So, you're just going to state there are no bigger individualist than the Chinese people and then go nuh-uh when someone points to things that are pretty contradictory to individualism?
It's not some fancy words, it's a thing that's an intrinsic part of the social fabric in countries here.
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Hmm, odd. It shows up in Avskildhet's quote, at least for me (and seems to have loaded for her too). You can check for images of the Michigan Fish Test, and perhaps link an alternate image.The image doesn't work, browser acts all wonky when trying to go to the link as well stating it's a security threat.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha .... empathy from America .... hahahahaahahhahaha
man, i can't, stop it... hahaahhaahahahahahahahaha...oh God....my abs hurt....
The delusion is strong with this one.
Going back to original question, my bet is propaganda and something to do with communism.
What they do is not worse than what KSA is doing in Yemen, or Israel to Palestine, but you will see no pitchforks holding Americans marching there and burning flags, do you?
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Because democracy is generally good and police state totalitarianism is generally bad. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept?
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
No, you don't. Personal freedoms isn't some goal to chase if it comes at the cost of stability in society. You want the world to be carbon copies of your countries, the sheer arrogance in this is laughable.
You have the highest living standards in the world because you exploited other countries for your own gain and oppressed the population in these countries, including mine. Spare me the talk about personal freedoms. You poisoned the lands here, you have caused millions to suffer. So much for the personal freedoms you say is valued by western countries, it's nothing but an attempt to subjugate people to your will, once again.
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Tell me more about how Baltics exploit others
Or is my avatar enough to make you assume I am one of those responsible for your... issues...?
Personal freedom should be a goal. Unless you really, really want to be that cog pressed down by some pseudo communist regime. Humans are not robots.
By all means, explain how Americans don't have empathy.
You talk like no one has a problem with KSA or Israel.Going back to original question, my bet is propaganda and something to do with communism.
What they do is not worse than what KSA is doing in Yemen, or Israel to Palestine, but you will see no pitchforks holding Americans marching there and burning flags, do you?
And "pitchfork holding Americans?" What good would it do anyone to go over there and protest?
Looks to me like you broadly invoked "the West" and were answered on that point. Don't try to hide behind another identity now to deflect, her points stand.Originally Posted by Easo
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
When I make that argument, I'll send you a memo. @Katie N replied to a specific assertion:Originally Posted by Elegiac
Her reply was fundamentally:Originally Posted by Easo
And in further explanation she mentioned some inconvenient history to how "the West" got to where they are now.Originally Posted by Katie N
So, do you see the words "liberal democratic government" anywhere in there?
Like it or not, in many cases flat out imperialism was part of what built the fortunes of several prominent European countries in particular.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
Honestly, only the people on the internet who want to pay attention to this is giving HK any thought. The general American public really doesn't give two shits.
Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.
Well, yes, I involved the West. Baltics are not there, unfortunetaly, but it is something we mostly aspire to and have been trying to get to ever since regaining independence.
Her/his/it's point, imho (do note that it is my opinion), is nothing more than the good old "its their culture" excuse we have seen oh so many times.
Fair enough, with the exception being that in her case it is her culture, but why do you dismiss that out of hand? When it comes to plants and animals, one of the arguments against just ignoring extinctions is that we lose options. Through study, we can see how they evolved to fit certain situations and may be able to find things that will help us.Originally Posted by Easo
Democracy has its roots in small populations, Eastern cultures adapted to fit large populations early on. Some say that this is one reason Eastern cultures in general display particular characteristics that tend to focus more on groups and social connections. From her reply, you can see that she has raised social stability as an issue between the two styles, and a lack of social stability seems to be very much an issue in NA/EU news.
Europe went through a period where elder sons inherited and the younger sons either got a fraction of something or they had to go out to make their fortunes. For awhile, "out" was "the New World" or Australia. Those places are now filling in and populations are rising. Today, democracy is in much of "the West" some form of compromise such as representative democracy. In several countries it still has vestiges of feudalism. As populations rise, it looks to me that we're seeing Western countries adopting measures that are quite similar to things being done in the East, we just put our own spin on them to make them more palatable to us.
Why not let Asia work out their own solutions? Taiwan today is in a better situation than it once was, but one doesn't have to go very far back to see a pretty strong authoritarian streak. It is a work in progress, who knows how it will end up? Some things will work out, some things may fail, but it goes somewhat along the lines of a common point about free speech -- that if it means anything, it also means protecting unpopular opinions.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
So?Originally Posted by szechuan
So did the Kurds. The answer they got was some muddle of how they weren't there to help us during Normandy and how we never promised to protect them. Hong Kong is larger than the protest movement, and there are also counter protesters who oppose the protesters demands. It is a matter for HK to sort out, not something for the US to get involved in -- no more than foreign governments need to be getting involved in manipulating the US political process, and no more than China should get involved in the Hawaii sovereignty movement.
More to the point, you've injected a very narrow point that has plenty of other active thread, into a discussion that isn't about the riots in HK. How about leaving HK to the HK threads, particularly since some of us were having a broader discussion of "East" and "West". No need to derail it.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
I disagree, HK protesters asked for help and therefore they're going to get it.
That's because what you seem to be describing are Illegal and undermines American Democracy, and Foreign Governments are already involved with the United States in some way shape and form.no more than foreign governments need to be getting involved in manipulating the US political process
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A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.
Christians are Forced Birth Fascists against Human Rights who indoctrinate and groom children. Prove me wrong.