican govt make a single penny?

If you start producing it you're in direct competition with the cartels, who the fuck has the balls to do that? whoever it is won't have those balls for long.

As for only running parts of mexico, go ahead start producing drugs in the parts they don't run, sounds like a good meeting for the cartels on where to expand their business.

[Draco-Onis]

The cartels mostly sell drugs abroad, this would require it to be legal in the other countries, just mexico legalising it means the cartels produce it, pay zero taxes, then smuggle it out the country. Where does the Mexican govt make a single penny?

If you start producing it you're in direct competition with the cartels, who the fuck has the balls to do that? whoever it is won't have those balls for long.

As for only running parts of mexico, go ahead start producing drugs in the parts they don't run, sounds like a good meeting for the cartels on where to expand their business.

Actually you just need one country to legalize it the US and you already have competition for the cartels it's called big pharma. At the moment they have a symbiotic relationship big pharma gets them hooked cartels supply them until they are dead having them compete changes the game. If the US and Mexico were to legalize, tax and regulate the drug trade instead of fighting it cartels will die out.

[Wilfire]

Step 1. sell Mexico to China.
Step 2. watch the cartels get turned into mincemeat.

You need a strong hand to deal with bullshit like this. Xi has the strongest hand in the world.