Is the Horde council going to fail?

[Zuben]

It'll last for the time being, but it certainly won't be interesting.

[MatadorMedia]

The Horde always fails; that's kind of their thing.

[Weatherwax]

In the EU we never get things done because you need like 38 votes to agree with something.

Don’t we need a president like the VS to get anything done or will we become the EU and only talk talk and have 0 actions.

Of course it will, they need a thread to pull another faction war in like 2 or 4 years.

[Nathreim]

Of course it will. It wont be popular among the Horde fan base so Blizz will have to change it up again.

Same thing is why Garrosh became a villain instead of the hero he was originally intended to be. He just wasn't very popular until ironically the end of MoP.

[Mehrunes]

Right. Cause they can't just have Golden write another Horde leader in.

Resurrected Uther?

[KrakHed]

Of course it will. It wont be popular among the Horde fan base so Blizz will have to change it up again.

Same thing is why Garrosh became a villain instead of the hero he was originally intended to be. He just wasn't very popular until ironically the end of MoP.

Blizzard deliberately engineered Garrosh to be unpopular. He has exactly one moment in which he's portrayed with unambiguous positivity. ONE.

Most of his portrayals were extremely negative and made him look incompetent. He might have had a lot of room to grow, but most people weren't going to like him until he did some of that growing. And he didn't.

[Nathreim]

Blizzard deliberately engineered Garrosh to be unpopular. He has exactly one moment in which he's portrayed with unambiguous positivity. ONE.

Most of his portrayals were extremely negative and made him look incompetent. He might have had a lot of room to grow, but most people weren't going to like him until he did some of that growing. And he didn't.

No they didnt. He was meant to be have a heroic arc they even admitted it.

"And that son was Garrosh. So with that, we're like okay, we're going to do this, we're not going to just do this lightly, he's not going to just be some throwaway, he's Hellscream's kid. We're going to make him something legendary. He's going to have a fate, and there is destiny here, and we just need to figure out what that destiny is.

And originally, it was a much more heroic, redemptive arc for him, that would have potentially ended up with a strong Hellscream leader."


https://www.engadget.com/2014/11/11/...4oV-tK2BZJwkQ4

Thats why in early Cata some things show him in a positive light like The Shattering, Heart of War, and Stonetalon. It was all stuff written for a Garrosh that was ment to grow into a hero.

We see the same disconnected story elements in BFA where the cinematic was written early on before Metzen left. The story was changed afterwards which left the players (and Metzen himself ) saying WTF!?!?

[Logwyn]

Can only fail if they stop trying.

It will be a better story for Thrall and Anduin to rise. They should unite behind the powers of the Tri-Force, Matrix of Leadership, and the One Ring. Then rise as the greatest superhero robot Thraduin guardian of the universe and under-verse.

They should get bonus points if they get them to ride a dog-dragon.

[BananaHandsB]

Well it really doesn't make sense to try and "predict" a fictional story. Guess is a better word. It's just up to the writers, they can do what they want, we just have to wait and see what they chose to do. But regardless, it's a much more interesting development than just promoting another character to warchief. Adding a new form of government to the story will add a new layer to the story and development of the horde as a whole, which I'm excited to see where they go.

[GreenJesus]

No they didnt. He was meant to be have a heroic arc they even admitted it.

"And that son was Garrosh. So with that, we're like okay, we're going to do this, we're not going to just do this lightly, he's not going to just be some throwaway, he's Hellscream's kid. We're going to make him something legendary. He's going to have a fate, and there is destiny here, and we just need to figure out what that destiny is.

And originally, it was a much more heroic, redemptive arc for him, that would have potentially ended up with a strong Hellscream leader."


https://www.engadget.com/2014/11/11/...4oV-tK2BZJwkQ4

Thats why in early Cata some things show him in a positive light like The Shattering, Heart of War, and Stonetalon. It was all stuff written for a Garrosh that was ment to grow into a hero.

We see the same disconnected story elements in BFA where the cinematic was written early on before Metzen left. The story was changed afterwards which left the players (and Metzen himself ) saying WTF!?!?

Yeh Garrosh was supposed to be the one to lead the Horde into the future. Fucking Afrasiabi and his bullshit.

[Darkeon]

X will happen. X will be benefitial to a positive story-telling experience towards the Alliance. Horde is clearly on the backseat when it comes to the actual writting team.

[TheRevenantHero]

Considering the council is comprised of an Alliance lapdog(Baine), the mopey green jesus, a traitor(Lor'themar), a nightborne mage that's just kind of there, a goblin who agreed to it because money, and only one individual who has thoroughly kept with Horde identity(Rokhan), I see the council either being a failure or ending the faction war as the Horde just becomes an Alliance vassal state.

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Can only fail if they stop trying.

It will be a better story for Thrall and Anduin to rise. They should unite behind the powers of the Tri-Force, Matrix of Leadership, and the One Ring. Then rise as the greatest superhero robot Thraduin guardian of the universe and under-verse.

They should get bonus points if they get them to ride a dog-dragon.

This is both the worst and best idea ever.

[Kokolums]

It will all start with a trade dispute....

The Roman Senate is a great example. Over the centuries, its power waxed and waned depending upon if a strong executive existed to usurp them. Its end came when the Ostrogoth leader Theodahad executed most of them in 552 with most of the rest fleeing to Constantinople. It technically got restored but mostly as a zombie senate and not really recognized by the Eastern empire any longer. The last recorded act of the senate was building a statue of the emperor in 603. Then it faded away. In 630, the senate building was converted into a church. Italy had become a colony of Constantinople at best or barbarian lands at worst.

[Carmion]

Next Horde raid boss - COUNCIL FIGHT!

[Logwyn]

Considering the council is comprised of an Alliance lapdog(Baine), the mopey green jesus, a traitor(Lor'themar), a nightborne mage that's just kind of there, a goblin who agreed to it because money, and only one individual who has thoroughly kept with Horde identity(Rokhan), I see the council either being a failure or ending the faction war as the Horde just becomes an Alliance vassal state.

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This is both the worst and best idea ever.

Woot! Wooot!

[Artelia]

I think "noting lasts" is actually more than something Sylvanas just throw at us like rotten apple. It can be something that actually happen.

[KrakHed]

No they didnt. He was meant to be have a heroic arc they even admitted it.

Yes they did. Let me explain.

Yes, Garrosh had some set up for a heroic arc. That much is about 75% true. But this arc was rooted in Garrosh being a failure of a leader at the start who would grow into that role. He was meant to be viewed negatively, but become a more positive character over time. His ascension to Warchief was paired with him killing Cairne in part due to his own ignorance of Orcish culture, despite how some people saw him as a "true orc", with his father worship being depicted as borderline delusional and his plans to destroy the Alliance as excessive. He was depicted as a rude, crude, brute who constantly failed.

The twist is that Stonetalon showed us a Garrosh who learned. A Garrosh who could become less of a fuck up, who could learn to tone things down. In Stonetalon, he was supposed to learn mercy or something.

He was made to become popular over time, not start out that way. But because they didn't actually play out his story arc, he turned out the way he did.

[Nynax]

The Roman Senate is a great example. Over the centuries, its power waxed and waned depending upon if a strong executive existed to usurp them. Its end came when the Ostrogoth leader Theodahad executed most of them in 552 with most of the rest fleeing to Constantinople. It technically got restored but mostly as a zombie senate and not really recognized by the Eastern empire any longer. The last recorded act of the senate was building a statue of the emperor in 603. Then it faded away. In 630, the senate building was converted into a church. Italy had become a colony of Constantinople at best or barbarian lands at worst.

I was referencing Star Wars: episode one, haha. But thank you for the history lesson! I did not know any of that.

I think my school education of Rome can be summed up as "They had neat ideas, they built cool stuff. Then they got too big, and everything changed when the barbarians organized."

[Trassk]

Councils not even been formed yet, and already emotional hurt crybabies want it to collapse

[Darknessvamp]

How will it fail if all it's members have no beef with one and other?
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Apart from Baine. He is a burger incarnate.