Poll: Rate the movie STAR WARS™: The Rise of Skywalker™

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  1. #1841
    That trailer was a severe disappointment.

    I already was just going to wait for a good quality torrent to watch as I can't give any more money to them, but I'm really not phased whether I see it or not either way

  2. #1842
    Rumor and speculation has it that Rey is Palpatines granddaughter. Now imagine if she turns evil and Kylo has to kill her off at the end. They could show that she is related to Palpatine. Also might watch to see if Ewan Mcgregor makes an appearance. So far it doesn't show him on the cast lists. But they could be hiding that. Mark Hamil is already part of the cast so might be in some flash backs or jedi ghost form. But gonna be glad this trainwreck is finally over with.

    Mod edit: please put rumors, leaks, etc, in spoiler tags.
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  3. #1843
    At this point, the PR for the Star Wars movies feels a bit like how politicians try to work people: they put in the bare minimum and throw in a few highlights that they think their base wants to hear, but in the end they don't really care as they figure their base will show up regardless with the little lip service given and provide them money/power that the politicians crave.

    If we're talking specifically about the trailers, the most recent one is very meh while throwing in enough stuff to say it's a Star Wars film. Hey look, it's characters you know! Ooo, I bet your recognize those lightsabers and voice overs and phrases! Shiny new destinations! Lots of different ships! ...but in summation, a whole lot of nothing with no inspiration of excitement. However, it didn't have to be that way. I'm going to give a huge benefit of the doubt that the PR department behind the trailers wants to leak as little or no plot in the trailers, and that's admittedly hard. Be that as it may, they failed at making the trailer amount to anything that a non-sycophant of Star Wars would want to see. If they wanted to see examples of trailers that have little/no content from the film in them while hyping up audiences for their films, they should've asked Marvel.

    Maybe it all has been a super clever subversion of expectations to where we've wanted to have a new Star Wars trilogy, but by the end of this run we realize we didn't since this has been the result. Doesn't help that TLJ ends on such a bad note with no setup leading or teasing into the next film that we have zero idea nor interest in what happens next. Still, I may be willing to give Ep 9 a shot on a matinee discount day, but everything surrounding this trilogy and the decision-making involved has set my expectations really low. The only reason these films have even made the money that have is purely because there's a Star Wars and Episode label on them.

    I have to say I'm with others that I want this trilogy to be over, which is rather sad to think. The TV series look more promising than Ep 9, so I guess there's that.
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  4. #1844
    The leak just basically confirmed everything
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

  5. #1845
    That's a whole lot of words to say it was a trailer doing what trailers do - establish a connection, but not give too much away. In this case, the connection is nostalgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    The leak just basically confirmed everything
    Not particularly. But like I said, the trailer by itself is worrying enough.

  6. #1846
    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    Does anyone else watch a SW trailer and just say "meh?" I don't know whether it's because it's the new shit trilogy, poor directing of it, or what.
    I wasn't excited to see TFA but the trailer for it was pretty cool. Otherwise, I couldn't care less when a SW trailer starts playing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Yeah, the C3PO scene seems to match up with it pretty closely.


    It was a good trailer, loved the arrangement of the main theme, good visuals. I just don't give a fuck about any of these characters unfortunately.
    Feels weird for C3PO to be calling the Sequel Trilogy cast his "friends" when the story so far has taken place over the course of maybe a single week. The OT cast were together for the several years that the OT took place.

  7. #1847
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    That's a whole lot of words to say it was a trailer doing what trailers do - establish a connection, but not give too much away. In this case, the connection is nostalgia.

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    Not particularly. But like I said, the trailer by itself is worrying enough.
    If any of it is true, especially the character fake deaths (C3-P0 & Chewie) with only two being true (Leia and Ben) this will be the worst SW movie along with the Last Jedi especially with the shit ending.
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  8. #1848
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    If any of it is true, especially the character fake deaths (C3-P0 & Chewie) with only two being true (Leia and Ben) this will be the worst SW movie along with the Last Jedi especially with the shit ending.
    Abrams has no creativity in him but he's not setting out to trash the franchise like Johnson did. I don't think TRoS will be TLJ tier bad but it definitely won't be higher than a 4/10.

  9. #1849
    I can't believe that the Force Awakens will be the only good/decent movie out of this little sequel trilogy thingy shit flop. I just want to see Luke catch his Lightsaber as it should have been done in 7
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

  10. #1850
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    I can't believe that the Force Awakens will be the only good/decent movie out of this little sequel trilogy thingy shit flop.
    I can't believe we live in a world where a Star Wars film flopped and the fans don't want more Star Wars movies!

  11. #1851
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I can't believe we live in a world where a Star Wars film flopped and the fans don't want more Star Wars movies!
    I have yet to watch The Last Jedi. Been meaning to watch it, but word of mouth has got me worried.

    Just how bad of a trainwreck is it?

    Kinda sad, I did kinda like TFA though. The trailer? Huge meh from me.

  12. #1852
    Quote Originally Posted by RampageBW1 View Post
    I have yet to watch The Last Jedi. Been meaning to watch it, but word of mouth has got me worried.

    Just how bad of a trainwreck is it?
    It's not a technically terrible film like Battlefield Earth. The problem is that it completely trashes the heritage of Star Wars. It trashes Luke Skywalker as a character. It trashes the meaning of the Force. It trashes the themes of the prior six Star Wars films that people revered. It has no compelling story as it makes a complete joke out of the characters, and so on. The director of TLJ, Rian Johnson, did not consult Abrams before making TLJ, and there was no outline of the trilogy written beforehand to follow. Rian went out of his way to shit on what made the franchise so beloved.





    If you are interested in an indepth, scene by scene breakdown of TLJ, I strongly suggest you watch (or listen to in the car while driving) the Anti-Trekker's breakdown of TLJ.


  13. #1853
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    It trashes the meaning of the Force.
    In what way does TLJ trash the meanings of the force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RampageBW1 View Post
    I have yet to watch The Last Jedi. Been meaning to watch it, but word of mouth has got me worried.

    Just how bad of a trainwreck is it?

    Kinda sad, I did kinda like TFA though. The trailer? Huge meh from me.
    It’s pretty much a decent Mabye even good movie for like 2/10 of it. The luke rey and Kylo stuff holds up quite well as long as your not expecting luke to be some god and actually payed attention to his character in the originals instead of white washing away all the times he struggled with keeping to the light side.

    The other 8/10 of the movie is Some filler crap about the rebels which is awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Feels weird for C3PO to be calling the Sequel Trilogy cast his "friends" when the story so far has taken place over the course of maybe a single week. The OT cast were together for the several years that the OT took place.
    The time line is most likely more like a month. Both phasma and rey have little adventures between movies with phasma’s Probably spanning about a week and Rey’s a few days plus how ever long she spent on the island with luke which isn’t all shown in the movie.

  14. #1854
    TLJ is definitely a divisive movie. I liked it a lot because it did explore new arcs in this universe.

    I don't think it trashed old characters at all. Most of the rage is about Luke, as if the man can't change from where he was in RotJ based on events that happened off-screen. It often comes off as whining, to me, from fans who can't accept that Luke isn't this shining force he was in RotJ any more. Call me what you want, but Luke is more dynamic now, as a character, because of TLJ. He had his moment of "doubt and shame" and it affected the lives of the people around him.

    Cinematography is great, the technical aspects of directing are great. I personally like the character choices. The weak part is obvious the B story on the casino planet. That whole arc kind of struck me like Rian Johnson wanted to make a character-driven movie only about Luke, Kylo, and Rey, but was told he had to have a story for Finn, Poe, etc.

  15. #1855
    A few symptoms of TLJ:

    • 45 seconds into the film you know it's going to be bad when Poe prank calls General Hux.
    • Admiral Ackbar unceremoniously killed off.
    • Leia survives being on the bridge of a ship that got blown up and then flies back into the ship like she's Mary Poppins.
    • Atrocious leadership from Leia and Holdo is presented as "good" and Poe is demonized for rightfully calling out bad leadership.
    • Anvillicious aesop about rich people being bad.
    • Finn and Poe free race animals over liberating enslaved children.
    • Finn's sacrifice that would save the Resistance is interrupted by Rose for no reason whatsoever. "Not fighting what we hate by saving we love" HE WAS SAVING WHAT HE LOVED YOU DUMBASS AND NOW HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE DIED BECAUSE OF YOUR STUPID COLLISION!!!
    • Luke's paragon character that everyone respected and was the climax of his character arc in the OT is thrown away for "subversion". The man who risked his life to save his Father who was VERY DEFINITELY EVIL AND MURDERED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE now all of the suddenly attempts to murder his nephew over a bad dream.
    • Snoke is unceremoniously killed off without any explanation as to who he was or why he targeted Kylo.
    • Luke unceremoniously dies having never left exile.
    • Rey doesn't undergo any training whatsoever and is rewarded for using what in the first six films would be called "The Dark Side".
    • Rey singlehandedly wins after everything on her first try, including saving the Resistance by casually lifting 100 tons of rock without any training whatsoever.

  16. #1856
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    TLJ is definitely a divisive movie. I liked it a lot because it did explore new arcs in this universe.

    I don't think it trashed old characters at all. Most of the rage is about Luke, as if the man can't change from where he was in RotJ based on events that happened off-screen. It often comes off as whining, to me, from fans who can't accept that Luke isn't this shining force he was in RotJ any more. Call me what you want, but Luke is more dynamic now, as a character, because of TLJ. He had his moment of "doubt and shame" and it affected the lives of the people around him.

    Cinematography is great, the technical aspects of directing are great. I personally like the character choices. The weak part is obvious the B story on the casino planet. That whole arc kind of struck me like Rian Johnson wanted to make a character-driven movie only about Luke, Kylo, and Rey, but was told he had to have a story for Finn, Poe, etc.
    Agreed, the Luke storyline was fine, it was apt given what we knew in Force Awakens. If someone had just pushed for a shorter script it could have worked. Finn and Poe needed their storylines merged into something frankly different than either ended up being. Adding Rose and Admiral Laura Dern to the mix would have still played out fine, those characters were great, the stories they plugged into were the weak part.

  17. #1857
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    TLJ is definitely a divisive movie. I liked it a lot because it did explore new arcs in this universe.

    I don't think it trashed old characters at all. Most of the rage is about Luke, as if the man can't change from where he was in RotJ based on events that happened off-screen. It often comes off as whining, to me, from fans who can't accept that Luke isn't this shining force he was in RotJ any more. Call me what you want, but Luke is more dynamic now, as a character, because of TLJ. He had his moment of "doubt and shame" and it affected the lives of the people around him.

    Cinematography is great, the technical aspects of directing are great. I personally like the character choices. The weak part is obvious the B story on the casino planet. That whole arc kind of struck me like Rian Johnson wanted to make a character-driven movie only about Luke, Kylo, and Rey, but was told he had to have a story for Finn, Poe, etc.
    I liked many of the ideas they had for the direction the movie could take, but the execution of most of them was horrible. A dire situation where ressources are in short supply? Cool idea! That's new-ish. But then you have the laughably stupid chase scene that makes no sense whatsoever. And people constanly leaving and arriving at the chased ships. A character critical of the military industrial complex in star wars (which must be huge)? Sweet. But do we need a monologue about you and your horsies now? Your friends in the resistence are literally hours away of being murdered. Prioritize, woman. Save resistance first, and slave children later.

    And why is everybody so stupid? Why park the ship at the beach? Land it at the city, noone is looking for you. You're there legally! Why is the First Order so inept? And why are they screaming all the time? Why do they have a laser-battering ram?

    I need to stop talking about this movie, it'll give me a stroke.

    As for the new trailer: It has me worried that we'll be getting an extremely cheesy way over the top finale. I hope I am wrong.

    Edit: Also,

    That's Star Wars Rebels 'Ghost' right next to the Falcon, at 1:00 in the Trailer. A few other familiar ships aswell.

    Last edited by Skulltaker; 2019-10-22 at 07:27 AM.

  18. #1858
    Can I just say... the riding scene is fucking ridiculous?

  19. #1859
    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    Can I just say... the riding scene is fucking ridiculous?
    I can't get it out of my head...

    they weren't unicorns right? I thought i saw horn but i thought i saw two. please tell me there were two horns...
    No sense crying over spilt beer, unless you're drunk...

  20. #1860
    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    Can I just say... the riding scene is fucking ridiculous?
    Yes, and it has me somewhat worried that we'll get an over the top finale. The rest looks decent, though, so... eh. How bad can it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    I can't get it out of my head...

    they weren't unicorns right? I thought i saw horn but i thought i saw two. please tell me there were two horns...
    No, they are more like a Llama-Boar hybrid. They have two small pointy ears upwards, which is what you probably thought were horns, and curved tusks and a long flat face like a kind of boar or warthog.

    I'm starting to think that this entire sequence actually isn't reality, but in someones head. In the mind of Rey and the Emperor, or something. The Star Destroyers are the manifastation of the Emperors will in some kind of Force-Dream-Limbo, while the riders and the rag-tag fleet of ships are the projections of Rey and company, which would explain why we see some ships from the past and the 'old' Millenium Falcon. That's why we have riders on top of a Star Destroyer. So the big finale will be some kind of Battle of the W(h)ills.
    Last edited by Skulltaker; 2019-10-22 at 12:27 PM.

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