[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[ranzino]

Yeah I had very little to contribute but is there a reason VdL wouldn't work?

technically vdL, because the term starts with 2 small letters.

UvdL then ? looks silly

[Teleros]

This is actually pretty depressing...

https://www.politico.eu/article/poll...brexit-result/

Pretty good result if you ask me. Hopefully it'll scare a few of the scumbags in Parliament out of their treasonous opposition to Brexit.

Indeed, he has quite some ambitions to reform and push the EU forward. Being singled out as the one who caused no deal would burn political capital and goodwill he will badly need later on.

Would it though? I would have thought that everyone would breathe a sigh of relief, especially as with the UK gone, Macron would likely face less opposition to his plans.

So if the UK gets an extension for more than a couple of weeks, Von der Leyen (we need an abbreviation for her) will insist that the UK nominate a commissioner. What kind of commission would they even have . . .

We should start by nominating Nigel Farage - and letting it be known right now that that's our plan. Should do wonders for increasing resistance to an extension ...

Casual reminder to anyone who doesn't remember that an MP was literally murdered by a schizophrenic for opposing Brexit.

FTFY.

BTW, why is it all these shooters and such have a history of mental illness?

[shimerra]

Pretty good result if you ask me. Hopefully it'll scare a few of the scumbags in Parliament out of their treasonous opposition to Brexit.


Would it though? I would have thought that everyone would breathe a sigh of relief, especially as with the UK gone, Macron would likely face less opposition to his plans.


We should start by nominating Nigel Farage - and letting it be known right now that that's our plan. Should do wonders for increasing resistance to an extension ...


FTFY.

BTW, why is it all these shooters and such have a history of mental illness?

Well you're not exactly winning the smarts lottery if you don't see the issues with Brexit, particularly a no deal. I'd love to see chicken shit Farage get nominated. He'd probably be an even bigger joke than Johnson. The only thing treasonous are fuckwads like yourself supporting the violence.

I can't wait until all the Brexiteer's get a nice hard lesson at what a terrible negotiating position they've put themselves in. Your loss is America's gain.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Diane abott continues to be worst of all time tier, a disaster of an MP. What dies Corbyn see in it.

"it"? No sooner do we see the result of a survey that shows that people are willing to inflict violence on MPs to get their way, than we get a post like this. A little sprinkle of dehumanising, a touch of racism. Maybe a slight flavour of misogyny? Please do us all a favour and take this kind of vapid posting somewhere else.

[Kronik85]

"it"? No sooner do we see the result of a survey that shows that people are willing to inflict violence on MPs to get their way, than we get a post like this. A little sprinkle of dehumanising, a touch of racism. Maybe a slight flavour of misogyny? Please do us all a favour and take this kind of vapid posting somewhere else.

She's pretty damn gaffe prone. Normally I'd be harsh about it but considering the quality of her peers across all parties I somehow doubt that she's the worst of the worst.

[dribbles]

We'll try explaining it again, since you seem to struggle with any concept more complex than "hide the nose".

An election puts a party into power for 5 years. To run every aspect of the country; the economy, education, health and so on. It isn't just about Brexit, no matter how much you hold your breath and scweam and scweam and scweam. Just because this is the only thought you can hold in your brain at one time, it doesn't mean it's everyone elses.

There are people sitting on zero hours contracts, paralysed with fear at the insecurity of their lives. They want to get a government that will help them. There are people struggling with the new benefits system, they want a government that will care about their struggles. People going to food banks to survive want a government that will give them their dignity back. People that see their schools being sold off to private concerns against their wishes want to roll back the Academy system and return to an education system that isn't seen as a get-rich quick scheme for some.

And some people want to see the creeping privatisation of the NHS stopped, and indeed reversed.

If we go ahead with the form of Brexit you want, we are going to be facing an economy moving backwards, and a government stuck in multiple years of negotiations with entities far more powerful than they are trying to get deals to fix some of it. There won't be the governmental bandwidth to fix all the things that need fixing, because Brexit will still be having an impact when I'm safely retired and possibly even when I'm dead. And there will be less money to fix things even if we wanted to.

So no, the next election won't just be about Brexit. You want to know what people think about that, and only that? Have a referendum. One that this time is between two actual choices, rather than one actual choice and a hole where a choice should be that morons like Farage filled with whatever the fuck they wanted.

And last point of all; don't give me a single word about "chickens" when your dreams are held in the hands of the most spineless person in the country. Any time Boris needs to stand up for something he pretended to believe in, he vanishes like the slippery turd he is. It doesn't matter whether it's runways, Brexit dates or his own children; he's never met any challenge he isn't prepared to run away from. Just like virtually all of the Brexit crew have run away from responsibility for sorting this mess out for the last three years.

You want chickens? Look in your own coop. Brexit supporters are scared of foreigners, responsibility, democracry and most laws. Throwing insults like that around is rank hypocrisy.

Yeah, nice fluffy unicorn manifesto you have there, shame the voters are not buying it. See yesterdays local...

Torksey (West Lindsey) result:

CON: 35.7% (-22.9)
LDEM: 32.6% (-8.8)
BREX: 28.2% (+28.2)
LAB: 3.5% (+3.5)

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...94716445429760

Don't tell me that local election was about how many traffic wardens work on a Sunday and the Brexit Party offered the right local solution for local people? No of course not, you are being ridiculous. That local election was purely about Brexit, just as the GE will be.

And once again as in the local election so will be the case in a general election, remainers lost. Nice Enid Blyton fairy tale fiction on your part though, but remain winning is as far away as the faraway tree in reality.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Yeah, nice fluffy unicorn manifesto you have there, shame the voters are not buying it. See yesterdays local...

Torksey (West Lindsey) result:

CON: 35.7% (-22.9)
LDEM: 32.6% (-8.8)
BREX: 28.2% (+28.2)
LAB: 3.5% (+3.5)

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...94716445429760

Don't tell me that local election was about how many traffic wardens work on a Sunday and the Brexit Party offered the right local solution for local people? No of course not, you are being ridiculous. That local election was purely about Brexit, just as the GE will be.

And once again as in the local election so will be the case in a general election, remainers lost. Nice Enid Blyton fairy tale fiction on your part though, but remain winning is as far away as the faraway tree in reality.

And in todays episode of "dribbles misses the point" we see him try to talk about how wonderful the election is going to be by pointing to where a rock solid safe Tory seat was damn near handed over to the Lib Dems by the Brexit party splitting their vote.

Brexit party supporters may only have one thing on their mind; because of lot of them didn't vote before this got them all riled up. That doesn't mean that the rest of the country will be the same. Remember dribbles, other people can think about more than one thing at the same time.

[Demolitia]

Would it though? I would have thought that everyone would breathe a sigh of relief, especially as with the UK gone, Macron would likely face less opposition to his plans.

I really think it would. Macron opposing an extension would mean a no deal in less than a week.
In real terms that mean most EU supply chains are fucked, and much of the automotive industry and finance industry will be incredibly disrupted and no one except big firms is prepared for that. At least short term.
There will be a real cost to everyone's economy, and the blame will be put squarely on Macron.
Now imagine Macron coming back to present his grand plan to the 27, which include Spain who has to deal with a clusterfuck of British retirees and their claims to healthcare, eastern countries who are losing income from from their folks who can't do seasonal work in the UK and send cash back home, German and French industries who have to deal with logistic issues and added tariffs, and dutch shipping industry having to deal with clogged up harbors.
They all face issues and industry discontent, maybe economic downturn, and he asks them with a straight face to not only make up for the UK loss in contribution, but then add some to fund his ambitions.
Add to that the issues that might arise in the WTO, and the fact that the WTO appellate court will be disable in December because of the US, and you really get an environment were Macron will be seen as a bigger asshole than the last 3 UK prime ministers.
Thankfully the 27 agreed there would be an extension. We'll see next week for how long.
But as long as Macron is alone playing bad cop, he will never use his veto. Simply because there is too much risk involved and too little to gain. At the speed the EU moves, few to none of his proposed reforms will happen during his presidency.

[draykorinee]

"it"? No sooner do we see the result of a survey that shows that people are willing to inflict violence on MPs to get their way, than we get a post like this. A little sprinkle of dehumanising, a touch of racism. Maybe a slight flavour of misogyny? Please do us all a favour and take this kind of vapid posting somewhere else.

Mhhmm, it's all about racism and misogyny. Do us all a favour and take your offended for others posts somewhere else.

Diane abott is a complete and utter travesty of an MP, you want to get offended over pronouns, you do you.

If it's any consolation Bojo is also an it, but he's white and male so what buzzword are you going to call that?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Mhhmm, it's all about racism and misogyny. Do us all a favour and take your offended for others posts somewhere else.

Diane abott is a complete and utter travesty of an MP, you want to get offended over pronouns, you do you.

If it's any consolation Bojo is also an it, but he's white and male so what buzzword are you going to call that?

You call a human being "it" it's dehumanising. Regardless of who that person is. It was a pretty standard approach with the Nazis, and it wasn't a new idea then. If that's the best you can bring to this discussion, I would suggest you head to one of the more right-wing echo chambers. I'm sure they would be delighted with the form and content of your "thoughts".

[Jessicka]

She's pretty damn gaffe prone. Normally I'd be harsh about it but considering the quality of her peers across all parties I somehow doubt that she's the worst of the worst.

She's hopeless in front of camera no doubt, but as an actual MP that does a job, she is in fact one of the better ones.

But this is how we end up with clowns like Boris running the country, people want a fucking performing monkey at the wheel they can laugh at, not a professional who can do the job.

[Kallisto]

Guess they are waiting to see what the vote for new elections does?
If it does through, long extension. But what if it fails and the impasse continues? A short delay to try and force the UK's hand? Tobad they will just ask for another extension because they aren't resolving this as things stand.

Wouldn't be surprised if election is agreed it'll be Jan 31st. If not agreed Macron will pull the "Fuck it, give them 2 years just so they shut up." since he knows no deal hurts the French and when not talking to the French media he's been talking about 1-2 years

[Jessicka]

Wouldn't be surprised if election is agreed it'll be Jan 31st. If not agreed Macron will pull the "Fuck it, give them 2 years just so they shut up." since he knows no deal hurts the French and when not talking to the French media he's been talking about 1-2 years

Anything other than 31st Jan just makes the issue more complicated as it has to go back to Parliament to agree it. I get a sense that they don’t want to complicate things in that way.

[Kallisto]

Anything other than 31st Jan just makes the issue more complicated as it has to go back to Parliament to agree it. I get a sense that they don’t want to complicate things in that way.

Thing is outside of hardcore Tories. I don't see anyone in parliament voting down a longer extension. LD/Greens/most of labour/ SNP certainly won't. DUP are the wild card as are the kicked out tories. But there might not be enough to say no to it.

[draykorinee]

You call a human being "it" it's dehumanising. Regardless of who that person is. It was a pretty standard approach with the Nazis, and it wasn't a new idea then. If that's the best you can bring to this discussion, I would suggest you head to one of the more right-wing echo chambers. I'm sure they would be delighted with the form and content of your "thoughts".

My one hope is that if/when things do go tits up it emboldens the left and weakens the right. So while I'll sit in a shitty country on our own at least my sacrifice will not be in total vain.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure right wing echo chambers won't be delighted with an obvious left wing socialist persons content. I've spent 99% of my time attacking the Tories and white men like Johnson and Farrage in MMO-C and the one time I attack a black female the race batiers and identity politics come out, you also got the Nazis in there, good job.

Diane Abbot is dangerously stupid, to the point where she is directly responsible in part for the continued decline of the Labour party, a party I have been a lifelong voter of, she and her ilk (Again, not racial ilk, I mean terrible Labour Mps, black or other) is why we get Tory governments.

Now OT, as to the extension passed 31st Jan, I think that would pass parliament but it will embolden the Brexit party which may or many to be a net positive. Brexit party will also take votes off Labour. I guess it depends when the GE is, either way Corbyn and co will not beat the Tories, the worst government in history. Says it all about Corbyn, Abbot and co.

[draykorinee]

The whole point is because you called her an "it"....Whether you think her stupid or anything like that, you dehumanised by referring to her as "it." That's all this whole thing is.

Yeah, I should have chosen a better derogatory term, I tend to use scum of the earth for tories but I thought that a bit much.
I did find it amusing to be called right wing though.

[caervek]

Diane Abbot is dangerously stupid, to the point where she is directly responsible in part for the continued decline of the Labour party, a party I have been a lifelong voter of, she and her ilk (Again, not racial ilk, I mean terrible Labour Mps, black or other) is why we get Tory governments.

This is pretty much spot on, the media love to trash talk Corbyn however Abbot has put far more people off voting Labour then he has by multiple times. She's the only Labour MP who you can put next to any Tory MP and make them look much more competent

She is a top tier example of the danger of giving a complete halfwit a job just to meet a diversity quota xD

[dribbles]

This is pretty much spot on, the media love to trash talk Corbyn however Abbot has put far more people off voting Labour then he has by multiple times. She's the only Labour MP who you can put next to any Tory MP and make them look much more competent

She is a top tier example of the danger of giving a complete halfwit a job just to meet a diversity quota xD

Just be thankful that as long as she is in the Labour shadow cabinet Corbyn and his racist loons have no chance of power. In fact there is more chance of Nigel Farage being next PM, at least then we will have someone to represent the will of the decent people.

"The problem in Britain is not immigration. The problem in Britain is white people."
~ Diane Abbott

[Pann]

Latest Opinium poll showing the Cons on 40%!

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 40% (+3)
LAB: 24% (-)
LDEM: 15% (-1)
BREX: 10% (-2)

via @OpiniumResearch, 23 - 25 Oct
Chgs. w/ 17 Oct


https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...50296209436673

Opinium, Deltapoll and YouGov are all showing 10 point plus leads for the Cons!

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...50670135824384

British politics really is in a sorry state if voters feel that a serial liar like Johnson and his cronies are the best we have!

[Teleros]

Opinium, Deltapoll and YouGov are all showing 10 point plus leads for the Cons!

Given that in the UK we usually understate Tory support in polls*... yeah I'm not sure about Corbyn going ahead with BoJo's election plans for 12th December :P .

*Maybe not this time, because Brexit, but it's a common enough thing in polls.